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Mark Eaton
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From: Windsor, Sonoma County, CA

posted 02 January 2006 01:11 PM     profile   send email     edit
Here is an article I found on Freddie Roulette, from the Bay Area paper, Contra Costa Times. For all you NorCal lap steelers, Freddie has a few gigs coming up and I am going to try to make it to at least one of them-not sure which one.

that's "Legendary"...
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/13528623.htm

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[This message was edited by Mark Eaton on 03 January 2006 at 11:35 AM.]

Andre Nizzari
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From: Bronx, New York

posted 02 January 2006 01:26 PM     profile   send email     edit
Ah wow! I would love to see him play...he's one of my favorites! To bad he ain't around the east coast.

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HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 02 January 2006 02:40 PM     profile   send email     edit
quote:
It's light and it covers what I want to do musically.

Economy of thought and gear. Nothing else matters but the music. Wish I could catch him too.


quote:
With Country Joe McDonald and Friends.


Haven't heard that name since Woodstock back in '69, but now it's Friends.

I guess after 36 years, those Fish begin to stink....

Smiley Roberts
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From: Hendersonville,Tn. 37075

posted 02 January 2006 02:57 PM     profile   send email     edit
I have 2 albums by Freddie:

"Sweet,Funky Steel" (vinyl)
&
"Back In Chicago" (CD)

I,also,have an old 8 trk. of Charley Musselwhite,("Memphis Tennessee") which features Freddie on it. I plan on transferring it to CD.
I missed him the year he was in St. Louis. Wish I coulda been there. Hope he does it again.

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Billy Wilson
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From: El Cerrito, California, USA

posted 02 January 2006 03:13 PM     profile   send email     edit
I remember this guy with the light steel walking in to the club with his refrigerator amp!! Years ago he would also bring around an effect rack which had the most ancient pedals, creating a sound that was, well very creative. When he would turn that off and play straight blues on that steel guitar, I mean nobody could touch him. Six stringers just standin there weeping. Only problem is now you can't smoke inside in Calif. so he has lost his tradmark pipe smoking while playing steel. A true American original.
David Mason
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From: Cambridge, MD, USA

posted 02 January 2006 04:02 PM     profile   send email     edit
His tuning is listed at Brad's Page of Steel: http://www.well.com/user/wellvis/roulette.html
Mark Eaton
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From: Windsor, Sonoma County, CA

posted 02 January 2006 04:05 PM     profile   send email     edit
Yeah-Freddie had a good look goin' with the pipe-but having never been a smoker myself, after smoking about 10 cigarettes one summer in junior high and realizing that in getting past the coughing and sore throats to reach the point of enjoying it that my body was trying to tell me something-it was a great day when the law passed that no more smoking indoors in public places was allowed in California.

I always did kind of like the smell of some brands of pipe tobacco, from a distance anyway.

Billy, you're local-are you going to go to any of these upcoming Freddie gigs?

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Mark

Andy Volk
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From: Boston, MA

posted 02 January 2006 04:18 PM     profile   send email     edit
Good video footage of Freddie live in concert is available here:
http://www.rounder.com/index.php?id=album.php&catalog_id=5153

Billy Wilson
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From: El Cerrito, California, USA

posted 02 January 2006 04:52 PM     profile   send email     edit
Mark, I can't make any of those listed gigs. I really wish I could make the Baltic as it is exactly in my price range, just a couple of freeway exits down from here and doesn't have Country Joe on it. Got to agree with you about the no smoking. A real boon for all club giggers.
David Siegler
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From: Mill Valley, CA USA

posted 02 January 2006 10:14 PM     profile   send email     edit
Mark, Thanks for posting that! I will try and make the show at the Baltic Square Pub on Friday. Anyone ever been there and know what it's like?
Jesse Pearson
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From: San Diego , CA

posted 03 January 2006 12:41 AM     profile   send email     edit
I have the "Back in Chicago" CD and thought he didn't sound like he was fitting in too well with the Rhythm section. Later I read that he said he didn't get to work the songs out first like he likes to do with those guys and regreted the way the CD came out. I would like to see him live with some guys he was used to playing with. I always thought he had a cool look. Heres his tuning I got from somewhere on the net a long time ago (high A):

High
E
C#
A
E
C#
A

I don't think it's that great of a blues tuning and wonder why he uses it? In the old days down south, alot of black guys played blues on lap steels because there was alot of them around from the Hawaiian craze. I haven't heard anything by him that made me go " wow, I gotta learn that lick", lol.

Billy Wilson
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From: El Cerrito, California, USA

posted 03 January 2006 01:30 AM     profile   send email     edit
Jesse, Freddie is playing an 8 string steel and he's got a G natural in there somewhere. I think it in the string closest to the player and tuned a whole step lower than the third string. With hands as fast as his one would not need a fancy tuning. You gotta hear him on one of those nights when he is in the mood to lay down some straight up blues.
Jesse Pearson
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From: San Diego , CA

posted 03 January 2006 01:39 AM     profile   send email     edit
Yea, I know he has an 8 stringer, the 7th string is tuned to A (thats 2 A's right next to each other?) and the 8th string is tuned to G. So he has a flatted seventh on the bottom. I tried the tunning once, but didn't gel with it real fast and I play alot of blues on bottle neck.
Drew Howard
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From: Mason, MI, U.S.A.

posted 03 January 2006 07:28 AM     profile   send email     edit
I saw Freddie Roulette at one of Scotty's shows in the late '90's. Needless to say, he stood out among the crowd.

Drew

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Tom Baylis
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From: Portland, Oregon

posted 03 January 2006 08:40 AM     profile   send email     edit
Freddie joined Steve Kimock last Friday nite at the Great American Music Hall in SF for a few songs (Lucille, Sleepwalk, Whack). It's been quite a while since they've shared the stage with each other...bet it was fun.

Tom

Mark Eaton
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From: Windsor, Sonoma County, CA

posted 03 January 2006 08:54 AM     profile   send email     edit
Truth be told, I'm not that crazy about the "Back in Chicago" cd either. But I have heard some of the stuff he has done with Harvey Mandel and really liked it. If I hadn't spent so much on music stuff lately I would order that DVD from Rounder that Andy pointed out.

As I have yet to see Freddie live, I would like to go to one of the gigs. Hey Billy, I generally avoid getting off the freeway in Richmond like its the plague. Probably the roughest town in the Bay Area, I believe it has the highest crime rate. This club in the Point Richmond area, that I know has newer neigborhoods, etc.-is this in an area where you wouldn't feel hesitant about taking your wife with you to check out some music?

I may sound like the typical fearful middle class guy from the suburbs-but for you folks in other parts of the country-Richmond has a reputation out here.

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Mark

Michael Lee Allen
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From: Fresno CA USA

posted 03 January 2006 10:31 AM     profile   send email     edit
Freddie tunes and strings...
012...E
016...C#
020...A
034...E
038...C#
052...A
052...A
034...G
So it's a A7th with a doubled bass string. I had the same guitar, a National 1088 "Special Eight String Model" in the same tuning and string gauge for years. Remember to use a plastic bar and NO picks. Freddie is the coolest.
Jesse Pearson
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From: San Diego , CA

posted 03 January 2006 10:49 AM     profile   send email     edit
I didn't know the G string was higher in pitch than the A strings, good to know. Thanks...
Mark Eaton
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From: Windsor, Sonoma County, CA

posted 03 January 2006 10:53 AM     profile   send email     edit
You don't wanna mislead the troops by leaving out the part about the lead, Michael!

Here are the particulars on Freddie's bars from Andy Volk's "Lap Steel Guitar"(which I just bought a few weeks ago and it is outstanding. I have no stake in this-I have never met Andy, except through the Forum, but his book is a "must have").

"I had those specially made from an aircraft precision tool manufacturer in Oakland. It's made out of Dacron plastic. They use it out in space where you can't oil your gears. It's tough as steel-one of the toughest plastics on the market. It comes in tubes and he puts it in a cold press, pours hot lead through it, cuts it off and I get a pure lead bar covered with Dacron plastic."

"I've been using the same bar for years and there's not a nick in it. The reason for using plastic is because it's a silent bar-no noise at all. It takes the high end off and gives you a warm sound. You just kick the high end up on your amp a little bit and that's it. It's a mellow sound. He makes such good bars I haven't seen him in years (laughs)."

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Mark

Billy Wilson
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From: El Cerrito, California, USA

posted 03 January 2006 11:08 AM     profile   send email     edit
Mark, don't be shy about bringing your wife to the Baltic. Point Richmond is a groovy little tourist type place. The Baltic is a nice restaurant. Good food. Nice ambiance. I wish I could join you there.
Mark Eaton
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From: Windsor, Sonoma County, CA

posted 03 January 2006 11:17 AM     profile   send email     edit
Cool!

Thanks for the info, Billy. Maybe we'll get there early and do the dinner.

I've heard that Point Richmond is a nice little enclave, away from the "war zone"-but I didn't want to assume anything...for some reason, even after living in the greater Bay Area for most of my life-I have never gotten off the freeway there and ventured into that area.

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Mark

David Doggett
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From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 03 January 2006 12:16 PM     profile   send email     edit
His top six strings are just a standard open A tuning with a 5th on top. It is the same as standard bluegrass Dobro G tuning, only a whole step higher. Son House, Robert Johnson and other Delta bottleneckers used this A or G tuning. But they usually lost the lower 3rd (C#) and had a 5th (E) below the low root A, which has come to be called low bass A.

With an 8-string, Freddie has two extra strings to fool around with. Adding a 7th out of order at the top or bottom is a very smart choice for fast pentatonic picking. East Coast Sacred Steelers add a 7th, but it is usually in order. They also have the double root, but it is on pedal steel, where they can have the root for open chord strumming, or hit a pedal and lower it to the 7th. It's a little surprising Freddie didn't use the extra low string to get a low 5th. But, unlike the old thumb thumpers, if he plays lead in a group with a bass, he doesn't need that low 5th so much for keeping his own bass line going I guess.

Another West Coast blues lap steeler was L.C. "Good Rockin'" Robinson. He also played blues fiddle, and had a record on Arhoolie.

[This message was edited by David Doggett on 03 January 2006 at 12:20 PM.]

Billy Wilson
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From: El Cerrito, California, USA

posted 03 January 2006 12:24 PM     profile   send email     edit
I used to go and listen to L.C. Good Rockin' Robinson play his steel guitar out here in the Bay Area. When he died he willed his steel to blues man Sonny Rhodes. Sonny I believe lives now in New Jersey. I saw him recently in Oakland and he is still playing the steel. Very strong performer.
Andre Nizzari
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From: Bronx, New York

posted 03 January 2006 01:05 PM     profile   send email     edit
Also you can hear Freddie with Earl Hooker,in the early 60's, John's Lee's cousin. Earl Hooker is a great bottle neck blues man...nowhere as famous as his cousin, but Earl is a guitar player's guitarist.

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Michael Lee Allen
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From: Fresno CA USA

posted 03 January 2006 03:06 PM     profile   send email     edit
I saw Freddie with Earl several times in 1968 before he joined Charlie Musselwhite and moved to the Bay Area. They were a deadly combination. Untouchable. I got to work with Earl in 1969 and I still have and use a slide he gave me. Earl Hooker was the greatest blues guitarist ever IMO and I've seen just about anybody worth seeing in the last 40 years.

[This message was edited by Michael Lee Allen on 03 January 2006 at 03:07 PM.]

Mark Eaton
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From: Windsor, Sonoma County, CA

posted 03 January 2006 03:19 PM     profile   send email     edit
My son's guitar teacher-who is one fine player, and was the lead guitarist for a Bay Area group that had some success in the 80's, The Tazmanian Devils, told us when he was giving my son some lessons on the blues that his favorite was Earl. I never owned anything by Earl Hooker so I didn't know his playing very well. I bought a cd of Earl, that has some Freddie Roulette on it.

What a great player-and what a thrill for you, Michael, to have actually worked with him!

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Mark

Bill Leff
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From: Santa Cruz, CA, USA

posted 03 January 2006 03:27 PM     profile   send email     edit
Freddie plays on a couple of cuts of Roy Rogers' "Slideways" CD (excellent album too). Sonny Landreth also plays on a few (anyone heard Sonny's "Grant Street" CD? Excellent!).

Earl Hooker was a real original and a great player. I believe he played slide in standard tuning.

Billy Wilson
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From: El Cerrito, California, USA

posted 03 January 2006 03:34 PM     profile   send email     edit
Mark, I think it's the Hoodoo Rhythm Devils yer talking about. That would be John Rewind the guitarist. John is also a record producer with his own outfit called Rear Window. A couple of years ago he put out Bobby Black's latest steel guitar record. There is some terrific steel playing on there as well as some John Rewind guitar.
Mark Eaton
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From: Windsor, Sonoma County, CA

posted 03 January 2006 03:53 PM     profile   send email     edit
Nope-the Tazmanian Devils-kind of a new wave sound in the 80's. Dave Carlson is the guy. They never got real big but their albums collectively sold a couple hundred thousand copies.

I would say he is one of the finest guitar players in Sonoma County-he can play anything and play it well. And we have some pretty serious players up here-the aforementioned Steve Kimock lives in west county as does Elvin Bishop, and I'm probably leaving out some other big dogs.

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Mark

[This message was edited by Mark Eaton on 03 January 2006 at 03:54 PM.]

Michael Lee Allen
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From: Fresno CA USA

posted 03 January 2006 04:12 PM     profile   send email     edit
Earl did use standard tuning most of the time. On regular guitar and his doubleneck he would sometimes drop the low E to D and once in awhile open tune if he was going to play a lot of slide. He could and did play in open and non-standard tunings offstage. My doubleneck was (and is) tuned to D or D minor and he was all over it. He picked up a dobro I had in regular bluegrass G tuning and played it as well as my bouzouki tuned C-F-A-D. He could hear something on a car radio while driving and then pick up a guitar and play it back for you from one listening. One reason to use standard tuning was to allow others to sit in or to be able to sit in on someone else's instrument without retuning it. And Robert Nighthawk who taught him a lot did use standard tuning for most of his slide playing as well. I was in the right place at the right time as far as blues goes. Almost forty years later I can say that it WAS a thrill. Earl's picture is still on the shelf. His slide is in the drawer underneath the computer, next to slides given to me by J.B.Hutto and Johnny Littlejohn. Stories to tell...
Herb Steiner
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From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX

posted 03 January 2006 04:22 PM     profile   send email     edit
Michael Lee: I used to see Earl Hooker all the time in LA back in the late 60's when he played the Ash Grove club. I agree that he was one of the best blues guitarists of all time and also one of the greatest showmen in blues.

When you played with him, did he ever do the comedy bit with the pre-recorded solo? He'd be wailing on the guitar, then he'd take it off, set it down, light a smoke, walk offstage, and the guitar would still be playing a solo. Then he'd come back onstage, pick up the guitar, and commence to wailing again! To this 20-year-old, it was astounding!

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Michael Lee Allen
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From: Fresno CA USA

posted 03 January 2006 05:50 PM     profile   send email     edit
Herb...
The "tape recorder trick" happened sometimes. There was a sound-on-sound modified tape recorder set behind the amp with footswitches out front. Not a regular thing as he wes sick and could save his strength by hauling as little as possible. He could make the guitar talk with just his fingers or the slide and he did that all the time. He probably made three trips to the west coast. One recording for Arhoolie in the Bay Area, I'm sure he got together with Freddie on that one. In LA he did two LPs of his own and backed "Big Voice" Odom, Johnny "Big Moose" Walker, John Lee Hooker, Sonny Terry & Brownie McGhee, Charles Brown, and Jimmy Witherspoon on their LPs. He had Geno Skaggs on bass who ended up staying in SF and working with John Lee Hooker for years. Back then I figured California was nothing but surfers and hippies and Okies. Too far from home. Wonder what would have happened if I had come out then? Probably would have stayed and never gone back. I did go with Earl down into "Egypt" in the Illinos delta and the Missouri "boot" and northern Arkansas and western Kentucky, with "Voice" Odom, "Moose" and others pretty much unknown outside of Chicago. In the meantime Freddie has done a lot of sessions on little Bay Area labels and he's toured at times. He's been to Europe and a friend of mine who's played with him when he lived up there ran into him at the Ponderosa Stomp in NO last year. In all the time I've lived here I've only seen him play twice in SF and afterwards he had a crowd around him. The people I was with didn't want to hang around waiting so I never did get to talk to him. Anytime I'm up there I look to see if he is playing anywhere and I always miss him. Doubt he would remember me after almost 40 years. I think I have everything Freddie ever recorded as a "leader" and most of his sideman work. And everything Earl ever did that wasn't a bootleg. It all gets played on a regular basis. The "World Of Slide Guitar" DVD is about the only video of Freddie that exists. The Martin Simpson stuff is SO BORING I CAN'T STAND IT but this is essential. If you never saw Freddie in person this video lets you see how he does what he does. If you are interested in his style at all the video or DVD is essential.
Andy Volk
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From: Boston, MA

posted 03 January 2006 06:04 PM     profile   send email     edit
I agree with you about the Martin Simpson cuts! He smokes on Celtic styles but his bottleneck stuff leaves me cold. Watching Freddie doesn't help me. Like Duke Ellington's chord voicings, Freddie's playing mystifies me. He's one of the most original steelers ever. The DVD is well worth having.

When I interviewed him, Freddie told me that Earl Hooker played great Charlie Christian-style swing guitar but hardly ever pulled that particular rabbit out of his hat.

As far as CDs, his 1999 German release, Spirit of Steel, while a bit inconsistent, is better than Back in Chicago. f Freddie really burns on some of those cuts.
Link to web site.

Edited by Brad Bechtel to shorten the URL.

[This message was edited by Brad Bechtel on 04 January 2006 at 09:13 AM.]

Michael Lee Allen
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From: Fresno CA USA

posted 03 January 2006 06:57 PM     profile   send email     edit
Earl could, would, and did play jazz. Good jazz too. In clubs, if he had a good organist, he would close sets with tunes like "Seven Come Eleven", "Chitlins Con Carne", "Satin Doll", "One O:Clock Jump", or "Tuxedo Junction". If the audience was interested he could deliver the goods.
When Freddie's German CD came out there was no US importer and I couldn't get it anywhere. Finally one of my old German guitar and record customers called the company and charged a copy to be mailed to me. It's not cheap but nowdays you can find it listed in one or two eBay "Stores" if you look regularly. The "Back In Chicago" CD shows up on eBay at widely ranging prices all the time. Some of his early backing work on 45RPM was combined with most of his Janus LP and put out as a very expensive Japanese P-Vine LP. I hear that it is now an equally expensive P-Vine CD but I've never seen one for sale. The entire Janus LP was available as a CD as I saw one on an auction list from Puerto Rico (!) with no country of origin or reissue label/number info given. That could have been a bootleg. I didn't bid high enogh to win and have never seen another offered.

[This message was edited by Michael Lee Allen on 03 January 2006 at 06:59 PM.]

Andre Nizzari
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From: Bronx, New York

posted 03 January 2006 09:14 PM     profile   send email     edit
Michael...your killin' me!!!! God you are a lucky person! J.B. Hutto is my fav. blues man. I'm acually recording my demo for my new blues band this Saturday... a track off his last album.."Rock with me tonite" the first track "pretty baby."..that's so cool that you have there slides! Did you you know J.B. too?
Michael Lee Allen
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From: Fresno CA USA

posted 03 January 2006 09:41 PM     profile   send email     edit
Andre...
I knew JB all the way up to his move to the east coast. Some of the places I saw him play in were so bad you wouldn't have wanted to drive past them, let alone go in. He really didn't make any real money before the last few years of his life. Always a nice guy. When his trademark red and white resoglas guitar was broken on tour I got him another one. I have all his legal recordings. You need to see his nephew Lil' Ed Williams. Ed learned from his uncle and plays several of JB's songs to this day. He plays lots of slide and puts on a great show. He's just as friendly and accessable as his uncle was. He tours a lot so watch the blues club listings in your area. You will not regret seeing him. He also has several CDs out and in print. I think there's one of JB's songs on every one.
Andy Volk
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From: Boston, MA

posted 04 January 2006 06:04 AM     profile   send email     edit
There's a low-bandwith streaming video clip of Freddie playing Norweigan Wood available here:

http://guitarvideos.com/dvd/13069dvd.htm

Note that "Sleepwalk" is mis-labled as "Sweet Walk".

[This message was edited by Andy Volk on 04 January 2006 at 06:06 AM.]

Mark Eaton
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From: Windsor, Sonoma County, CA

posted 04 January 2006 09:54 AM     profile   send email     edit
Thanks for the tip, Andy-that was pretty wild!

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Andre Nizzari
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From: Bronx, New York

posted 04 January 2006 12:32 PM     profile   send email     edit
Michael, that's so cool that you knew JB!!! I would love to see a video of him performing..do U know of any videos out there?
Michael Lee Allen
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From: Fresno CA USA

posted 04 January 2006 06:12 PM     profile   send email     edit
Andre...
I have one old VHS thing with one or two JB tunes. Please send me a private email so this thread doesn't turn into a slide guitar festival. Everything is in storage while I wait to move in a month or two.

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