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Andy Volk
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From: Boston, MA

posted 25 June 2006 11:27 AM     profile   send email     edit
A Lesson With Billy Hew Len Part 2

Part 1 of the lesson is now off the server.

Unfortuately, Part 2's audio quality degrades further toward the end when the old cassette transport introduces noise. Even so, it's a musical treasure IMHO.

[This message was edited by Andy Volk on 25 June 2006 at 12:17 PM.]

Scott Thomas
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From: Oregon, USA

posted 25 June 2006 02:15 PM     profile     edit
Oh, so this is the source of Billy's infamous comments re Jerry Byrd that fueled so much heated discussion a while back.

Oh boy! We're overdue for another "Byrd doesn't play Hawaiian" smack down. The lines are drawn. Take up your sides, everyone!

Seriously, thanks for posting part two. There looks to be more pearls of wisdom in there, even if you have to dig in with your ears a little more to find them.

Jeff Au Hoy
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From: Honolulu, Hawai'i

posted 25 June 2006 06:31 PM     profile   send email     edit
I don't think we need to fight over it. For the record, I think I've done a fair amount of listening over the past 5 years and for the most part I still don't think Jerry played Hawaiian. But I don't see why that has to be perceived as a cut-down. Jerry played beautifully in his own style. I enjoy the Jerry Byrd style for what it is.

[This message was edited by Jeff Au Hoy on 25 June 2006 at 06:38 PM.]

Don Kona Woods
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From: Vancouver, Washington, USA

posted 25 June 2006 09:50 PM     profile   send email     edit
Thanks Mike for putting this second tape on. This is classic stuff. I am going to have to re-listen to the tape to get more of the content.

Maybe Jeff will be our translator again..

I also love Jerry’s playing, his touch (expression), his tone and his style as Jeff says for what it was. I would travel far and wide to hear him play anytime. But when it came to the Hawaiian touch and style he did not fully express it for me, either. I point to his use of the volume pedal control as the reason it did not sound more fully Hawaiian. I would have liked to hear Jerry play without the volume pedal control. He had a lot of the Hawaiian vamps down, which does give the Hawaiian ring to it, but he often played them under the influence of the volume pedal control.

This situation, I believe, is similar to black gospel singing where whites try to emulate it, but I do not believe they ever arrive.

Remember all of this is just opinion, not necessarily fact.

Aloha,J
Don

Bill Leff
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From: Santa Cruz, CA, USA

posted 26 June 2006 08:48 AM     profile   send email     edit
Fasten your seatbelts...
George Keoki Lake
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From: Edmonton, AB., Canada

posted 26 June 2006 09:09 PM     profile     edit
Ya gotta remember that when this tape was made, (somewhere around 1973, not too sure, Jerry had just "come to town" in Waikiki and I honestly feel that Billy hardly knew Jerry at the time. They later became fast friends and Billy loved what Jerry was doing on steel. Let's NOT open that can of worms again. http://www3.telus.net/public/lake_r/
Jeff Au Hoy
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From: Honolulu, Hawai'i

posted 26 June 2006 11:43 PM     profile   send email     edit
Actually... the recording was made in 1981, according to Hal. Jerry had already been in the islands about a decade. I wouldn't presuppose for Billy, but I think what he's saying on the tape is an honest observation of Jerry and not some kind of irrational blow.
Jeff Strouse
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From: Jacksonville, Florida, USA

posted 27 June 2006 12:33 AM     profile   send email     edit
Jeff pointed out that Jerry played beautifully in his own style...perhaps that's all it boils down to...

Jerry's style (his touch, tone, and phrasing) is so unique that it can stand out among the rest. It's not 100% Hawaiian...It's not 100% Country...it encompasses the best of it all. He took the framework of both (and other) musical styles, smoothed out the edges with his volume pedal and phrasing, and made the steel guitar sing like no other. Personally, I find him definitive in the Hawaiian style. Having hearing him "live" really brings this to point. The studio is a totally different environment. Many Hawaiian musicians loved and recorded with Jerry...prefering his sound over others they could have chosen.

Billy is also a favorite of mine with his unique style. Thanks for posting this Andy! Perhaps it will get more folks who have a treasure like this packed away somewhere to break it out!

[This message was edited by Jeff Strouse on 27 June 2006 at 12:39 AM.]

Dan Sawyer
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From: Studio City, California, USA

posted 27 June 2006 06:36 PM     profile     edit
It's called a style and JB created his own style. It was the way he liked to express himself. Sure it came through the country style and Hawaiian style and became something new.

The issue of using a volume pedal could be a lot of the reason it sounds more country, but also the way he moves the bar. Billy Hew Len's soul comes out clearly in the way he phrases. It's beautiful. I hope the Islanders don't forget their heritage and continue to support the Hawaiian steel guitar.

Jesse Pearson
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From: San Diego , CA

posted 27 June 2006 06:59 PM     profile   send email     edit
What the heck is Hawaiian? Jerry played Hawaiian songs in a Hawaiian steel guitar style. Jeff, why do you say he didn't play Hawaiian? That's what I don't get; to say he didn't play Hawaiian steel guitar is absurd? If your playing a Hawaiian song and it sounds like Hawaiian steel guitar, I don't give a hoot who it is playing, they still are playing Hawaiian music to me. I rely on JB's grips for playing in C6 and couldn't play steel right if I hadn't got his instructional book and tabs. I see his genius and I'm grateful that he shared his insight into how he played. I don't want to phrase like him, but I like his grips. Man, each one of these famous guys has stuff you can learn and use in your own playing to sound Hawaiian.
George Keoki Lake
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From: Edmonton, AB., Canada

posted 27 June 2006 08:10 PM     profile     edit
Here we go again !
Jesse Pearson
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From: San Diego , CA

posted 27 June 2006 09:22 PM     profile   send email     edit
Here we go again?

It's like saying only Jamaican guys play real Reggae. Single line runs vs. seamless unbroken chord lines, what? Swinging hard vs. Milky licker mono, what? White vs. Island boys? Yea...

Things evolve. Staying all historical is a great way to learn your instrument, but the road forks off eventually given time. Excuse me if I misunderstood Jeff's statement that JB didn't play Hawaiian, but the boy be sounding crazy.

Andy Volk
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From: Boston, MA

posted 28 June 2006 02:50 AM     profile   send email     edit
For what it's worth, I agree completely with Jeff. It's not a racist argument; it's a critical opinion and nobody's putting JB down. Search and you'll find a heated discusion on this topic from 2001. Ray Montee's site has the following comments that opened my eyes to the power of the forum to hurt or heal with just words:

About a year prior to Jerry's passing, he sent me an audio-letter and it was really quite tragic. Having given a major portion of his musical career to acknowledging and/or helping his thousands of devoted fans, Jerry had come face to face with the harsh reality of some real negative attacks about him over one of the world's most famous and pleasurable steel guitarist computer hang-outs.

One Forumite in particular, had become highly critical of Jerry and seemed to pounce on any/every remark that Jerry might make. Jerry's brother Jack Byrd had kept him up to date on the steel guitar world since Jerry refused to have anything to do with computers. Jerry was somewhat bemused that his brother Jack became so upset over the negative comments being directed at Jerry. However as time went by, Jerry too, began to feel the sting of these unkind remarks.

He was quite upset as a result of some of the comments made about him "not being Hawaiian enough"; or, "being too Hawaiian". Some of these detractors had not even been born when Jerry arrived in the islands.

It was so up-setting to me to listen to this wonderful man admitting that these derogatory comments had actually gotten to him and he was speaking as a man that had been hurt quite deeply. He simply was unable to figure out what it was that he had ever done that turned these one or two individuals against him. So as great as he was....those hurtful remarks still penetrated to his inner-most soul. It still saddens me, that Jerry Byrd went to his death, with these unanswered questions in his heart.

While I stand by my opinions, I'm truly sorry if my words caused Jerry any distress. I'm sure that as a life long lover of Hawaiian music, he thought he was expressing it with his entire being as it should be played. In the future, I'm going to think harder about what I post regarding a living player. In the meantime, let's forget this topic drift and just enjoy the insights of the great Billy Hew Len.

[This message was edited by Andy Volk on 28 June 2006 at 02:53 AM.]

David L. Donald
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From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

posted 28 June 2006 04:51 AM     profile   send email     edit
I moved my comments over to Denny;'s new thread.

Very interesting lesson on this old recording.

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 28 June 2006 at 09:40 AM.]

Denny Turner
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From: Northshore Oahu, Hawaii USA

posted 28 June 2006 05:04 AM     profile   send email     edit
THANKS A MIL Andy, for the Part 2 posting; A real treasure again.

Aloha,
DT~

Denny Turner
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From: Northshore Oahu, Hawaii USA

posted 28 June 2006 05:05 AM     profile   send email     edit
Respecting Andy's request; I have started a new discussion in the ongoing search for what is "Hawaiian" Music.

Aloha,
DT~

Jeff Au Hoy
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From: Honolulu, Hawai'i

posted 28 June 2006 05:10 AM     profile   send email     edit
I feel it is very important I clarify that my opinion of Jerry has nothing to do with his heritage. Conversely, I hear players of Hawaiian heritage playing un-Hawaiian lines, with an un-Hawaiian feel. To say that Jerry couldn't play Hawaiian because of the color of his skin is just irrational. As others have said before, Jerry had his own remarkable and unique style that transcends all others.

Yes, music does evolve--but where does one draw the line? Can I play anything I want and call it Western Swing? Even if a guy's a jazz player, can't you tell immediately that he's not playing bebop? Or am being too close-minded in not considering Kenny G a bopper? I was born and raised in Hawai'i and one of my other loves is Bluegrass music, which I've listened to since long before I ever picked up a steel guitar... but should I go over to Nashville and tell them whether or not they're playing the real stuff?

[This message was edited by Jeff Au Hoy on 28 June 2006 at 05:39 AM.]

Jesse Pearson
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From: San Diego , CA

posted 28 June 2006 07:16 AM     profile   send email     edit
Jeff, you can really play which means you can really hear. You still didn't answer the question? I lived in Hawaii and saw the attitudes towards whites, as did Jr Brown etc. Because I know you can hear and play so well, your statement about JB's Hawaiian playing reminds me of those attitudes. Jazz for instance is not just about bebop anyways? And by the way, I have always laughed at jazzers who think cool jazz isn't jazz and I’m a Bird head on alto. It's evolved and taken different forks in the road. Honestly, I wonder if all the attention JB got didn't ruffle some feathers of some island boys who should have been just as well known? I mean, it would be a natural reaction considering human behavior? Heck, look at Jerry Garcia and the pedal steel guys? JB did what Feets didn't, mainly the seamless uninterrupted chord lines. Hawaiian music comes from alot of different places and ethnic influences, no? Saying JB didn't play Hawaiian is a huge statement coming from such an up and coming raising star as yourself, so please explain what you are saying concerning JB. It comes with the territory.

Andy, Jerry would have known about island attitudes and should have taken it in stride. When the end of the road comes in to view for all of us, your gonna have depression issues? JB didn’t like tuners or a lot of things concerning gear and different playing styles from what I’ve read? I want to talk this out because it is educational. God knows I dig Billy’s phrasing and both JB and Billy play Hawaiian as far as I can hear. Jeff sees something different and wouldn’t have brought it up if he didn’t think it was important. If this needs to go over to Denny's thread fine.

Ron Whitfield
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From: Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA

posted 10 July 2006 07:16 PM     profile   send email     edit
Andy, can you please put lesson one back up for a while?

Thanx!

Andy Volk
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From: Boston, MA

posted 11 July 2006 07:18 AM     profile   send email     edit
Due to server limitations, I have to drop #2 to re-post #1. Does everybody have #2 who wants it? If not, grab it now.

By the way, Hal as archived 9 hours of Billy Hew Len, Jerry Byrd and Barney Isaacs audio on DVD video files that include this interview. forumite Chuck Wilson will be converting to audio format and cleaning it all up. It's Hal's wish that this material be freely distributed so the costs are likely to be minimal. I'll post info when it's available.

Ron Whitfield
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From: Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA

posted 11 July 2006 11:30 AM     profile   send email     edit
Very cool on both counts.

Thanx for the re-assist per lesson #1.

Thanx to you both!

Andy Volk
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From: Boston, MA

posted 11 July 2006 06:26 PM     profile   send email     edit
Part #2 is off the server. Here's Part #1 again ....
http://home.comcast.net/~aevolk/HewLenLesson1.mp3
Kenny Dail
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From: Kinston, N.C. 28504

posted 12 July 2006 12:54 PM     profile   send email     edit
Andy, my download for Billy's lesson 2 got lost. Please put it up again for a couple days. Thanks...

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kd...and the beat goes on...

[This message was edited by Kenny Dail on 12 July 2006 at 02:32 PM.]

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