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Kevin Bullat
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From: Huntington Beach, CA

posted 02 September 2006 05:41 PM     profile   send email     edit
Braddah Matt!

I always played what I liked to hear on steel. Of course, this is from the perspective of a steel player, that typically only enjoys (for the most part, folks.. Now just sit back down!)hearing steel.

But my ukulele player, a Hawaiian fellow named Pat Enos, taught me to understand that audiences want to see a show.

They're not gonna just "ooo, and ahh" by fancy steel pickin', but rather by a combination of sensory perception (if this sounds like a television commercial, I'm appologize).

They want vocals, hula dancers, having folks come up from the audience and learn to hula, wild burps on the mic (just kidding).

What I just said should have nothing to impact your decision on what your band's song list it.

Just go wit' what you like braddah!

P.s Sorry, I forgot to tell you my rule-of-thumb for number of Hawaiian songs for a workable list:

1) Number of songs really depends on how good your front man is to working the audience with BS between songs, you know like: "yeah, I was born in Kaneohe and as a keike kane, I... blah, blah, blah"

2) If you got a hula dancer or no. You can run a hula song fo' 10 minutes! Ooo'ee!

3) How drunk the audience is (come on, you know what I takin' 'bout)

4) As a general rule, 10 songs for 30 minutes.

(hey, if you playin' Hawaiian language tunes, the audience doesn't really know if you play same tune 2 or 3 time! It ain't FreeBird!)

[This message was edited by Kevin Bullat on 02 September 2006 at 05:48 PM.]

AJ Azure
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From: Massachusetts, USA

posted 03 September 2006 03:13 PM     profile   send email     edit
Boy did you nail it! Show show show!!
I woudl say 10 songs can cover a 45 mintue set. it really depends on how many solos you do.

You have to have a very minimum of 2 sets to gig. 4 sets is safer. i like 50 minute sets.
Which songs? Doesn't matter. Most people you're playing for wont' know the tunes. You're creating an atmosphere.
Also don't forget value added stuff like helping them figure out decorations, getting them silk leis from Hawaii, etc.
Ultimately have fun and the audienc eiwll enjoy it. Now the downsid ebut, the necessary evil; you might have to do other tropical music on request. So Beach Boys, Jimmy Buffet, reggae might be requested. You cam either set a no way rule or bend when necessary. Onsite request i frown on but, pre-requests I am open to. Althoug,h you might get the odd drunk asking FOR Freebird lol

As far as haole, yes I know it's a neutral wor dbut, you know when it's being used derogatorily.

Kevin Bullat
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From: Huntington Beach, CA

posted 03 September 2006 07:45 PM     profile   send email     edit
Funny thing about the word 'Haole'. It doesn't generally have a positive spin to it when some kanaka screams it out his car window at you crossing the street.

However, the more you learn about the small and large parts of Hawaiian culture, and the more you hang out with the island braddahs, the more they begin to accept you - haole! - as one of their own.

I'll be hanging out with my ukulele player and his fellow local boys, and inevitably someone will say 'and some damn haole...' and they're talking to me and the group, but they don't think of me as haole right then.

They word really has a number of inflections which can be added, changing its intention at a moments notice.

Just be respectful as you would be in any neighbors house...

[This message was edited by Kevin Bullat on 03 September 2006 at 07:46 PM.]

AJ Azure
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From: Massachusetts, USA

posted 04 September 2006 02:49 AM     profile   send email     edit
Having grown up in a multi cultural home of Jewish, israeli, eastern European and Argentinian, I am very open and sensitive to all cultures and I hope that other cultures open thmselves to others who want to learn about them. it's not always the case but, respect is important and often forgotten.
Todd Weger
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From: Safety Harbor, FLAUSA

posted 05 September 2006 08:29 AM     profile   send email     edit
quote:
I'm curious to know how you put the wheels in motion once you made the decision.

For example, how did you choose your repertoire? How many tunes did you feel was necessary to learn for a party gig or lu'au? Was one hour of material enough to start on or did you not market yourselves until you had more?


Matt - I sort of 'fell' into it, to be honest. When I moved here to the Tampa area, a friend hooked me up a friend of theirs who did his hapa-haole Hawaiian schtick with solo guitar. He played for parties, mostly. He's also the first to tell you that he's not what he'd call a 'real' musician, but an entertainer (a summation with which I would agree, btw!). Anyway, he was looking for someone who could play some Hawaiian steel backup for him on certain gigs.

After doing some of those with him, and picking up several tunes I hadn't known of before, I met Dick Sanft, and learned a TON from him about steel playing, as well as more tunes.

About two and a half years ago, I felt I had enough of a list to at least do a two hour hapa-haole gig. So, I put together about 30 backing tracks with bass/ukulele on my Roland VS-890 recorder, and put them on mini-disc. This allowed me to do solo background music gigs, playing steel live with my tracks. The thing is, playing solo like that just isn't fun, IMO. I need other musicians to play off of. So, I asked the drummer and guitarist in my swing band, Wholly Cats!!!, if they'd be into putting together a set or two of this stuff. To my surprise, they said yes, and that's how we now do our alter ego as Haole Kats!!!.

Another thing we've found is people say they want just all Hawaiian music for the duration of their party, but the fact is, they DON'T. You have to be able to do other material too, especially if it's more than an hour gig. I've found this to be true 100% of the time, for all the parties we've done, and I guess we've done about 30 or 40 of them.

If you have an hour's worth of Hawaiian tunes, that's enough to start bookin', IMO. Good luck!

TJW www.whollycatsband.com

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Todd James Weger --
1956 Fender Stringmaster T-8 (C6, A6, B11); 1960 Fender Stringmaster D-8 (C6, B11/A6); Regal resonator (C6); 1938 Epiphone Electar (A6); assorted ukuleles; upright bass


Matt Rhodes
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From: Houston, Texas, USA

posted 05 September 2006 12:46 PM     profile   send email     edit
Kevin, AJ, and Todd,

Thank you for all the useful info. You have just saved me at least 1-2 years of misdirected effort.

Matt

Bill McCloskey
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From:

posted 05 September 2006 01:06 PM     profile   send email     edit
Don't worry matt,

You have years of misdirected effort in front of you.

AJ Azure
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From: Massachusetts, USA

posted 05 September 2006 09:39 PM     profile   send email     edit
What did we say that convinced you not to do it???
If that's what I did I had better not become a motivational speaker!
Bill Manning
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From: New York, USA

posted 05 September 2006 10:26 PM     profile   send email     edit
My very abbreviated thoughts about this subject:

There's no rule against pursuing a dream even while dealing with day-to-day realities.

If you want it bad enough, you'll make it happen. If not today, maybe tomorrow.

There are no age barriers--37, 57, 107, doesn't matter. The only real barrier is "me."

I sure better be careful when typing and not transpose letters if and when I ever use the word "haole."

Matt Rhodes
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From: Houston, Texas, USA

posted 06 September 2006 07:18 AM     profile   send email     edit
No, AJ.

I'm going to do it. Now that I know what channels to pursue, how to advertise, and what kind of working conditions and the amount hours to expect, and what I should charge, I know what I need to spend time working on. Like mixing up the songlist so it's not 100% Hawaiian. Or networking with the hula dance circles. That kind of thing.

Mike Neer
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From: NJ

posted 06 September 2006 10:28 AM     profile   send email     edit
It's starting to smell awfully cheesy in here.
Bill McCloskey
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From:

posted 06 September 2006 10:47 AM     profile   send email     edit
"what kind of working conditions and the amount hours to expect"

Make sure you hold out for the 401k and health benefits.

Bill Manning
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From: New York, USA

posted 06 September 2006 11:06 AM     profile   send email     edit
Oh well, sometimes I can't help myself!
Bill McCloskey
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From:

posted 06 September 2006 11:45 AM     profile   send email     edit
Actually the Health Benefits thing was a joke, but in reality it is a serious subject. We've just seen the nightmare that Herbie Wallace has been living through without insurance.

As you head out on this journey of yours, have you given any thought to health insurance for you and your family?

Matt Rhodes
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From: Houston, Texas, USA

posted 06 September 2006 12:43 PM     profile   send email     edit
Bill, I was kind of hoping you'd help me out there. Everyone else I've asked keeps turning me down.

But seriously, I'll look for a better paying day job and do this "on the side" like most people.

Bill McCloskey
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From:

posted 06 September 2006 01:15 PM     profile   send email     edit
Wise decision.
AJ Azure
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From: Massachusetts, USA

posted 06 September 2006 01:49 PM     profile   send email     edit
Wow Mike you smelled me all the way in NY? Sheesh i'd better shower! hehe

I agree quiting the day job is a bad idea but,working one that sucks your soul is worse. Enjoy your day job enough to be able to support music as a sideline until and if it starts being enough to not do the day job.
Being self employed in any field means that you have to deals with those extra details like retirement fund and health insurance.


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