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Tom Bradshaw
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From: Concord, California, USA

posted 02 March 2004 08:28 AM     profile     
Two vendors at the Dallas show have revealed that they have been asked not to display or sell Bobbe Seymour's new album there. I trust this information to be accurate. Several questions/conclusions spring to mind:

1. Has marketing censorship now become a part of steel guitar events?
2. Is Bobbe's album lascivious, indecent or just such awful playing as to constitute a fraud if purchased?
3. Are the show's sponsors been threatened with a lawsuit if the album is sold there?
Or, does some guitar manufacturer actually control this event as has been rumored?
4. Many more questions and concerns will not be recited.

Would the promoters of the show please provide an explanation as to the reason for this prohibition?

Joey Ace
Sysop

From: Southern Ontario, Canada

posted 02 March 2004 09:01 AM     profile     
If true, that's terrible!!!

If it's not true the organizers should be quick to respond!

It's so sad when an artist can be black-balled even before his day in court.

The TSGA has been highly reccommended to me, and I made plans to attend for the first time. This really sours it.

What's the story, TSGA?

Roger Rettig
Member

From: NAPLES, FL

posted 02 March 2004 09:44 AM     profile     
'Bump'!!!!

I want to know, too. If this rumour has any credance it'll be a huge 'black mark' against whoever is responsible.

RR

Tom Callahan
Member

From: Dunlap, Tennessee, USA

posted 02 March 2004 09:55 AM     profile     
Might I request that some one contact the sponsers and ask for an explanation. We had planned to make this trip but if this is true, I will just stay in Tennesse where I belong.

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[This message was edited by Tom Callahan on 02 March 2004 at 09:55 AM.]

Joey Ace
Sysop

From: Southern Ontario, Canada

posted 02 March 2004 10:14 AM     profile     
I've already sent an email to the TSGA's president asking him to confirm or deny these claims.
Allan Thompson
Member

From: Scotland.

posted 02 March 2004 11:09 AM     profile     
We are booked for this year but if this turns out to be true we`d be reluctant to attend again.
Ray Jenkins
Member

From: Gold Canyon Az. Pinal U.S.A.

posted 02 March 2004 11:17 AM     profile     
Bobbe, it seems to me,would be the only person who would have a right to choose weather or not to sell his cd's at Dallas.I'm doubting it was him who ordered it or the organizers of TSGA.I'll bet they didn't either.Here we go again!!!!
Ray

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Fred Shannon
Member

From: Rocking "S" Ranch, Comancheria, Texas

posted 02 March 2004 11:23 AM     profile     
Well, let's stop the innuendos. No second or third hand info now as been the experiences in the past. Let's get the names of the vendors posted so we can get in touch with them first hand. No need to find out the hard way how this kind of disruption to a splendid event can occur on "I think it's so". That's the BS way to handle this kind of accusation. Mr. Bradshaw would you care to post the names of the vendors?


Fred Shannon

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David L. Donald
Member

From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

posted 02 March 2004 11:28 AM     profile     
Being ASKED to do something is not the same as
being TOLD to do something.

Is it possible that some organizer on his own wanted to NOT inject this divisive issue into the Dallas show.
With the best of intentions...
And no thought of censorship.

I know there are some who would prefer that this was MADE an issue.

While others would prefer the show was an issue NEUTRAL zone for the duration.

The very nature of the specific CD in question,
and not any other CD by this artist,
could be construed as active support on one side or another by TSGA in an on going legal matter.
I would imagine they would prefer NOT to be involved at all.

But it was never stated above that ANY CD from this artist is not to be sold at the show.
So " black-balled", is rather strongly worded.

So which causes the least amount of hassle?

Before flying off any handles, lets give the benifit of the doubt first.

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 02 March 2004 at 11:48 AM.]

b0b
Sysop

From: Cloverdale, California, USA

posted 02 March 2004 11:35 AM     profile     
I can understand vendors not wanting to get into the middle of this. They have businesses to run, and don't want to spend the next week answering phone calls about it.

The "no BS" way to confirm or deny is to get a public statement from the TSGA. Joey has asked for one. Let's wait and see what they have to say before jumping to conclusions.

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Fred Shannon
Member

From: Rocking "S" Ranch, Comancheria, Texas

posted 02 March 2004 12:41 PM     profile     
"I can understand vendors not wanting to get into the middle of this."

Firstly, it would appear to me that the vendors, mentioned in the Bradshaw post, are already "into the middle of this." Else, how did Mr. Bradshaw become knowledgeable of the assertion. I'm certain Mr. Bradshaw has more to do than inquire of all the vendors whether they're gonna' be able to sell Bobbe's CD at the Jamboree or not. Can we assume that either the vendors themselves, or someone the vendors talked to, notified Mr. Bradshaw of these facts? Somehow he had to be made aware of the allegations. Don't these questions raise the pertinence of having the vendors be identified in order that the mess can be cleared up?

Only if you want the "whole truth"!

Secondly, the plaintiffs in the lawsuit, for which the CD was supposedly made for expenses, evidently think they are gonna' prevail in court or else they would have already dropped the litigation.

It doesn't take a brain surgeon to realize that the sales from this CD would go to pay for the settlement in a hypothetical conclusion that their assumptions are correct.

Hell, if I was the plaintiff, and concluded I would win the case, I would have Bobbe front and center in my booth at the Jamboree and be encouraging everyone to suck this little pretty up. After all it was Bobbe that suggested this.

It's a shame that these things have to cause so much dissension in our ranks, but it's inevitable....That's what makes horse races, but what does a "dumb ole redneck rancher" know about machinery?

As a member of TSGA, I've already notified several folks of this mess and I'm certain one of our officers will be responding. I don't believe the membership is gonna' stand by and see one of the best steel guitar shows "queered". You can bet on it.

fred

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If it aint got a steel, it aint real

Stephen Gambrell
Member

From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA

posted 02 March 2004 12:48 PM     profile     
I really see little difference between Bobbe's "Legal Defense Fund" CD and Willie's IRS album a few years back. And just as TV sold the Willie album, vendors at ANY event should not be told what they CANNOT sell, as long as it's legal.
We all have opinions about the lawsuit, and we all have opinions about the guys involved. They're both controversial figures in the steel guitar world, and they're both INCREDIBLE steel players! And to be asked to deny the consumer access to recorded material, books, GUITARS, by either of these guys, would be a mistake...

(edited for spelling error)

[This message was edited by Stephen Gambrell on 02 March 2004 at 12:56 PM.]

Joey Ace
Sysop

From: Southern Ontario, Canada

posted 02 March 2004 12:55 PM     profile     
Please keep this civil.

I'm closly watching my email for a response and will let you know what the official word is.

I really don't care who the vendors (whistle blowers ?)are.
What we really need to know is what TSGA's policy is.

[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 02 March 2004 at 12:58 PM.]

Anne Marie O Keeffe
Member

From: Co.Waterford,Ireland.

posted 02 March 2004 12:56 PM     profile     
The way I see it, those who want it banned are doing Bobbe a favour..........anything that's banned makes people really curious so I reckon sales will go way up.
Herb Steiner
Member

From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX

posted 02 March 2004 01:08 PM     profile     
I just got off the phone with Albert Talley, president of the TSGA. His phone, and mine, have been ringing non-stop for the last couple of days. Albert asked me to post this on the forum, so this is the "official" word on the issue.

This situation is a result of 1) the TSGA wanting to stay out of a pending lawsuit, 2) rumors flying, and 3) misunderstanding and mis-communication. Albert contacted Bobbe Seymour, Maurice Anderson, and Jerry Fessenden within the last hour. Unfortunately his computer is down, and his eyes are recovering from a visit to the eye doctor today and he simply can't answer e-mails even if his computer was working.

Bottom line: none of the parties concerned are opposed to Jerry Fessenden or anyone else selling Bobbe Seymour's CD. If Jerry wants to sell Bobbe's CD, JERRY CAN SELL THE CD, as well as anyone else. NO ONE WANTS THE TSGA JAMBOREE TO BE DIVIDED ON THIS OR ANY OTHER ISSUE.

I assume there will be ample copies of the CD available for attendees to purchase.

Please let this be the end of this story.

Herb out.

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b0b
Sysop

From: Cloverdale, California, USA

posted 02 March 2004 01:11 PM     profile     
End of story.
Joey Ace
Sysop

From: Southern Ontario, Canada

posted 02 March 2004 03:42 PM     profile     
I'd like to thank TSGA president Albert Talley for responding to my email.

He answered my question concerning the rumors about who controls the show with

quote:
"The TSGA show is not controlled by *** or anyone else other than the board of the TSGA."

(I put in the *** to replace a brand name)

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