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Bob Hempker Member From: Hollister, Mo. |
posted 16 August 2004 07:24 PM
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I was told today by RC's bandleader that as of 1/1/05, Roy would no longer be carrying steel guitar on the road. I not only hate it for myself, but I hate to see steel players being shelved. Seems funny, because they are keeping 2 fiddles and 2 keyboard players. Shows you how unimportant steel guitar is nowdays to people. Roy claims he loves steel guitar. It doesn't seem like it to me.  ------------------ |
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Jody Sanders Member From: Magnolia,Texas |
posted 16 August 2004 07:29 PM
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Bob, This is bad news for country music and the steel guitar. When I am not working, I will not go to a venue that does not have a steel guitar player. Hopefully, everyone else will do the same which hopefully would correct the situation,.Jody. |
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Smiley Roberts Member From: Hendersonville,Tn. 37075 |
posted 16 August 2004 08:00 PM
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quote: I don't believe that this was his decision. I believe this came from "the man" himself,who claims to "love steel guitar"! He didn't just walk up to Roy & say,"Roy,I'm gonna dump the steel. Whaddya think?" And even if he did,I don't think Roy would've said,"Well,you're the bandleader. Do what you want". This was a "top-shelf" decision. ------------------ |
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Kevin Hatton Member From: Amherst, N.Y. |
posted 16 August 2004 08:13 PM
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Its wrong Bob. I also will not support any country act or venue that does not have steel guitar, and I always let them know. Its a primary instrument in country music. The keybord is further down in the list after fiddle and acoustic guitar. |
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Earl Erb Member From: Old Hickory Tenn |
posted 16 August 2004 08:47 PM
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So sorry to hear about this,Bob. A real guy would have had the guts to tell you himself after all the years you have been with him. I guess it goes to show you,loyalty doesn't mean squat in this business. I guess I'll add Roy's name to my list of artists without backbones. I agree with Smiley. Maybe this is a good reason to come back to Nashville. If you had worked for Hank Snow or Stonewall you would have gotten a pink slip in the mail.  Your too good a player to be out of work for very long. If I was you I would find something before the end of the year. The last 4 months won't be fun. |
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Walter Stettner Member From: Vienna, Austria |
posted 16 August 2004 09:55 PM
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That's a shame! We are talking about all the xposure that steel gets from articles in Guitar Player Magazine, RR and all that - but it looks like that's real life.  Kind Regards, Walter www.lloydgreentribute.com ------------------ |
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Bill Myrick Member From: Pea Ridge, Ar. |
posted 17 August 2004 03:37 AM
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Sorry to hear the news Bob, for more than one reason. Good grief !!! Think how very much Hal and you contributed to the success of "LL" and I know there were some very trying times in the process. You'll find a better job wait and see. Bill. |
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Paul King Member From: Gainesville, Texas, USA |
posted 17 August 2004 04:53 AM
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It is plain amd simple to me. If they cannot carry a steel player then I cannot and will not see their concert. I never was a big Roy Clark fan to begin with but now I surely am not. |
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Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada |
posted 17 August 2004 05:10 AM
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Sorry to hear this, Bob. Roy's show will be added to my list of "Steel-Less Bands" to avoid. While cut-backs are never good news, I have to mention that giving you four months notice shows great respect. That's unheard of in any business. Musicians usually get four months less than that. Thanks for keeping us posted. Another door will open. How long have you been with the show? |
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Skip Cole Member From: North Mississippi |
posted 17 August 2004 05:16 AM
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No steel ? No appeal !! ------------------ |
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Roy Thomson Member From: Wolfville, Nova Scotia,Canada |
posted 17 August 2004 05:22 AM
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I am sorry to hear your news Bob. Last time you posted you mentioned that Roy was planning a new Gospel CD and wanted you to play Dobro (No steel?). Was that completed? All the best Roy T. |
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Ed Naylor Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa |
posted 17 August 2004 05:33 AM
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This may sound a little crazy but-Has any musician ever filed a Discrimination suit against any Band,Record co etc. Maybe it is time for a "Class Action" suit by Steel players for being deleted. Just think- the publicity alone would bring attention to Steelers. Maybe Garagos would take it on a pro bono action. Ed Naylor Steel Guitar Works. |
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John Lacey Member From: Black Diamond, Alberta, Canada |
posted 17 August 2004 06:29 AM
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Sorry to hear about it, Bob. Maybe your next job will be better. "Another door opens...." |
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Bob Hempker Member From: Hollister, Mo. |
posted 17 August 2004 08:03 AM
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Hey guys, I really appreciate your concern. It means a lot. Many of you, whom I've never even met seem to be more real friends and comrades than other supposedly "friends" I've worked with down through the years. Earl and Smiley, thanks again, and I totally agree with you about where all this comes from. I don't hold any anymosity towards anyone, but when are these "stars" going to realize that loyalty is a 2 way street! Seems almost appropriate also, in the fact that it was exactly a year to the day that Jimmy and James Henley were fired from the group after 28 years. They also got told by the bandleader, and were never faced by the "man." I know what you mean also by not supporting acts that don't carry steel guitar.: One time when I was with Loretta, we did a benefit in Texas for something which I don' even remember. Anyway, the Oak Ridge Boys gave us all jackets with theri names on them. I gave mine back, because I told them I wouldn't wear it. When asked why, I told them because they don't use steel guitar in their group. Maybe that's radical, but I can't help it, that's the way I feel. Thanks, again, guys. ------------------ |
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pdl20 Member From: Benton, Ar . USA, |
posted 17 August 2004 08:04 AM
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Well i guess Mr Clarks Show won't be seen by me .Sorry Bob But you shouldnt have to be out long .you play your Butt off. May good luck find you my friend Rudy |
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Jerry Roller Member From: Van Buren, Arkansas USA |
posted 17 August 2004 08:36 AM
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Every show I ever attended in Branson, I asked the ticket sellers if there was a steel guitar in the band before purchasing tickets. If no steel I would not buy a ticket. Bob, I hope you can find a better playing job real soon. My only complaint when I attended the Roy Clark show was that he didn't let you play enough, too much lead guitar by Roy. Jerry |
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Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada |
posted 17 August 2004 08:40 AM
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Here's a link: http://www.roy-clark.com/ You can email Roy from there, or join the fan club |
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Bob Miano Member From: Bergenfield, N.J. (home of "some" country music) |
posted 17 August 2004 09:19 AM
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Well, don't know if it will make a difference, but I just emailed Roy Clark asking him to get involved and keep the steel as part of his show. Maybe if he hears it from enough people, well,... you get the point ! Go to his website and email him..... it can't hurt. Bob Miano |
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Jennings Ward Member From: Edgewater, Florida, USA |
posted 17 August 2004 09:21 AM
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E.A. syndrome. Old and GREEDY. Jennings
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Pete Burak Member From: Portland, OR USA |
posted 17 August 2004 09:30 AM
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I don't know guys. I think it might be just the opposite. I've been a big Roy fan since I was a little kid, and have seen him several times. I saw him with Bob on steel at least twice. In my observation of Roys music, it never had much if any steel in the first place, and it was always about Roys virtuosity. As I recall, Roy verbally acknowledged the steel man and showcased the steel at least once during the show. I would think Roy went out of his way to employ a steel man for as long as he could. It's no secret that the steel is always the first to go, so no big surprise there, except that he let the Henleys go before the steel (I'm surpised by that), so the steel wasn't even the first thing to go in this case (maybe he does like steel?!). I'm sorry you lost your gig, but I've never know of a band that didn't break up or reform or downsize at some point. |
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Tommy White Member From: Hendersonville,Tn., U.S.A. |
posted 17 August 2004 10:04 AM
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Bob, Sorry about the gig. I know change is not always what we want, but I always like to think there is a better way in store when this sort of thing happens, especially to steel players. Keep in touch and keep us posted. Your friend, T.W. |
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Paul King Member From: Gainesville, Texas, USA |
posted 17 August 2004 10:24 AM
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I just sent an email to Roy disagreeing with this decision regardless of who made it. I advised him I do not go to concerts where there is no steel player and for him to take a look at this forum and read the comments. Just another blow for the steel guitarist in these days of not so country music.I would bet if the truth was known this decision is all about the dollar bill. |
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Bob Watson Member From: Champaign, Illinois, U.S. |
posted 17 August 2004 10:46 AM
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Bob, I am sorry to hear about the Roy Clark show letting you go. You are a world class player and it is definately they're loss. I hope the next gig you get is better money and better music. Good Luck! |
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Herby Wallace Member From: Sevierville, TN, Sevier |
posted 17 August 2004 10:53 AM
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Dear Bob, Sorry to hear this, but nothing shocks me anymore about the music business. I worked on the road for around 12 years in the sixties and seventies and every country music artist I worked for back then would always hire a steel guitar player as one of the most important instruments in the band. Many artists I worked for back then only carried 4 pieces and steel was always one of the the 4 musicians. As many of you have heard me complain about this in the past, I am in the same position here in the Pigeon Forge area. There are 6 steel players working in the area, but 3 of them are utility players and only work because they play other instruments. I have auditioned for some of these jobs and couldn't get them because I didn't play other instruments. I think what shocks me the most about a situation like Bob's is that being a good player doesn't seem to matter anymore and also steel isn't that important anymore. I can't begin to tell you how many times if a new show comes to the area and I call to check on it, when I tell them I play steel guitar, the first question is: what else do you play? Anyhow, I'll shut up for now, but good luck Bob in finding something else as I know exactly how you feel. Herby Wallace ------------------ |
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Ernie Renn Member From: Brainerd, Minnesota USA |
posted 17 August 2004 11:19 AM
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Well, Bob, that just sucks. I do have to agree that it's probably the money guys making the decision. They, as a rule, don't know anything about loyalty or about what 'should' be there. Of course at this point, you probably have Roy's number. Give him a friendly call to see what happened. It couldn't hurt. Something will come along. I remember years back I wondered where you'd work after playing with Loretta for so long. But something came along for you. I hope it does again. ------------------ |
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Glenn Austin Member From: Montreal, Canada |
posted 17 August 2004 11:32 AM
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Just my 2 cents worth, but as a country music fan, I'm always let down when I see a country show and there is no steel guitar in the band. Good luck in the future Bob |
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Jerry Roller Member From: Van Buren, Arkansas USA |
posted 17 August 2004 11:52 AM
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My email has been sent to Roy. (Edit) I just got my message returned undelivered to Roy. Anyone else have this happen? What do I do to get it to him? Jerry [This message was edited by Jerry Roller on 17 August 2004 at 12:02 PM.] |
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Larry King Member From: Watts, Oklahoma, USA |
posted 17 August 2004 12:21 PM
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ME TOO!!!!!!!!!! |
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Herman Visser Member From: Rohnert Park, California, USA |
posted 17 August 2004 03:15 PM
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What is he thinking. I have heard people call him Mr country music. yea right. No steel no country in my book.Its one of the frist things I check out if there is a steel in the band. No steel !!!! I Exercises my wallet I put it back in my pocket and go some where that does. Hope things work out for you and BEST OF LUCK.from N CAL. |
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Charles Walker Member From: Chester, Virginia, USA |
posted 17 August 2004 03:41 PM
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Just wanted to say I too have sent Roy and e-mail and hope that it might help. I agree if we don't let these folk's know how we feel about psg in our music then it will surely die and that just can't happen |
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retcop88 unregistered |
posted 17 August 2004 03:54 PM
There are those who get on the Forum and make statements like the Steel Guitar has plenty of work.One who doesn't play I'm sure. That person won't jump in on this thread.I certainly won't spend any money to see RC or any of the Nashville crap. save a Steel,Ride a Nashville Record exec.. . ------------------ |
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Randy Gilliam Member From: San Antonio, Texas, USA |
posted 17 August 2004 03:59 PM
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No More Steel No More Roy Clark For Me.Randy In San Antonio. |
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MIKEHOLLAND Member From: stegenevievemo.usa |
posted 17 August 2004 04:16 PM
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Bob , sorry to hear about you're job. Keep one thing in mind. Nothing is ever as bad as it seems. I personaly wouldn't walk across the street to hear Roy Clark, but I would walk 5 miles to hear Roy Clarks steel player. |
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Lem Smith Member From: Fulton, MS. U.S.A. |
posted 17 August 2004 04:32 PM
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Bob, So sorry to hear about this. I have been waiting for you guys to get close enough to my area so I could come hear you. Now, if there's not going to be any steel in the show, I wouldn't walk in out of the rain to hear it! You're too great of a player to be out of it for long. You'll be with another band before you know it! Lem |
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Kevin Hatton Member From: Amherst, N.Y. |
posted 17 August 2004 04:36 PM
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I also just sent my email to Roy Clark him to please reconsider. Pedal steel guitar is a primary instrument to country music (not Les Paul guitars). |
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Joseph V. Sapp Member From: Fayetteville, Pa. |
posted 17 August 2004 04:40 PM
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Bob: I as well sent an E-Mail to Mr. Clark. I doubt if it will make a difference, and even if it would, when will the next ax fall?. Sort of makes ya gunshy. Folks such as yourself and Herby not working is beyond words or thoughts PERIOD !!! where do the rest of us fit in? far-far down the players list thats for sure. Better things are yet to come. God Bless. joe |
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Bob Hempker Member From: Hollister, Mo. |
posted 17 August 2004 05:39 PM
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Guys, I really appreciate the support. I wasn't posting this thing looking for sympathy or anything. Fact of the matter, I'm relieved it's soon gonna be over. One more person is supposed to be let go, according to the bandleader. I'm interested in seeing who it is. I don't like to see anyone lose their gig, especially me, but I'm interested in seeing who else gets the axe. We leave Thursday for 18 days on the road. I can't wait to sit on the bus and smile at him. I'm not a bit worried. I'll find work. I think this darn ship was sinking, anyway. I really do appreciate the kind things all you guys said. You don't know how much it means to me. |
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Samuel E. White Member From: Greeneville TN. |
posted 17 August 2004 05:46 PM
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I will not watch or listen to R. C. any more. I go to hear a band and when the wife and I walk in and there is no steel I tell her lets go we are not staying hear. No steel we don't stay.No steel means it is not country and that is what I want to hear. Merle Rcord a good freind of mine said and I agree with him if I have to play country rock I rather not play at all.What we have to do is boycott these bands that don't use a steel in it.I have seen two lead players and no steel. To me that is crazy put a steel where that second lead guitar is.They try to make a lead sound like a steel but they never will. Sam White [This message was edited by Samuel E. White on 17 August 2004 at 05:53 PM.] |
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Bryan Adams Member From: Mountain City, Tennessee, USA |
posted 17 August 2004 06:16 PM
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bobby, this is got to be the biggest bunch of crap i've ever heard...two fiddles and no steel??? that's un-american!!! all jokes aside i really hate to hear that for you, you are one of the greatest player's around...and a super nice guy...our music has really been taking a beating lately..steel has become a token instrument it seems, i don't even listen to radio much anymore..it's really bad..rascal flats?? a country group?? come on!! oh well it's all about money anyway...sorry bob...see ya..BA |
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Mike Archer Member From: Church Hill, Tennessee, USA |
posted 17 August 2004 06:29 PM
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bob sorry to hear about your gig I use to work for TG shepard and I got dumped about the same way I agree with herbie wallace about the work in pidgeon forge they dont give people who just play steel a chance they always made me feel like dirt as a steel player but thr lord will provide for you mabe a better gig |
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