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Topic: String breakage
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B Cole
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posted 08 May 2002 12:50 PM
On or about April 8 I posted that the carter guitar that my buddy bought was breaking 3rd stings. Now after hearing from Ann at carter she tells me this is not the case. Not to miss lead any one for I have not talked to my buddy to find out what he calls a lot of third strings nor do I know what gauge strings he was or is talking about. Whe I talk to Jamie Hurd this weekend I will get it straighteded out. Maybe my thoughts on a lot of strings is far diffrent from his or CartersBill |
Rick Collins
Member From: Claremont , CA USA
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posted 08 May 2002 01:14 PM
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...third string breaking on the E9th tuning? ...funny; I've never heard of such a thing.  |
Tony Prior
Member From: Charlotte NC
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posted 08 May 2002 05:19 PM
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On my Carter D10, I use Cobra .011 for the 3rd string, I can easily go 4 or 5 weeks with a good amount of practice before it breaks, maybe longer. I do also change the 3rd string a day or so before the weekend gig
and may or may not change it for the following weekend, it depends on gig smoke, sweat, humidity, pedal mashing, all that stuff. But you can get like two dozen for $8 so the cost is pretty low to play it safe. Also a good practice is to polish the finger bridge before placing a new string on the guitar as well. I have not experienced any out of the norm' string breakage on my Carter.
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B Cole
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posted 08 May 2002 06:25 PM
I never owned a carter but I borrowed one and I found it broke a few 3rd strings but I guess that is normal with most guitars except the Fessenden I have found they just do not break 3 rd strings I have been using an 11 but I am going to a 12 and see how long it last's I found the Carter to be a sweet playing guitar but I also found that the tone was not what I am looking for but again that is me and not my friend Jamie he loves both his Carters and would buy 2 more if he could.diffrten strokes for diffrent folksBill |
Al Marcus
Member From: Cedar Springs,MI USA
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posted 08 May 2002 07:53 PM
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I have owned 3 Carter guitars and have not broke any strings. However, I don't play 4 or 5 hours every day, so that might be it.
Every guitar will break strings if you play it a lot, except maybe the Superb Keyless Excel, and the Anapeg...al..... [This message was edited by Al Marcus on 08 May 2002 at 07:54 PM.] |
B Cole
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posted 08 May 2002 08:43 PM
Al not every guitar My Fessy don't break strings and I practice 7--8 hours every day and play most ever weekend. I change strings about every 4 weeks even if it don't need it. I don't play no C-6so the E-9 gets an awful work out. Have a good dayBill |
Al Udeen
Member From: maple grove mn usa
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posted 08 May 2002 10:20 PM
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Bill! this is nice to hear, as Jerry is building me a Fessy, Wow "No string breakage" I wont know how to act? au |
Keith DeLong
Member From: Dartmouth NS Canada
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posted 09 May 2002 04:02 AM
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I've had good luck with the George L Stainless Steel strings, haven't broken a third string since I put them on (touch wood)  |
Rick Collins
Member From: Claremont , CA USA
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posted 09 May 2002 07:53 AM
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On the Fender 1000 that I use for the Ralph Mooney stuff, I have actually broken four strings in sight of an hour,__pulling them up to an A. Do you think a .070W would pull up to that high A note? Seriously:
Do most of you use a .012 in that position? Thanks in advance, Rick |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 09 May 2002 08:53 AM
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You practice 7-8 hours every day, Bill? Wow! I'm lucky if I get that much practice time in a week! |
Michael Holland
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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posted 09 May 2002 08:56 AM
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I don't think it's that Brand A breaks strings and Brand B does not, it has to do with the condition of the finger. Tony touched on it with the "polish the finger" comment. If the surface is scored, you're going to break strings. I've been working on my Fessenden bridge to get the scoring out (polishing with simichrome), but there's still some there. And it has to do with the string spacing, too. If the string is positioned off to the side of the finger it may be on a smooth part and away from the scoring in the middle of the finger. I want my spacing to be even and consistent, so I always line up the strings in the middle of the finger, which also positions them consistently over the pole pieces of the pickup. Why do new guitars not break strings? No scoring. |
Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 09 May 2002 09:24 AM
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SIT sells a "reinforced" 12 gauge that I've had good luck with for the 3rd string.
Get ahold of Malcolm Kirby w/Discount Strings.
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Jim Smith
Member From: Plano, TX, USA
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posted 09 May 2002 09:42 AM
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I want my spacing to be even and consistent, so I always line up the strings in the middle of the finger
If you have some scoring you can't get out, you could move all strings to one side or another and still have consistent spacing. |
Matt Steindl
Member From: New Orleans, LA, USA
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posted 09 May 2002 09:44 AM
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I agree w/ Michael. Although I have had great luck w/ my Deckley(only broke 1 string since 12/2001), I know from the other stringed instruments that I play, that there is usually a reason for string breakage. If your axe is popping lots of strings, dont just trash the broke string and replace it. Take a close look at it and see where the break occured. W/ six string, if you have a guitar that is popping strings, it is probably either a problem w/ the nut or saddle. Take a close look and make sure there are no burs or imperfections. Another thing that I do on the b-bender on my Les Paul is put graphite or grease pencil on any part that the string rolls over or might have friction. It aint pretty, but its a lot better than having a string pop on stage. ------------------
Mattman in "The Big Sleazy"-:
S-10 Dekley, Suitcase Fender Rhodes, B-bender Les Paul |
Jim Smith
Member From: Plano, TX, USA
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posted 09 May 2002 09:54 AM
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I rarely break strings on my Dekley, in fact I once had a third string that lasted 14 months of six night/week playing. Of course it sounded terrible and the harmonic was almost a whole fret off, but I wanted to see how long it would last.One of the reasons Dekleys do so well on string breakage is the chromed steel changer fingers. My guitar is 22 years old and doesn't have the slightest sign of scoring on any of the fingers. ------------------
Jim Smith jimsmith94@charter.net
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-=Fessenden Ext. E9/U-13 8&8=- |
B Cole
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posted 09 May 2002 10:03 AM
Bobby Lee there are some days I practice more the 8 hours. You see when your retired and your wife still works so you can keep buying Equip. and you either watch the boob tube play on the computer or practice. so I choose to practice I know players that never get near the guitar from one weekend to the next BUT you can tell it too.Bill |
Al Udeen
Member From: maple grove mn usa
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posted 09 May 2002 11:35 AM
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Rick! If you can get a .012 up to a high A on a Fender 1000 I dont want to be in the same county whan you hit that pedal, I say dont even try it! au |
B Cole
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posted 09 May 2002 12:27 PM
Has anyone here tried a 12 on a 24 1/4 inch scale. I am going to but I sure don't want my hand to close if it goes. Damn that would smart.I will be changing strings next week.Bill |
Bob Leaman
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posted 09 May 2002 12:56 PM
I use a .012 for my third string (E9th) on my gearless Sierra D10. It does not break strings on its 25 inch scale neck. |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 09 May 2002 01:18 PM
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Let's see, 8 hours practicing, 8 hours on the Forum... Doesn't leave much time for anything else, does it Bill?  |
B Cole
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posted 09 May 2002 01:37 PM
Well Bobby if I spent 8hours or even4 hours on here I would be stark raving mad. This is what I do when I take a break like now. You see it is not my fault you and the rest cannot take the time to do as you please. But you hang in there and you can retire at a young age like I did and enjoy the things you like best. I happen to love the steel guitar and don't mind devoting a lot of time to it. As Bobb-eee Seamore once told me the only way to do it and do it well is do it all you can. Now I'm not really sure he was talking all about steel guitar but I took his advice and I do it ever sprare minute I have. The steel guitar that is
Have a great dayBill |
Rick Collins
Member From: Claremont , CA USA
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posted 09 May 2002 01:50 PM
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Rick! If you can get a .012 up to a high A on a Fender 1000 I dont want to be in the same county whan you hit that pedal
Yes Al, you are right. I did try it however, and it sent me from L.A. County to Orange County. I tune that string on the E9th to G#; but I don't pull it. It really limits you a great deal and I have to use a lot of slants; but I really love the sound of the Fender for this style of picking. Rick |
Bob Carlson
Member From: Surprise AZ.
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posted 09 May 2002 01:54 PM
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I NEVER break a 3rd string on my Emmons SD-10....while i'm sleeping. However, when I am playing it, I break one every now and then. Some last longer than others.I think breaking 3rd strings is one of those things that just comes with playing a steel guitar. Bob. |
Al Udeen
Member From: maple grove mn usa
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posted 09 May 2002 07:49 PM
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Rick! I cant imagine getting a lot of Mooneys licks without pulling the G# to A, Brumley tuned his Fender 1000 down to Eb & I saw him break one in 66, also, did you know that Mooney laid his amp face down, with lots of treble to get those early Buck & Wynn sounds? I dont want to sound like a know it all, but I cut my teeth in 59&60 playing that early West Coast stuff, when I lived out there! Too bad those great days are long gone! Regards! au |
Rick Collins
Member From: Claremont , CA USA
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posted 09 May 2002 08:14 PM
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Al,Again you are right, I can't hit a lot of the licks without the G# to A pull; but I get by with a few slants. Charlie Walker's "Pick Me Up On Your Way Down" (someone on the forum said J. Day cut that tune with him),__I condider those licks Mooney style also (could be mistaken). Thanks for the information about the amp;___now that's weird. Rick |
B Cole
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posted 09 May 2002 08:28 PM
I had read somewhere that Mooney layed his amp face down. I had a steel player with a Fender 1000 who tuned it to D and used banjo high G strings to get them to pull up that high the if I remeber right he still broke a lot of 3rd strings. But there was a lot of expermenting going on back in those daysNow everything is a given from what it was when Emmons and Green and a lot of the rest of them brought the steel guitar to what it is today. |
Michael Holland
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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posted 12 May 2002 08:55 AM
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Well, the Fessy's bridge is just about there.  It'll be ready to drop in the new True Tone pickup that's arriving this week. |
Al Udeen
Member From: maple grove mn usa
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posted 12 May 2002 10:45 AM
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Mike! your picture really hit the spot! |
B Cole
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posted 12 May 2002 04:12 PM
Mike what is a true tone pickup? I never heard no truer tone the the L710-8 |
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