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Topic: Magic Lick ???
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Rick Tyson
Member From: Ohio
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posted 22 July 2002 09:46 AM
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I hope I have this thread in the right topic area....
I had a fella come up to me after a show last week & ask me if I remember somthing called ,,,the magic or wonder or somthing lick. He said it was an old standard lick used by many steel players years ago as a lick to go to when all else failed??
Anyone know what he was talking about????------------------
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Jim Smith
Member From: Plano, TX, USA
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posted 22 July 2002 09:50 AM
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Maybe "The Amazing One Pedal, Two Finger, Three String Lick"?  |
Joey Ace
Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 22 July 2002 10:51 AM
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Jeff Newman refers to an O.B.A.I.L. scale in his C6 instruction. It serves the purpose you describe. Who knows what O.B.A.I.L. stands for??
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John Fabian
Member From: Mesquite, Texas USA
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posted 22 July 2002 10:53 AM
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O.B.A.I.L. = Oh Boy Am I LostJohn Fabian
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Jim Eaton
Member From: Santa Susana, Ca
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posted 22 July 2002 10:54 AM
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"Oh-Boy-Am-I-Lost"
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Steve Stallings
Member From: Bremond, Tx, pop 876, Home of the fighting Bremond Tigers
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posted 22 July 2002 10:54 AM
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They were referring to the one pedal, two finger, three sting lick. I believe it was on a course by Jimmy Crawford. It is also taught on the Bruce Boughton video.I doubt they were referring to the Newman lick, as tht is a C6 picking pattern. OBAIL stands for "Oh Boy Am I Lost"! ------------------
Steve Stallings
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Larry Bell
Member From: Englewood, Florida
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posted 22 July 2002 11:35 AM
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Not Jimmie C
Weldon and Hal Rugg developed what may have been the original speedpicking concept -- when they were having to back up a wide variety of acts on the Opry -- and published it under the name Jim Smith mentioned. I believe that Scotty and/or Tom Bradshaw still sell the tab/cassette. It qualifies as an OBAIL pattern as well. They use a dozen or so chord progressions and demonstrate how the lick can fit over most any pattern for the typical chords in any key. Not a gig has gone by (or hardly a set) in the past 25 years that I haven't used some variation of what I learned on that little mini-course. Worth its weight in gold. And, yes, Bruce Bouton has also gotten a lot of mileage out of it. Listen to the solo on "Highway 40 Blues". Great stuff.  ------------------
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Steve Stallings
Member From: Bremond, Tx, pop 876, Home of the fighting Bremond Tigers
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posted 22 July 2002 01:50 PM
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ooops...! yep you are right Larry. My old timers disease is kicking in ------------------
Steve Stallings
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Joey Ace
Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 22 July 2002 02:12 PM
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John wins the OBAIL prize.
Since he has everything already, I'll just say, "Congrats!".
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Kurt Graber
Member From: Wichita, KS, USA
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posted 22 July 2002 02:17 PM
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This Hal-Weldon Lick they are talking about is a lifesaver. I have got my money out of this one! If I could recommend any lick to learn it would be this one. It fits anywhere, sounds technically cool, and once you master it you can break it up to work in any situation. I've never heard it called a magic lick before but that name fits. |
Gaylon Mathews
Member From: Jasper, Georgia
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posted 22 July 2002 02:32 PM
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Now that it's been determined which lick it is, can someone tab it or tell us where we can hear it. Apparently I already know the lick if it's on Hwy 40 Blues but I'm not sure which one it is.------------------
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Jim Smith
Member From: Plano, TX, USA
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posted 22 July 2002 02:42 PM
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I'm at work, but I'm pretty sure the tab I have has "Emmons School of Pedal Steel Guitar" on it. You might check with the Emmons Company to get your copy. If I remember right, it came with a 45 RPM record, but I've probably misplaced mine. |
Larry Bell
Member From: Englewood, Florida
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posted 22 July 2002 03:13 PM
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It is sold by Scotty
Item #WMHR01 $12.00I have given students bits 'n' pieces but wouldn't give away the entire lick without them buying it from the original publisher. It's only 8 measures long but it IS MAGIC. (and WELL worth the 12 bucks) ------------------
Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
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Joey Ace
Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 22 July 2002 03:41 PM
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It's called
"The Amazing Speed Picking Course".Larry's stock number is correct. |
Rick Tyson
Member From: Ohio
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posted 22 July 2002 04:00 PM
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Awe comm-on Larry You can trust us for 12$ |
slick
Member From: Calhoun Georgia
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posted 22 July 2002 04:23 PM
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Larry,
Could you give me Scotty's phone# or address
i would like to order this.
Thanks
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Joey Ace
Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 22 July 2002 05:09 PM
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http://www.scottysmusic.com/ |
Doug Beaumier
Member From: Northampton, MA
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posted 22 July 2002 09:12 PM
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I agree with Larry and others... it IS a golden riff! I bought the little 45 rpm record and tab 25 years ago when it was called "The Amazing One Pedal, Two Finger, Three String Lick" and I think I've used the riff in some form on almost every gig I've played since then. That riff is the basis for Weldon's tune HOT FOOT which is tabbed out in Mel Bay's Anthology of Pedal Steel Guitar. It's an extended major scale speed pattern running down the entire fretboard. (if you start it 3 frets higher it's a minor run...) oops, I'm giving away too much, sorry!  If you like E9 speedpicking order this item from Scotty. It will be the best $12 you ever spend.
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Rick Tyson
Member From: Ohio
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posted 22 July 2002 10:24 PM
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Well after pulling my hair out & going through a ton of old material, I found the magic lick in some old tab material I have. Very simple to play and most usefull & yes worth 12$
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Smiley Roberts
Member From: Hendersonville,Tn. 37075
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posted 22 July 2002 11:02 PM
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Check out Weldon's break on Tommy Overstreet's recording of,"If Love Was A Bottle Of Wine",on Dot Records. It took me 3 days to learn it,& THEN,the first time I played it on stage,I BLEW IT. Talk about embarrassed.....!  But,I got it now. ------------------
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Robert Todd
Member From: Atlanta, Georgia USA
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posted 23 July 2002 07:12 AM
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fellows the lick is very easyIt involves strings 5 6 and 7 and the pedal is the B pedal that raises the G# to A The bar is used to emulate a pedal as well In the key of G
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
5-X-----X-----X--------X-------X----------X
6-X-----X(b)--b--------X-------X(b)-------b
7-X-----X-----X--------X-------X----------X
An example of the bar slide to simulate the A pedal would be
3 3 2 1 15 X--------------------
6 ----X~~~~~~~~~~~X----
7 ---------------------X
If played rapidly this should sound like rocking off the A pedal at the 10th fret No I didn't buy the course, but I thiink this is what they're talking about. [This message was edited by Robert Todd on 23 July 2002 at 07:15 AM.]
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Chris Forbes
Member From: Beltsville, MD, USA
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posted 24 July 2002 05:54 AM
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Thanks for the tab, I'm going to see if I have enough time tonight to try it out. This is the first I've ever heard of it, although I suspect I've heard it before and just didn't know it was referred to as the "magic lick." |
Robert Todd
Member From: Atlanta, Georgia USA
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posted 24 July 2002 02:40 PM
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Chris I'm not sure what the "magic lick" is but there a thousands of G major scale licks in those positions above. try it over an uoptempo number like rocky top |
Frank Parish
Member From: Nashville,Tn. USA
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posted 24 July 2002 03:24 PM
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Doug had it right.
It starts at the 15th fret and ends at the 1rst fret. I couldn't make sense of the tab but what do I know? Try that same lick on the back neck now and see where it ends up! I still use this lick all the time and wish there were more. It was on a 45 rpm record and some one page tab. |
Reggie Duncan
Member From: Mississippi
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posted 24 July 2002 04:04 PM
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I bought this course in 1975, or so and it opened up the world to me. I use it every night in one form or another. One side of the record was Hal or Weldon playing with the rhythm track and the other was just the rhythm track. THE BEST EVER!!!!!!!!!
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Boo Bernstein
Member From: Los Angeles, CA
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posted 27 July 2002 07:10 PM
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I know this lick, however, I can't seem to find a real comfortable way to pick it -- if you do thumb, finger, thumb (cross over) the thumb is hitting the 6th string before sliding down and it doesn't feel comfortable. I would like to hear how others play this. Thanks, Boo |
Reggie Duncan
Member From: Mississippi
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posted 27 July 2002 10:09 PM
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Just thumb and index finger, no crossover. |
chris ivey
Member From: sacramento, ca. usa
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posted 28 July 2002 06:59 AM
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...now try to run it continually through a whole fiddle tune with key changes, crazy progression and 200 miles an hour with no glitch like weldon did every night live at the opry........very underrated picker....he needs to know he influenced me as much as any steel god! |
Larry Bell
Member From: Englewood, Florida
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posted 28 July 2002 07:57 AM
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chris -- ME TOO. Weldon is great. And, as someone mentioned, he uses it on both necks. We universal players understand that the A to Bb lever on C6 is the same function as the B pedal on E9, when playing out of the F9 position with P6 engaged. Well . . . there it is.Reggie,
We may be hung up in terminology, but there is what I call crossover (TFT) on it -- rapid fire forward pattern on the 7th, 6th, 5th strings where the thumb crosses over the finger. Weldon plays it TMT. I play it TIT, but I'll bet Joe Wright would play it TIM. Whatever floats yer boat, as long as it comes out clean. ------------------
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Joe Casey
Member From: Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)
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posted 29 July 2002 06:38 AM
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I have a copy off Weldons "Love is a bottle of wine "Break. also a copy of Smiley doing it on a Live T.O show. Smiley nailed it note fer note.------------------
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