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Topic: Tuning pegs
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John Steele
Member From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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posted 25 January 2003 12:01 PM
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I have a steel with wierd tuners on it. They are Kluson deluxe tuners, and look exactly like most, with one difference.
Instead of there being a hole drilled right through the shaft perpendicular to the shaft itself, it has a slot cut perpendicular across the end with a hole drilled right directly into the end of the shaft, where you insert the end of the string. What the deal on that, anyway ?
Changing strings on a dark bandstand is a complete pain in the neck. Even changing a set under no pressure at home is a pain too, as the string you just put on gets in the way of installing the next one.
These are only on the E9 neck, the C6 neck has regular ones.
Can you change out the shafts only ?
Very wierd.
-John [This message was edited by John Steele on 25 January 2003 at 12:01 PM.] |
Kenny Davis
Member From: Great State of Oklahoma
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posted 25 January 2003 09:33 PM
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John - Sounds like the ones on my Fender Mustang guitar... |
Ricky Davis
Moderator From: Spring, Texas USA
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posted 26 January 2003 01:12 AM
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Yes John those are from a regular Fender guitar....and someone replaced the originals with those.
It is very hard if not possible to change the shaft.
Allparts.com has Kluson tuners with the right hole in the shaft and they ain't that expensive....I'd just replace them with the correct ones....or ask someone if they have regular Kluson tuners from an oringinal Emmons.
Ricky |
John Lacey
Member From: Black Diamond, Alberta, Canada
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posted 26 January 2003 04:19 AM
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It sounds like Mike Cass or someone replaced the regular Klusons with Ping's or some such. They are good quality tuners, but there's a trick to them. I string my guitar up strings 1-4, then go over and do 10-7 to avoid the overlap problem. I left the old Kluson on the 3rd. string because of the frequency of change. Apparently Kluson's back in business. http://www.kluson.com/index.htm |
Joey Ace
Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 26 January 2003 06:20 AM
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Fender calls those "Vintage Tuning Pegs".
Here's a picture of one on my Tele.
 I like them because there's no sharp string end sticking out to scratch you or your guitar. I've never seen them on a steel. I can see where threading the string would be a hassel at the angle on a steel. I'd replace them. Maybe a guitar shop would allow a trade-in. |
Emmett Roch
Member From: Dripping Springs, Texas
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posted 26 January 2003 07:34 AM
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I replaced the 3rd one on my steel with a Spertzel. I can change that pesky .11 before the song is over now.------------------
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Donny Hinson
Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 26 January 2003 11:21 AM
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Yes, those are old Fender keys, and the secret to using them is to pull the string out straight about 2" past the key, then make a right-angle bend there. Then you cut the string off leaving about 3/8" past where the bend is, stick it in the hole, and start crankin'. They would prevent scratches on the steel from the cut end, and they don't tend to slip as easily. I've never seen them on a steel before, though! |
Jon Light
Member From: Brooklyn, NY
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posted 26 January 2003 11:30 AM
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Hey Emmett--I've written some long posts on the subject of Spertzels on steel (I assume you're talking about locking tuners). I wanted to order my guitar with a full set of them but was talked out of it with a logic that makes a whole lot of sense to me. This logic would expect extreme string breakage due to the lack of wraps around the post--the string would be coming off of a chamfered hole at one half the radius of the post itself. Ergo breako. But more important--in the real world how is it working out? I'll take real physics over charts and diagrams any day. |
John Steele
Member From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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posted 26 January 2003 12:22 PM
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Thanks, one and all.
Joey, those are the ones, exactly. I'd never seen them before.
John, you got it. I learned that for the second set of strings I had to put on! 1-5, then 10-6.
I think Emmett's suggestion might be the best for me. I can put up with it at home, but changing thirds on the bandstand is enough of a pain without the tuner being difficult. So, I'll look for a single one the third string.
Thanks, guys !
-John |
Glenn Austin
Member From: Montreal, Canada
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posted 26 January 2003 06:43 PM
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John, You could get a pack of Ping tuners (Kluson lookalikes) at Steves Music in Ottawa. I think a set of six is 30 bucks. |
John Steele
Member From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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posted 29 January 2004 03:36 PM
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I've bumped this old thread up.
I finally got around to changing these pegs... I bought a set of Grover tuners which appeared to be a knock-off of the original klusons. When I went to install them, I found the shaft of the peg is actually slightly longer than the originals, meaning that they won't fit. The two pegs at the end (for strings 5 & 6) touch, and don't have enough room.
It's not a problem, I can return them and pick up a set of pings.. but I thought I'd mention it in case anyone is going through the same thing.
-John ------------------
www.ottawajazz.com [This message was edited by John Steele on 29 January 2004 at 03:36 PM.] |
John Lacey
Member From: Black Diamond, Alberta, Canada
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posted 30 January 2004 03:47 AM
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John, I guess the correct replacements that should be the right length on strings 5&6 are made by Gotoh. "All Parts #TK 0875-001 "3x3 Gotoh Kluson Style Nickel." I ordered some from L&M but they took to bloody long, so I'll have to figure another source. |
Emmett Roch
Member From: Dripping Springs, Texas
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posted 30 January 2004 10:32 AM
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I've heard those referred to as Fender "safety tuners". Jon--it's still working great. ------------------
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Robert Porri
Member From: Windsor, Connecticut, USA
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posted 30 January 2004 04:53 PM
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I posted to the wrong thread. I'm moving the post.Bob P.[This message was edited by Robert Porri on 30 January 2004 at 10:06 PM.] |
John Steele
Member From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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posted 01 March 2004 02:39 PM
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At long last, I finally got this straightened out.
After a dozen trips, only to come home with the wrong thing, I finally wised up and called Al Brisco at Steel Guitars of Canada. Al's lightning fast service has me looking at a new set of Gotoh tuners... they're just right. You were right John L.
Thanks all, they're going on tonight.
-John |
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