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Topic: Where all SHoBud Crossovers Baldwin Made
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Daniel J. Cormier
Member From: Lake Charles, LA, USA
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posted 26 June 2003 03:26 PM
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Where all Crossover guitars made during the Baldwin Period .------------------
Daniel J. Cormier
Mullens D-10 8/7,GFI D-10 8/5 ,Tubefex, Peavey Sessions 400,Peavey 212 Transtube,Nasville 1000,Peavey 400 Limited. |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 26 June 2003 06:21 PM
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In Nashville, I think. |
Dave Robbins
Member From: Nashville, Tnn. USA
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posted 26 June 2003 09:09 PM
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In Nashville, I think.
Mine was. Dave |
KENNY FORBESS
Member From: peckerwood point, w. tn.
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posted 27 June 2003 06:26 AM
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Mine too,
Kenny |
Al Udeen
Member From: maple grove mn usa
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posted 27 June 2003 07:24 AM
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David Jackson was building the crossovers out on Dickerson Road in Nashville, I got the first Sunburst one there in 69, au |
Hal Higgins
Member From: Denham Springs, LA
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posted 27 June 2003 07:51 PM
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Yep it was David Jackson alright....I had a blonde BE maple...was a great guitar. HAL------------------
Be Blessed........HAL
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BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 27 June 2003 08:13 PM
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Baldwin Crossover steels were designed in '66 totally by David Jackson and on the market in Feb. 67 last ones made in '69. These guitars were made along with a very few perminent guitars and several finger tip steels. It might be said that these were the Sho-Bud "catch up" years. Emmons was kicking their butts at this time and most all the pros were leaving Sho-Bud. Zane Beck had left the company to build the Z-B steel guitar. The Super Pro was the last effort to stem the tide but Sho-Bud never really got the "King of the Hill" title back. However several great models were conceived in the mid seventys.(Pro II, Pro III, The LDG,Fender,Super Pro) and the quanity he sold was tremendous, many times more than Emmons, however, not sold to the old pros he wanted to have play them.
David Jackson got tired of the fighting in the mid '80s and sold everything to Fred Grestch and myself.
He's now happy and driving his own great tour bus(that he built) around the "gospel circuit", his wife being the "Star singer". I don't think he's getting paid.(Ha ha)
A shame he's not still in the steel business, he is a great designer/builder in my and most folks opinion. Bobbe |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 27 June 2003 08:23 PM
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Al Udeen is correct. Made in north Nashville at the corner of Dickerson road and Due West Blvd. Right next to Starday recording studios. Another piece of country music history. All but the last seven were built here, then the company moved to downtown eighth ave. The Professional was made at this time by leaving off 50% of the Crossover parts and going back to the individual aluminum end castings. Actually, the "The Professional" Sho-Bud is just a lightened and modified Baldwin Crossover.
Thank goodness for the lightened part! |
Gary Walker
Member From: Morro Bay, CA
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posted 27 June 2003 08:52 PM
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In April of '73 I was visiting a friend Jack Boles at the Sho-Bud store on Broadway and wandered upstairs and saw the crossover that Curly had turned in after going to MSA. I recognized it from the special array of knee levers that Curly had. The front apron was damaged from a bad fall but I would've loved to own that ax because of who owned it and the history of recordings made on it. I still think of it 30 years later and I could have Bobbe restore it. There are a few regrets in life and that is one of mine. |
Lem Smith
Member From: Fulton, MS. U.S.A.
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posted 27 June 2003 10:06 PM
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Oh my!!! 
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Actually, the "The Professional" Sho-Bud is just a lightened and modified Baldwin Crossover.
The Sho~Bud Professional that I had still weighed a ton! If that's the case, I'm sure glad I never had to lug a Crossover model around! Lem |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 28 June 2003 07:55 AM
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Yes Lem, The Baldwin crossover would weigh in at 95 lbs.with the volume pedal, picks and bar at this period of time. 95 pounds, lift that over into a Cadillac trunk. I was "road musicaning" at that time and had to fly with mine everywhere. It made a Maverick lover out of me! |
Chris Forbes
Member From: Beltsville, MD, USA
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posted 28 June 2003 08:19 AM
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Oy vey!!!!! I have a '72 Professional that doesn't leave the house w/o a hand truck! I can't imagine anything even heavier, ouch![This message was edited by Chris Forbes on 28 June 2003 at 08:20 AM.] |
Fred Layman
Member From: Springfield, Missouri USA
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posted 30 June 2003 08:46 PM
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I bought one that had been badly messed up and needed a thorough rehab. While I had it apart I weighed the metal frame = 10 lbs itself. |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 30 June 2003 09:03 PM
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Just the shadow weighed ten pounds on the first one I had Fred! Ha! sEymour[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 30 June 2003 at 09:04 PM.] |
Joe Henry
Member From: Ebersberg, Germany
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posted 01 July 2003 11:03 AM
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Well the Professional is not light of course but not really THAT heavy... it seems to me... or maybe itīs just that Iīm getting more and more used to it.
What I would like to know, if you leave the Crossover mechanism aside, is the pulling mechanism (rack and barrel) exactly the same on the Crossover as on the Professional, or are there some differences?Regards, Joe H. |
Jack Anderson
Member From: Scarborough, ME
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posted 01 July 2003 01:17 PM
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The racks and the barrels are the same. |
Don Olson
Member From: Muscatine,Ia. USA
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posted 01 July 2003 05:36 PM
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I bought my first steel from David Jackson at the Chicago Music show in 1969,it was a crossover probably the best looking Guitar I have had and it did have a great sound but the barrels gave me problems slipping and don't break the little set screws or your screwed.Other then that it was a fine Guitar.
It was a natural top and rosewood front.
Don |
KENNY FORBESS
Member From: peckerwood point, w. tn.
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posted 01 July 2003 08:05 PM
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Bobbe,a picture of mine weighs 4 lbs.  ------------------
66 Emmons D-10 bolt-on
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Wayne Cox
Member From: Chatham, Louisiana, USA
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posted 01 July 2003 09:30 PM
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I owned a custom-built D-12 Sho-Bud Professional built by David Jackson and the Sho-Bud dream team. Although it was a beautiful,well-made instrument,the weight of that thing is what drove me to play a S-12 for the next 15-20 years. I remember Duane Marrs telling me that the D-12 was about the same weight as a D-10 crossover. My heart goes out to anyone who may have owned one. P.S. I know a good Chiropractor.
~~W.C.~~ |
Marco Schouten
Member From: Amsterdam, The Netherlands
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posted 01 July 2003 11:03 PM
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Take off the C6th neck and the weight will be very accaptable.------------------
Steelin' Greetings
Marco Schouten
Sho-Bud LLG; Sho-Bud Pro III Custom; Guyatone 6 string lap steel; John Pearse bar; Emmons bar; Panther amp |
Lem Smith
Member From: Fulton, MS. U.S.A.
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posted 02 July 2003 10:41 AM
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Bobbe said...
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95 pounds, lift that over into a Cadillac trunk.
Guess that kills the old joke about things you never heard said to a steel player. Lem |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 02 July 2003 10:54 AM
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Lem, it was a very old Cadillac! (Ha!)
What Marco said is a great idea, it will make your guitar a lot more valuable also.
Ask Lloyd![This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 02 July 2003 at 10:55 AM.] |
Joe Henry
Member From: Ebersberg, Germany
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posted 02 July 2003 10:56 AM
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Take off the C6th neck and the weight will be very accaptable.
IF you donīt play C6, that is... But those old ShoBuds have such a wonderful C6 sound! |
Robert Baringer
Member From: Stroudsburg, PA, USA
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posted 03 July 2003 05:14 PM
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I bought a new "crossover" from the store I was associated with that sold Baldwin, it did sound good but I had continuous trouble with it detuning, had it back to shobud many times and each time they changed something but it never worked out, I know where there is one under a bed that is like new(not mine) anyone know about what it is worth? appreciate info...Bob... |
Frank Parish
Member From: Nashville,Tn. USA
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posted 04 July 2003 09:15 AM
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One thing about these heavy old guitars at least on my Pro II is there's zero cabinet drop. The drop is in the back of the guy that carries it around and yes I see a chiropractor weekly! |
Michael Douchette
Member From: Gallatin, TN
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posted 06 July 2003 06:53 AM
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I have one of the very first ones, from '67; it has the older parts underneath, before they changed over to using brass innards... it sure is a wonderful guitar.Mikey |
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