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John McGann
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From: Boston, Massachusetts, USA

posted 25 November 2003 01:44 PM     profile     
The "other" pedal being:
9th string lower whole tone
8th, 7th and 6th raise a half


Having spent a little time talking to Doug Jernigan at the CT. show, I decided to go for it and try out the p4 change he has been using "for 25 years and wouldn't go back"... I know Jimmy Crawford used it in the "Manual of Style", Buddy Cage lists it, etc. I ordered the gear from Carter, and popped it on on Sunday. it's very cool, a but heavier than the other pedals- I'm getting

Eb7 #11 13 -a bit muddy in open position but up the neck it's great.
Root on 9th string gives a nice I to bVII
Root on 10th, say at 12th fret, gives a nice I, then 11th fret p4 gives II7 #11 13 (Nice A Train progression!) normally found on p5 w/ 4th string lower but the voicing is a little better I think...

The missing major 7th voicing that was availble with the 4th string raise (with the nice min or 2nd on top) is now available P4+P5, strings 8 7 6 5, a fret below the 9th string root form (for C, it'd be 9th string root at the 7th fret, then drop down to fret 6, P4+P5, strings 8 7 6 5).

With the 4th string lower, you can get Eb triad and 6th voicings (bar position/open position)...

Bbm6/ Dbm7b5 strings 8765
Dbmaj7 7643 w/ 4th string lower

I know I am just scratching the surface, anybody else using this pedal? Wanna talk chords?

BTW I love "simple" country, the old shuffles and classic stuff from the Bob Dunn (rockin!) stuff through Joaquin (!!!) through the classic E9 playing...players like John Hughey, who can REALLY play both necks with equal fluency, astound me...as a middle-aged (44) guy who is new to the D10, I have to say that this world of music is fantastic, and the instrument has so many surprises...I'm happy to hear the first thirty years are the hardest, by the time it's easy I'll be numb enough to enjoy myself

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David L. Donald
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From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

posted 25 November 2003 02:21 PM     profile     
I spoke with Doug at ISGC and tried this when I got back, after some parts were built.

I think it's a very cool change, I have fit i in once or twice, but it will grow on me I am sure.
I might want that to be a b13 above, but so far it's very interesting.

Funny, I had it one and then got the manual of style and went... hey wait a minute...

I will be re reading you analysis , when I am less tired.

John McGann
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From: Boston, Massachusetts, USA

posted 25 November 2003 02:34 PM     profile     
one more: if you have the 3rd st raise 1/2 and 4th str lower 1/2 w/ pedals 4 and 5, 1/2 step below the 9th string root maj 7 form- wow! 357195 of the major 7th- nice voicing!
John McGann
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From: Boston, Massachusetts, USA

posted 29 November 2003 08:39 AM     profile     
any other users of this pedal?
Buck Dilly
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From: Branchville, NJ, USA

posted 30 November 2003 10:44 AM     profile     
I bought Doug's Jazz book/CD while in Norwalk, Conn. and have been puzzled by this change. I may give it a whirl, since I was blown away by the changes he was using. Wish me luck.
John McGann
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From: Boston, Massachusetts, USA

posted 30 November 2003 10:59 AM     profile     
I got the book as well, it doesn't seem like a very often used pedal in the same way 5 and 6 are, but I've been using it a lot- working up an arrangement of Days of Wine and Roses, and the big dom7#11 sounds great on that pedal...slightly different voicing than pedal 6 plus 3rd string lower...

Switching the pedal over on the Carter was very easy, just popped on the needed bell cranks, a re-rod of pedal 8 to make room for the new changes, and away we go...

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