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Paul O'Bryan
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From: Adelaide. Australia

posted 26 November 2003 10:09 PM     profile     
Can anyone tell me what this pedal is used for.Do you use it in a single note fashion or a chord? Maybe someone can give me a lick
using the pedal to show how its used.
Thanks.
Ricky Davis
Moderator

From: Spring, Texas USA

posted 26 November 2003 10:21 PM     profile     
Yeah sure here ya go>
http://users.interlinks.net/rebel/steel/ajfarewell2.html
This was my feeble attempt to tab Paul Franklin back several years ago...before I even knew anyone was using or had this change.
Ricky
Tony Prior
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From: Charlotte NC

posted 27 November 2003 03:20 AM     profile     
Just add it..you won't be sorry..

T

[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 07 December 2003 at 06:55 AM.]

Franklin
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From:

posted 27 November 2003 04:55 AM     profile     

Various chord groups open up with this change. It is important to note that Tommy White and I split the change. Its sort of like the Day/Buddy thing. I have always raised the seventh a whole tone to achieve the split fourth pedal affect. I do believe Tommy uses the best option by splitting that change into two pedals.

Paul

Johan Jansen
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From: Europe

posted 27 November 2003 05:09 AM     profile     
Paul, please can you explain how you split it, and which string on on what pedal/knee etc?
Thanks, Johan
Tony Dingus
Member

From: Kingsport, Tennessee, USA

posted 27 November 2003 09:32 AM     profile     
Here's one I heard Mike Johnson use.
1st string raises a whole tone.(another PF change)

1_____8R--8____________________
2___________________________
3__8_________________________
4____________8--------------8
5______________8--8L-------8
6____________________8L--8

Tony

[This message was edited by Tony Dingus on 27 November 2003 at 09:33 AM.]

[This message was edited by Tony Dingus on 27 November 2003 at 09:34 AM.]

Bobby Boggs
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From: Pendleton SC

posted 27 November 2003 07:12 PM     profile     
Johan: Paul wrote:

quote:
I have always raised the seventh a whole tone to achieve the split fourth pedal affect.

See this link for his copendent. http://b0b.com/tunings/franklin.htm

I'm thinking he has deleted the 6th string G# to F# lower on the 4th pedal on most or some of his guitars.I say this because he lowers the middle G# to E.(LKV)This change requires a lower return compensator.And since a Franklin only has double lower changer.Well, you run out of holes on the changer.Just my take on this.Maybe it's good for a bump anyway?? ...................bb

[This message was edited by Bobby Boggs on 27 November 2003 at 07:18 PM.]

Paul O'Bryan
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From: Adelaide. Australia

posted 28 November 2003 05:56 PM     profile     
Thanks guys for all the reply's.Sure gives me something to work with.
Thanks.
Al Marcus
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From: Cedar Springs,MI USA

posted 29 November 2003 12:08 PM     profile     
I split that G# to F# and B to A on two opposite knee levers on my E6-E9-E13 "Real Universal" it then works with P5, P6 also when I am playing E6 stuff. I wouldn't know what to do without them on my old standards......al

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Jerry Brightman
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From:

posted 29 November 2003 12:43 PM     profile     
Hi,

I use this change a little different:
I lower 5 and 10 a whole step on the first floor pedal, and then moved 2,3,and 4, over one place to the right using the Emmons set-up. I then lower the 6th string a whole tone on my right knee, left. This allows me to use the splits as Paul meantioned that Tommy uses, but I also use it for some speed licks which seems to allow me a little more control as opposed to using a knee lever...

Here's my chart for anyone interested...BTW, Hi Paul! Sorry we keep missing each other on the phone...
http://slidestation.com/Endorsements/jerrys_Pedal%20Set-up.htm

Jerry
http://www.slidestation.com

Franklin
Member

From:

posted 02 December 2003 06:32 AM     profile     
Bobby,
I did not do away with the G# lower on the fourth pedal. I also lower it to E.
I skip the 6th string and raise the 7th a whole tone when I desire the split fourth pedal sound.


KEY of "F" slide whole phrase

4---8------6-------6(K-lower)---
5---8(P4)--6-------6------------
6-------------------------------
7---8(KW)--6(KW)---6------------

K-Lower = lowers 1/2 tone
KW = Whole tone raise
P4 = is pedal that drops 5,6, and 10 a whole tone.

Paul

Earnest Bovine
Member

From: Los Angeles CA USA

posted 02 December 2003 09:59 AM     profile     
Cool. The notes are

C Bb A
F F F
E D C

On Tommy White's setup

4(E) 8 6 6-
5(B) 8-- 6 6
6(G#) 8 6 6--

or

2(D#) 8+ 6+ 6
5(B) 8-- 6 6
6(G#) 8 6 6--

or 3 options on my setup


5(B) 10+++ 9++ 8++
6(G#) 10- 9 8+
7(F#) 10 9- 8--

or

5(B) 10+++ 8+++ 8++
6(G#) 10- 8+ 8+
7(F#) 10 8 8--

or

4(E) 6++ 6 4+
5(B) 6 6 4++
6(G#) 6++ 6 4

It sounds nice with the C,Bb,A an octave lower, leaving the common tone F on top:


F F F
E D C
C Bb A

6(G#) 10- 8+ 8+
7(F#) 10 8 8--
9(D) 10 8 8-

and also nice to include the passing tones


F F F F F
E D# D Db C
C B Bb Bb A

6(G#) 10- 9 8+ 8+ 8+
7(F#) 10 9 8 8- 8--
9(D) 10 9 8 8 8-


Franklin
Member

From:

posted 02 December 2003 10:14 AM     profile     
Ernest,
I really like the sound of common tone options over most chord passages. I call the use of such common tones "pivoting" and had fun teaching it on the new video. The study of harmony is endless. Piano knowledge is a plus for studying harmonic rules because everything is right there in plain sight.....Bill Evans is one of my main inspirations....Paul

[This message was edited by Franklin on 02 December 2003 at 10:19 AM.]

Brandon Housewright
Member

From: Statesboro, Georgia, USA

posted 02 December 2003 10:29 AM     profile     
Paul,
If you like Bill Evans as I do, may I suggest the albums "Undercurrent" and "Intermodulation" that he did with the guitarist Jim Hall. Just Bill and Jim as a duo. Haunting beautiful music! Essential for Bill Evans fan IMHO (or just plain MUSIC fan) .
Franklin
Member

From:

posted 03 December 2003 01:47 PM     profile     
Brandon....Going to Tower...................Thanks, Paul

[This message was edited by Franklin on 03 December 2003 at 02:00 PM.]

Brandon Housewright
Member

From: Statesboro, Georgia, USA

posted 04 December 2003 01:26 PM     profile     
No problem. Always glad to help folks who like the same music I do .
David L. Donald
Member

From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

posted 05 December 2003 03:09 AM     profile     
Yes those are both fantastic albums, from fantastic players.
I can hear Paul absorbing Jim Hall licks in my head already!

I like this pedal a lot too.

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 05 December 2003 at 03:10 AM.]

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