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Topic: Franklin 4th pedal ?
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Paul O'Bryan Member From: Adelaide. Australia
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posted 26 November 2003 10:09 PM
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Can anyone tell me what this pedal is used for.Do you use it in a single note fashion or a chord? Maybe someone can give me a lick using the pedal to show how its used. Thanks. |
Ricky Davis Moderator From: Spring, Texas USA
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posted 26 November 2003 10:21 PM
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Yeah sure here ya go> http://users.interlinks.net/rebel/steel/ajfarewell2.html This was my feeble attempt to tab Paul Franklin back several years ago...before I even knew anyone was using or had this change. Ricky |
Tony Prior Member From: Charlotte NC
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posted 27 November 2003 03:20 AM
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Just add it..you won't be sorry..T[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 07 December 2003 at 06:55 AM.] |
Franklin Member From:
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posted 27 November 2003 04:55 AM
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Various chord groups open up with this change. It is important to note that Tommy White and I split the change. Its sort of like the Day/Buddy thing. I have always raised the seventh a whole tone to achieve the split fourth pedal affect. I do believe Tommy uses the best option by splitting that change into two pedals. Paul |
Johan Jansen Member From: Europe
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posted 27 November 2003 05:09 AM
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Paul, please can you explain how you split it, and which string on on what pedal/knee etc? Thanks, Johan |
Tony Dingus Member From: Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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posted 27 November 2003 09:32 AM
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Here's one I heard Mike Johnson use. 1st string raises a whole tone.(another PF change) 1_____8R--8____________________ 2___________________________ 3__8_________________________ 4____________8--------------8 5______________8--8L-------8 6____________________8L--8 Tony [This message was edited by Tony Dingus on 27 November 2003 at 09:33 AM.] [This message was edited by Tony Dingus on 27 November 2003 at 09:34 AM.] |
Bobby Boggs Member From: Pendleton SC
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posted 27 November 2003 07:12 PM
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Johan: Paul wrote: quote: I have always raised the seventh a whole tone to achieve the split fourth pedal affect.
See this link for his copendent. http://b0b.com/tunings/franklin.htm I'm thinking he has deleted the 6th string G# to F# lower on the 4th pedal on most or some of his guitars.I say this because he lowers the middle G# to E.(LKV)This change requires a lower return compensator.And since a Franklin only has double lower changer.Well, you run out of holes on the changer.Just my take on this.Maybe it's good for a bump anyway?? ...................bb [This message was edited by Bobby Boggs on 27 November 2003 at 07:18 PM.] |
Paul O'Bryan Member From: Adelaide. Australia
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posted 28 November 2003 05:56 PM
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Thanks guys for all the reply's.Sure gives me something to work with. Thanks. |
Al Marcus Member From: Cedar Springs,MI USA
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posted 29 November 2003 12:08 PM
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I split that G# to F# and B to A on two opposite knee levers on my E6-E9-E13 "Real Universal" it then works with P5, P6 also when I am playing E6 stuff. I wouldn't know what to do without them on my old standards......al ------------------ My Website..... www.cmedic.net/~almarcus/ |
Jerry Brightman Member From:
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posted 29 November 2003 12:43 PM
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Hi,I use this change a little different: I lower 5 and 10 a whole step on the first floor pedal, and then moved 2,3,and 4, over one place to the right using the Emmons set-up. I then lower the 6th string a whole tone on my right knee, left. This allows me to use the splits as Paul meantioned that Tommy uses, but I also use it for some speed licks which seems to allow me a little more control as opposed to using a knee lever... Here's my chart for anyone interested...BTW, Hi Paul! Sorry we keep missing each other on the phone... http://slidestation.com/Endorsements/jerrys_Pedal%20Set-up.htm Jerry http://www.slidestation.com |
Franklin Member From:
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posted 02 December 2003 06:32 AM
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Bobby, I did not do away with the G# lower on the fourth pedal. I also lower it to E. I skip the 6th string and raise the 7th a whole tone when I desire the split fourth pedal sound. KEY of "F" slide whole phrase4---8------6-------6(K-lower)--- 5---8(P4)--6-------6------------ 6------------------------------- 7---8(KW)--6(KW)---6------------ K-Lower = lowers 1/2 tone KW = Whole tone raise P4 = is pedal that drops 5,6, and 10 a whole tone.
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Earnest Bovine Member From: Los Angeles CA USA
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posted 02 December 2003 09:59 AM
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Cool. The notes are C Bb A F F F E D C
On Tommy White's setup 4(E) 8 6 6- 5(B) 8-- 6 6 6(G#) 8 6 6--
or 2(D#) 8+ 6+ 6 5(B) 8-- 6 6 6(G#) 8 6 6--
or 3 options on my setup 5(B) 10+++ 9++ 8++ 6(G#) 10- 9 8+ 7(F#) 10 9- 8--
or 5(B) 10+++ 8+++ 8++ 6(G#) 10- 8+ 8+ 7(F#) 10 8 8--
or 4(E) 6++ 6 4+ 5(B) 6 6 4++ 6(G#) 6++ 6 4
It sounds nice with the C,Bb,A an octave lower, leaving the common tone F on top: F F F E D C C Bb A6(G#) 10- 8+ 8+ 7(F#) 10 8 8-- 9(D) 10 8 8-
and also nice to include the passing tones F F F F F E D# D Db C C B Bb Bb A6(G#) 10- 9 8+ 8+ 8+ 7(F#) 10 9 8 8- 8-- 9(D) 10 9 8 8 8-
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Franklin Member From:
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posted 02 December 2003 10:14 AM
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Ernest, I really like the sound of common tone options over most chord passages. I call the use of such common tones "pivoting" and had fun teaching it on the new video. The study of harmony is endless. Piano knowledge is a plus for studying harmonic rules because everything is right there in plain sight.....Bill Evans is one of my main inspirations....Paul [This message was edited by Franklin on 02 December 2003 at 10:19 AM.]
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Brandon Housewright Member From: Statesboro, Georgia, USA
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posted 02 December 2003 10:29 AM
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Paul, If you like Bill Evans as I do, may I suggest the albums "Undercurrent" and "Intermodulation" that he did with the guitarist Jim Hall. Just Bill and Jim as a duo. Haunting beautiful music! Essential for Bill Evans fan IMHO (or just plain MUSIC fan) . |
Franklin Member From:
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posted 03 December 2003 01:47 PM
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Brandon....Going to Tower...................Thanks, Paul[This message was edited by Franklin on 03 December 2003 at 02:00 PM.] |
Brandon Housewright Member From: Statesboro, Georgia, USA
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posted 04 December 2003 01:26 PM
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No problem. Always glad to help folks who like the same music I do . |
David L. Donald Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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posted 05 December 2003 03:09 AM
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Yes those are both fantastic albums, from fantastic players. I can hear Paul absorbing Jim Hall licks in my head already!I like this pedal a lot too.[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 05 December 2003 at 03:10 AM.] |