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Nathan Delacretaz
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From: Austin, Texas, USA

posted 07 January 2004 05:35 AM     profile     
I'll preface this by saying I *love* the sound of my Mullen SD10's single coil - nice and punchy, with that high end that really cuts through (my only other axe was a Fender student 100, with a pickup that just couldn't compare)...

BUT...I hear a lot of talk about "after market" pickups, and got a particularly glowing review of Wallace True Tone pickups. I know talking about tone is like whistling about calculus, but how would you guys describe the characteristics of the Wallace pickup as opposed to Mullen's stock single coil??

And here comes a question from the amateur seats in back : ).....What does the resistance/ohm rating generally say about how a pickup will sound??

Mark Herrick
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From: Los Angeles, CA

posted 07 January 2004 09:06 AM     profile     
I have a Mullen SD-10 and would be interested in hearing responses to this as well; and recommendations from Mr. Wallace as to what he thinks might be a good impedance in the True Tone pickup for a Mullen.
Larry R
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From: Navasota, Tx.

posted 07 January 2004 01:52 PM     profile     
I have quite a few Mullen rigs. One of them I am still tuning with as far as pickups is concerned. If you really like the way your Mullen sounds now, then don't mess with it. But if there is something lacking (tonewise) that you just can't stand, then go ahead and experiment with another brand of pup. I have tried several brands of pups and in my experience I have found that no particular pup can satisfy every guitar of the same make. That's my own opinion. I have posted several times in as many months on this subject. I have several Mullens' with stock pups and that's the way they'll stay (unless my tonal ear changes and I think it needs to sound different).
However, some of my other Mullen gtrs didn't have the tone I was looking for with the stock pup so I changed pups. The True Tone works well, but so does the Bill Lawrence, and the Geo L.
The bottom line is, you'll just have to experiment to find what type of fodder your particular axe likes. The TT pup may be a little more defined in some instances than the stock pup but then again, that's subjective and depends on what the particular axe likes.
Resistance, I'm not an engineer, but will give my opinion. Generally, but not always the higher the resistance, the warmer, fatter, mellower tone you will hear. But then again, that's dependent upon many factors such as the type and size of magnets used as well as the size of wire and the # of turns of wire used.

Larry

[This message was edited by Larry R on 07 January 2004 at 02:02 PM.]

Nathan Delacretaz
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From: Austin, Texas, USA

posted 07 January 2004 05:28 PM     profile     
Thanks a lot, Larry - yeah, I'm pretty happy with my Mullen's sound, just curious as far as what people hear in the after-market pickups, and what the chief differences are.

I'm thinking about going for a coil-tappable humbucker or something that is capable of getting the fat, contemporary tones as well as the thinner, Fender-like single coil tones....

jerry wallace
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From: Artesia , NM - 35 mi from Roswell UFO CITY

posted 07 January 2004 11:09 PM     profile     
Gentleman, I agree that there is no "one" pickup thats the absolute best in all situations or with all PSG's..

There are just to many variables and we all just dont hear the same things.Also different amps, effects, playing style etc. all are factors as well..

As far as DC resistance is concerned, comparing the DC of a pickup is only useful and relative to the same type and really the same brand of pickup..In other words, where everything is the exact same other than the DC ohms..
While on this subject I feel its important to point out that a pickup is an AC device.. By that I mean that the output of a pickup is an AC signal not a DC..
AC signals both in and out of a pickup are varing in frequency constantly..Probably the main factor{there are many others} in determining the sound/tone characteristics in a pickup is the inductive reactance..Because this is an AC measurement it is different at every frequency..For example say at 120hz its 13 henries but at 1000hz its 14 on a particular pickup..

AC test equipment to measure inductance, AC impedance, capacitance etc. is expensive and a little hard to use and to evaluate all of the results from.
DC resistance is easy to check and DC meters are widely available and not expensive..What the DC resistance is telling you is how much wire is in the coil..Since wire has a certain resistance per foot the higher the DC ohms the more wire..The lower the DC, equals less wire..
Since there is a direct relationship between the DC resistance, number of turns,inductance and so on, the DC resistance will tell you quite a bit about the coil in your pickup..Of coarse it will also tell you if its open or shorted.

So what has been the "rule of thumb" since just about the beginning of pickups is to state the DC ohms resistance..The second most widely used method of "how much" wire is the give the number of turns..

Many people are not aware that there is also a AC resistance sometimes refered to as impedance or total resistance, that is a much better measurement as far as giving more information about the signal chararistics of a pickup.However these numbers vary depending on the test frequency.

This is my opinon on the DC ohms resistance of my TrueTone single coil pickups..

I use a winding of 18.5K ohm as my center point or normal sound/tone..
A winding of 17.5K will have a brighter sound/tone.
A winding of 19.5K will have a mellower sound/tone.
Even on the same brand of PSG's I have some customers who prefer a 17.5K while others the 18.5 or 19.5..

Yes, as a general rule of thumb, the more wire the more mellow and the less wire the brighter..Of coarse there are limits going either way that if exceeded can produce a thin or muddy tone.I try to talk with my customers and decide their personal prefrence as far as the particular sound/tone they are wanting from their guitar..

So basically, most people can relate better to the DC ohms resistance than they can to the number of turns or the henries of inductance..Also its easy for anyone to check the DC without expensive, lab type test equipment..
Comparing the DC of a single coil to a humbucker is not of any value..This is due to the humbucker having 2 coils usually in series as opposted to one coil.

Also the winding of the coil as far as tension, the ratio of turns to scattering or spreading across the coil height etc. are things that do effect the sound/tone of a pickup..DC measurements tells nothing what so ever about these things and the "Q" meaning the quality of the coil..AC measurments will.

But if most people were asked "what inductance, or AC impedance or number of turns do you want or have on your current pickup".. They probably would not know..Since most people are more familiar with its a "17K, 20K etc." thats the most common term heard to refer to the coil..

The numbers I gave above are for 10 string pickups..Twelve string values will be a bit different..

I hope this helps with the original questions in this posting..

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Jerry Wallace-2001 Zum: D-10,8+6, "98 Zum: D-10,8+8,Nashville 1000,Session 500 ,Session 400 head only amp,Tubefex,ProfexII, Artesia, New Mexico
http://www.jerrywallacemusic.com

[This message was edited by jerry wallace on 08 January 2004 at 02:15 AM.]

Nathan Delacretaz
Member

From: Austin, Texas, USA

posted 08 January 2004 09:03 AM     profile     
Wow, Jerry - thanks for that detailed explanation! I've heard nothing but great things about your pickups and was just curious if there were any objective factors that may figure into their great reputation. (But as I suspected, it really boils down to the long arduous process of spending time with the guitar and evaluating each pickup's strengths and weaknesses - and here I was looking for a substitute for experience! ha)

Thanks again for your kind and thorough reply!

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