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Topic: E to B lower!
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Archie Nicol
Member From: Ayrshire, Scotland
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posted 26 August 2004 04:32 AM
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I own Sierra S12 EXT.E9(Gsharp and E).The 4th and 8th string lowers also raised the 12th string to F.Not really having a clue about mechanisms I decided to change the raise to a lower to match the 4th and 8th.It didn't work to well, but I found before adjustment, that it lowered to B.I liked the sound and would like to keep it but I'm worried that I might damage the return spring.The lever has to move about 3 inches to make the change.I would be grateful to hear your views.
Cheers,Archie Nicol. ------------------
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Jerry Hayes
Member From: Virginia Beach, Va.
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posted 26 August 2004 04:50 AM
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Hey Archie,
That's a two and a half tone lower!! It seems like it would be a sloppy B note by doing that. I think you'd be better off not doing anything with that string on that lever. If you're going to get into Universal playing later or if you want to get the most out of the extended E9th it's better just to lower 4 & 8 to D# and leave the 12th string E alone. Try this little run in the key of C with 4 & 8 lowered and 12 remaining constant. At the 8th fret play strings 12, 8 & 6 on the 1 count. On count 2 go to the 6th fret and play strings 11, 7, and 5, on count 3 go to fret 7 playing the same strings and on count 4 go to the 8th fret again playing the same strings 11, 7, & 5. It's a little venture into some nice sounding C6th type stuff. A good change for that low E string is to lower it to C# on the same lever that raises 4 & 8 to F. Have a good 'un, JH------------------
Livin' in the Past and the Future with a 12 string Mooney Universal tuning. [This message was edited by Jerry Hayes on 26 August 2004 at 09:00 AM.]
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Drew Howard
Member From: Mason, MI, U.S.A.
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posted 26 August 2004 05:21 AM
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Archie,If I had a 12 I'd want an E-B lower. It's different enough, try sticking with it and see what you come up with. Nice V-I resolution there. cheers,
Drew ------------------
Fessenden D-10 8+8 / Magnatone S-8 (E13)
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Bengt Erlandsen
Member From: Brekstad, NORWAY
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posted 26 August 2004 10:05 AM
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Raising the low E to F at the same time as lowering the other two E's(string 8 & 5) would give a nice low VI9 chord w no root in the same position.
C A9 Dm7 G7
F#-----------------------
Eb-----------------------
G#-----------------------
E------------------------
B------------------------
G#-----------------------
F#----------6------------
E---8---8b--6b--6#-------
D---------------6--------
B---8---8---6---6b-------
G#--8---8---6---6--------
E---8---8#---------------I used notation symbols
in the tabulature: b=lower a halftone
#=Raise a halftone
Or it could be that the low E-F raise was misadjusted and should have raised to F# instead which would give a low 5th note for the B6th chord. Lowering the low E to B sound a little like stressing the changer mechanism & the return-spring and causing the lever to move uneccesary long. The low E also works fine w no change at all (my personal preference)when lowering the other two E's for a maj7 (maj9 if one playes 12 11 10 8b 7) I sometimes wish for a 13string w a low B but I love the ExtE9 as it is w 12strings 
Bengt Erlandsen
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Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 26 August 2004 10:52 AM
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I lower it to C# on my F lever. |
Bengt Erlandsen
Member From: Brekstad, NORWAY
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posted 26 August 2004 02:14 PM
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Then you can play the root note for the G7 on the 12th string instead of the 9th string. I have found that low C# to be a "must have" in the A+F position.Bengt |
Archie Nicol
Member From: Ayrshire, Scotland
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posted 26 August 2004 03:37 PM
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Aye,Jerry,I thought the string felt really loose,but I went up and down the neck picking strings 12,10 and 8 then pushing the lever(forever)and it purrs like the lows on a Hammond organ.Still concerned about the strain on the spring though.Cheers,Arch. |
Jerry Hayes
Member From: Virginia Beach, Va.
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posted 27 August 2004 06:39 AM
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I'd heard that the great lead guitarist Phil Baugh who had a six pedal rig that hooked to his guitar lowered his 6th string low E to B with the MSA built contraption. Have a good 'un..JH------------------
Livin' in the Past and the Future with a 12 string Mooney Universal tuning. [This message was edited by Jerry Hayes on 27 August 2004 at 06:40 AM.]
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Archie Nicol
Member From: Ayrshire, Scotland
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posted 28 August 2004 04:03 PM
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Thanks, everyone for your comments and advice, much appreciated, Cheers, Arch. |
richard burton
Member From: Britain
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posted 28 August 2004 11:30 PM
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Archie,
A movement of three inches at the base of the finger is almost certainly overstretching the return spring. I had a similar scenario on my Carter when I put a wound sixth on instead of the usual plain string (I prefer a wound sixth). I still needed a full tone drop, but the spring movement was excessive, and the amount of force required to activate the knee lever was unnecessary.
Solution: I hooked 4 extension springs together, total length about 6 inches. When pulled, until I was at the same tension as the original spring, the total length was about 8 inches. Now, I could easily pull them another 1 1/2 inches without anywhere near the amount of pressure required to pull one original spring 1 1/2 inches (it's a percentage thing).
All I had to do now was find a way to fit these new springs to my Carter. I made a bracket which hooked into the changer finger, and passed through some bellcranks, which fortuitously on a Carter are slotted, so the bracket was retained by the bellcranks, and hooked the spring on the end of the bracket.
R B
Edited because I couldn't spell 'fortuitously'[This message was edited by richard burton on 29 August 2004 at 10:40 AM.] |
Archie Nicol
Member From: Ayrshire, Scotland
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posted 31 August 2004 04:02 PM
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Thanks Richard, but I would have to call out the RAC(It's a British thing) as I am not in the least mechanically minded. Thanks again for taking the time to post advice. It's an old guitar, most probably menopausal, so I don't think it would appreciate being fiddled with.
Cheers, Arch. |
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