Adding the G# to G I have shown 2 places.
Either one location has its own advantages when combining from one position to another.

A vertical lever can be very useful if adjusted correctly. But 4 knee-lever might be more than enough to be happy with.

I have not included the lowering of string 6 & 5 since it might mess with the split (Apedal & B-Bb lever) but if that is not an issue then I would lower 6 & 5 (10) on an additional P4

If you like the setup w 4pedals & 6levers then the 6th string G#-G should be split w P0
The lowering of the 3rd string is not included since that would ruin the Maj7 found w LKLsplitP0 & P1. The G note is still available on string 1 w LKV.

       
   LKL LKR P0 P1 P2 P3 RKL RKR
F#----------------------------
D#--------------------------D-
G#----------G----A------------
E---F---Eb----------F#--------
B-------------C#----C#--Bb----
G#----------G----A------------
F#----------------------------
E---F---Eb----------F#--------
D---------------------------C#
B-------------C#--------Bb----
 
 
       LKL
   LKL     LKR  P1 P2 P3 RKL RKR
F#------------------------------
D#----------------------------D-
G#------G----------A------------
E---F-------Eb--------F#--------
B---------------C#----C#--Bb----
G#------G----------A------------
F#------------------------------
E---F-------Eb--------F#--------
D-----------------------------C#
B---------------C#--------Bb----
 
 
       LKL
   LKL     LKV LKR P0 P1 P2 P3 RKL RKR
F#----------G-------------------------
D#----------------------------------D-
G#-----------------------A------------
E---F-----------Eb----------F#--------
B---------------------C#----C#--Bb----
G#------G----------A#----A------------
F#----------G-------------------------
E---F-----------Eb----------F#--------
D-----------------------------------C#
B---------------------C#--------Bb----

B.Erlandsen

[This message was edited by Bengt Erlandsen on 15 October 2004 at 04:42 AM.]

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Livin' in the Past and the Future with a 12 string Mooney Universal tuning.

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84 SKH Emmons Legrand D10
session 400'rd Steelin for my Lord.

[This message was edited by Terry Sneed on 15 October 2004 at 09:05 AM.]

Terry, you're probably right, I could add the LKV and put "something" on it. But I really find the vertical levers to be awkward. I may add a P0 for the G# to G and a P4 for the Paul Franklin change.

I've played both the Day and Emmons setup. I've had the E-string levers on both knees. I can see advanctages to both. Just wondering (again) what everyone else thinks. Trying to get my "perfect" setup. I went through the same ordeal a couple of years ago when I bought the new Sierra Session 12.

I'm closer now to knowing exactly what I want but I'm not sure that you can ever be certain when it comes to this instrument. There are just too many possibilities to explore.

Obviously, one needs to master the basics (A,B,C, and some levers) but then there's the personal stuff. Like the 8th string raise to F#. I love that one. The Carter Starter doesn't have it. It also doesn't have the D to C#. I like both of those changes.

I haven't much messed with changes on the 1st 2 strings yet but I'm sure I could find them useful if I had a guitar with pulls on those strings. Just looking for advice of what to try and examples of how to use the new pulls.

I didn't know what to do with the LKV so I put a +C on it. I don't really like the vertical levers and I know I could get the same result from A+RKL.

So what are some better ideas for the LKV? I like the B to Bb where it is. And I see that there are no changes on either F# strings. Maybe I could use the LKV for a ++G# on the 1st string and something similar on the other F# string.

Also, you guys with the Paul Franklin pedal, why not pull the 10th string to A on that pedal too? I know I can't get the 3rd string to drop that low but it would be cool if I could.

And if I added a RKV for posterity, what might I put there and why?

Thanks for all the answers. I think threads like this one are cool.

Earnest Bovine has an LKV raising str 5 from B to D. What's cool about this is that when you are A+B, and you'd like to move string 5 one more half-step to make it a sus chord, it's right there on LKV, and your pedals are down, so it's a good strong move.

In a Winnie Winston book Earnest loaned me, it seems many of the players of that era did a B-D with their LV.

The B to D is a long pull and I'm not sure what I'd ever do with it anyway. What about pulling the F# strings on the vertical lever? Anyone doing that?

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I also like b0b's suggestion of the LKV pulling the first string to G.

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Makes sense to me. I was thinking of changing the pedals back to the Day setup, put the E to D# on RKL and the E to F on RKR. That would move my X lever to LKR and the 2nd & 9th string lever to LKL. How does this sound to you all?

And you folks how play with extra levers, what do you think of them? Maybe an extra LKL or LKR.

I've had the E-string lower on both knees and there are advantages to both. One thing I know for sure is that LKL is the most awkward thing on a pedal steel. As such, I figure that it should be the one that has the change that is used the least. And then LKV would be next in line for idle time. I'm comfortable with both inner levers and RKR is not so bad either.

But thanks for your ideas anyway. That's what I'm after.