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Kevin Raymer
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From: Smiths Grove, Kentucky, USA

posted 09 November 2004 08:46 PM     profile     
OK guys, pls excuse my ignorance. Learning on a 10 string with Emmons Set up and tuning. How do I make a minor chord like Bm ??

Help me, pls...

Kevin

Jim Cohen
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From: Philadelphia, PA

posted 09 November 2004 08:56 PM     profile     
Flat the third.
Jim Phelps
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From: just out of Mexico City

posted 09 November 2004 08:57 PM     profile     
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[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 18 November 2004 at 09:28 AM.]

Jim Cohen
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From: Philadelphia, PA

posted 09 November 2004 09:05 PM     profile     
OK, ok, the above was a wise-guy reply. Here's a better answer:

You can use the "A" pedal that raises your 5th and 10th strings a whole tone. Root will be on 5th and 10th strings. So for Bm this is at the 10th fret, and you can play any of strings 10, 8, 6, 5, 4, 3.

Another choice is using the "D-lever" which lowers your 4th and 8th strings a half tone. Root will be on the 3rd and 6th strings. So for Bm, this will be on the 3rd fret. Strings 10, 8, 6, 5, 4, 3.

Yet another is using pedals "B" (which raises 3rd and 6th strings a half tone) and "C" (raises 4th and 5th strings a full tone) on the 5th fret. Root is on 4th string. Strings 7,6,5,4,3.

There are more, but that ought to get ya started...

Ken Williams
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From: Arkansas

posted 09 November 2004 09:07 PM     profile     
Kevin, there are several ways to play a minor chord. Probably the most common way to play a Bm is to press the "A" pedal using any of these string groups at the 10th fret: (3,4,5)(4,5,6)(5,6,8)(6,8,10)(3,5,8)(4,6,10). Another common way would be to play any of the mentioned string groups with only the "E to Eb" lever pressed. Bm would be at the 3rd and 15th fret.

Ken

Bobby Lee
Sysop

From: Cloverdale, North California, USA

posted 09 November 2004 09:11 PM     profile     
http://www.b0b.com/infoedu/e9theory.htm

Here are the basic pedal positions for chords on the open strings:
         chord     pedals             strings

I E major no pedals 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10
I7 E7th knee lever D 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 10

ii F# minor pedals B + C 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
iii G# minor knee lever E 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10

IV A major pedals A + B 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10

V B major knee lever E 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10
V7 B7th knee E + pedal B 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10

vi C# minor pedal A 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10
VI C# major pedal A + knee F 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10

diminished 7th knee lever F 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10

Of course, all of these positions can be moved up the neck to get the desired chord. In most cases, if you accidentally hit the wrong string you will get a 6th, 7th or 9th chord that extends the chord you were trying to play.

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Tony Prior
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From: Charlotte NC

posted 10 November 2004 02:01 AM     profile     
Excellent stuff above..

When I started playing I learned two simple rules of application which I still use..

1) from the no pedals position..strings 10,8,6,5,4 and 3 ..go up 3 frets and use the A pedal only..same string combo's.

ex: G on 3rd fret, Gm on 6th fret

rule..open position up 3 frets with A Pedal

2) From the AB Pedal position, same strings, 10,8,6,5,4 and 3 ..go up 1 fret release the AB pedals and use the E lower knee lever, same strings .

EX: D on 5th fret, Dm on 6th fret

Rule..from the AB pedal postion go up 1 fret using the E lower knee lever only

Start simple work your way up to extravagant..

good luck

t

[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 10 November 2004 at 02:03 AM.]

Jim Smith
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From: Plano, TX, USA

posted 10 November 2004 04:18 AM     profile     
I7   E7th      knee lever D       2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 10
b0b, you forgot the 9th string.
Roger Crawford
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From: Locust Grove, GA USA

posted 10 November 2004 04:29 AM     profile     
To add to Tony's explaination, if you have a vertical that lowers 5 & 10, D chord on 5 with A & B plus the vertical = Dm. That one is easier for me, your milage may vary.
Kevin Raymer
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From: Smiths Grove, Kentucky, USA

posted 10 November 2004 06:09 AM     profile     
Great stuff guys, Thanks !!!

I was thinking that someone told me when I very first started playing that the A pedal in the open position did yield an Em, but when with the group last nite, bar at 7th fret, and A pedal depressed sure didn't sound like the Bm the guitars were playing. Guess I just need to work harder at it.

Thanks

Kevin

Randy Beavers
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From: Lebanon,TN 37090

posted 10 November 2004 06:20 AM     profile     
One of my "pet positions" to play a minor is 5 frets above the given root. A and B pedals, start on the 9th string which becomes the flated 3rd. The Bm you asked for would be on the 12th fret, or open, playing strings 9, 8, 6, 5, 4, and 3. The most common progression to follow the Bm would be an E7th. Simply let off the B pedal, or A and B together to make the change. This also makes single note solos easier when playing through this change.

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Terry Sneed
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From: El Dorado, Arkansas, USA

posted 10 November 2004 06:21 AM     profile     
Here's one more Kevin. back up two frets from a+b pedal position picking strings 1,2 and 5 and lower your 2nd string D# to D

example, G chord on 10th fret A,B down. back up to 8th fret let off A, B pedals, strings 1,2 and 5 lower 2nd string you have a Gm

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[This message was edited by Terry Sneed on 10 November 2004 at 06:24 AM.]

David L. Donald
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From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

posted 10 November 2004 06:26 AM     profile     
All well and good, but I will add what it does theory wise

If your in G 3rd fret and hit lever D dropping E to Eb,
then you are playing the III chord of a G scale/ chord progression
as a minor or Bm.

or looking at it another way, it takes your AB down C ,
drops it back 1 fret and makes it minor, with just the D lever.

Pedals BC down in 3rd fret, in key of G, it is turning G major
into the II minor of the scalechord progression,
or Am .

Same Key of G, 3rd fret, hit the A pedal alone.
and you have the VI minor of the scale/chord progression,
or Em

Also on 5 lever steels, the vertical often drops the B tp Bb,
a "Jeff lever" and this turns the AB pedal down IV chord C
into a IV minor chord or key of G, 3rd fret,
a Cm chord.

I have added a G# o G lever to drop an I chord to a minor, with the dom7, but this is not standard.

I think it is important to understand how these combinations work in the theory overview, because then you see how they work in other positions better.

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 10 November 2004 at 06:41 AM.]

Carlos Polidura
Member

From: Brooklyn, New York, USA

posted 10 November 2004 08:19 AM     profile     
hi kevin,
you got mail.

carlos

Joey Ace
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From: Southern Ontario, Canada

posted 10 November 2004 08:41 AM     profile     
Don't miss this "Minor Disussion": http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/008550.html
George Mc Lellan
Member

From: Duluth, MN USA

posted 10 November 2004 08:49 AM     profile     
How about 2nd fret with A&B pedal down for your "B", then let A up half way =Bmi.

Geo

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