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Topic: BMI guitars
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Steve Alcott
Member From: New York, New York, USA
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posted 06 December 2004 10:15 AM
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Has anybody out there played one of the BMI steels with the raises and lowers on opposite ends of the guitar? |
Joey Aguilera
Member From: Whittier, California, USA
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posted 06 December 2004 10:18 AM
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Thats what I have but I am just starting out so I don't suppose I could be much help to you  My raise is on LKL and my lower is on RKL. Joey |
Steve Alcott
Member From: New York, New York, USA
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posted 06 December 2004 10:21 AM
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I'm referring to the guitars with the raise and lower changers on opposite ends. |
Ron Steenwijk
Member From: Greensburg,PA
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posted 06 December 2004 01:13 PM
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Joey.Steve means lower on the left side and raise on the right side of the end-plates. Ron Nikaro SD10 4x6 |
Winnie Winston
Member From: Tawa, Wellington, NZ
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posted 06 December 2004 04:35 PM
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I never had one, but I played several.
The easiest action I've felt. Delightful knee levers. You get a very DIRECT feel of what's happening since you are going to a straight finger and not through a changer linkage.
It was a brilliant design.
If I were to built another one, it would certainly have changers at both ends like the BMI.
He was quite the innovator.JW |
Per Berner
Member From: Skövde, Sweden
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posted 06 December 2004 11:05 PM
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This is most fascinating, and seems Iike a very good idea - in theory, at least. I have never seen or heard of one of these, so I am wondering where you put the tuners if there are changers at both ends? Wouldn't that be very complicated? Pictures, anyone? |
Tom Olson
Member From: Spokane, WA
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posted 07 December 2004 09:34 AM
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I've never seen one of these BMI's so I don't really have any idea how the tuner is configured. However, I would imagine that you could integrate some type of keyless tuner into one of the changers. That is, you could mount an adjustable string anchor to each changer finger. |
Jerry Hayes
Member From: Virginia Beach, Va.
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posted 07 December 2004 09:51 AM
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Winnie....how do those work with split changes such as B to Bb on string 5 along with B to C# on the A pedal. Do they split OK?........Thanks, JH------------------
Livin' in the Past and Future with a 12 string Mooney Universal tuning. |
richard burton
Member From: Britain
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posted 07 December 2004 09:59 AM
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Do a search on Bobby Bowman, Double Changer, in Pedal Steel.
R B |
Ron Steenwijk
Member From: Greensburg,PA
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posted 07 December 2004 10:20 AM
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I've seen a few pics once.I think it was here on the forum.So somebody must know how they work.
Maybe it was another brand and not even a BMI.
But I do know they excist.Ron Nikaro SD10 4x6
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Winnie Winston
Member From: Tawa, Wellington, NZ
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posted 08 December 2004 12:23 PM
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All very simple.
The changer on the right is the pulls. Single finger with a keyless unit (like the Kline) attached to the finger. It's a straight pull finger.
The changer on the left is the lower one. On the BMI it was a bit tricky since Zane wanted to keep the string taper. So the Lower fingers are made of 1/4" stock. They are held against the body with a spring (like the lower fingers on the p/p Emmons) and are pushed to lower.
I forget exactly how Zane allowed for tuning these.
The underneath can look like a bit of a mess since the roda going to the raise are pretty parallel, but the ones going to the lowers are tapered in.
Nevertheless, it played well and had a good direct feel.
Not sure how the "splits" were tuned, but I'm sure there was a way.Best! JW |
Graham Griffith
Member From: Glebe, N.S.W., Australia
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posted 10 December 2004 07:15 PM
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I've got one of these BMI keyless guitars and have taken some shots from various angles. I don't have time to post these properly right now but I'm happy to email them for posting or personal viewing.I haven't got splits set up but the B to C# raise in combination with the B to Bb lower gives me an approximation which I use. Each string has the potential for 4 raises and 4 lowers, so I'm sure that splits may be possible. It's no easy task to change the copedant (with the supplied hardware)because the rod lengths are different going to opposite ends. Winnie, thanks for explaining the taper business. The BMI is a great guitar, as is the Anapeg I got this year. Graham |
Per Berner
Member From: Skövde, Sweden
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posted 11 December 2004 11:29 PM
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Graham sent me these VERY interesting pictures to share with y'all:
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Per Berner
Member From: Skövde, Sweden
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posted 12 December 2004 12:00 AM
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And here are some more:
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Graham Griffith
Member From: Glebe, N.S.W., Australia
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posted 12 December 2004 02:47 AM
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Per,Thanks for taking the time to upload these pictures. As you can see, this BMI keyless is a bit "battle scarred", having been made in 1988 and used constantly over the intervening years. It's a very durable instrument and I still play it, although it could do with an overhaul. Zane Beck told me (in late 1978 when I spent some time in Little Rock with him and his wife Faye) that he planned such a guitar (that you could fit into a saxaphone case). His dream became a reality a few years later and Don Fritsche made this one for me after Zane passed away in 1985. I would recommend a BMI to anyone. They're great guitars. Graham |
Ricky Littleton
Member From: Steely-Eyed Missile Man from Orlando, Florida USA
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posted 13 December 2004 10:07 AM
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Winnie:In your book there's a picture of Zane Beck playing one of his BMI's, but on the right hand end of the guitar, ON TOP of the body were the raise/lower adjustments. Are there very many of these around? That looked like a wonder full place to place the changer adjusters. Especially for those players that play in dark venues. Just wondering, Ricky... ------------------
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richard burton
Member From: Britain
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posted 18 December 2004 03:41 AM
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Years ago, when I first started building pedal steels, I experimented with a changer on each end, but found that there was extreme string hysteresis, ie, a raise would come back significantly flat, and a lower would come back excruciatingly sharp.
I didn't pursue the double changer idea because of this phenomenon.
I wonder how Zane Beck overcame the string hysteresis?
R B |
Richard Shelley
Member From: Denver, CO, USA
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posted 18 December 2004 06:55 AM
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Gorgeous guitar! Makes me glad I've still got my BMI. |
John Hall
Member From: Arlington, TX, USA
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posted 18 December 2004 09:36 PM
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Makes me very pumped about the gorgeous BMI that's coming to me next week. :-)John Hall |
stingray
Member From: maplewood ohio
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posted 19 December 2004 06:15 AM
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Hi Winnie & all on post...Looks nice..are the ZB BMI MCI all the same co. ? I haven't played one ,but I was wondering .... in your oppion !! due the alumn. frame guitars have a brighter or thinner sound? I bet they are sturdy & solid...Take care ! ------------------
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Jay Jessup
Member From: Charlottesville, VA, USA
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posted 22 February 2005 07:15 AM
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HI Folks,
Bobby's thread about the direct pull feel piqued my interest in these BMIs so I am reviving this thread. A fellow in Richmond Va, Harold Spain built a run of steels in the 70's with changers at both ends and I don't think he every completly solved the string return problem that Richard mentioned. I assume Zane did solve it?
Other than the industrial strength looking knee levers this looks like a neat concept is there anyone out there that knows a lot about these guitars?
Jay |
Graham Griffith
Member From: Glebe, N.S.W., Australia
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posted 22 February 2005 09:29 PM
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Jay,Get in touch with Don Fritsche in Scranton ... he still makes them. Do a search and get his #. Graham |
Jay Jessup
Member From: Charlottesville, VA, USA
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posted 23 February 2005 05:42 AM
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Thanks Graham,
I was able to find an e-mail address for Don, haven't heard back from him yet and will call him in a few days if he doesn't repsond to the e-mail. Anybody know when the best time to call him is? |
Damien Odell
Member From: Springwood, New South Wales, Australia
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posted 23 February 2005 06:11 PM
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I was trying to contact Don recently - I don't think he checks his email regularly. I think the best way to contact him is by the phone in the early evenings US time.Damien |
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