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Leon Roberts
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From: Tallahassee,FL USA

posted 16 February 2005 05:01 PM     profile     
I'm just about half way through rubbing out the finish on my old Sho-Bud. It left the factory a tobacco brown. I got some blue stain from Stewart/McDonald. Dana Flood gave me some important pointers on hand rubbing out the finish. Doing a good job is not for sissys.

I post another photo when I'm finished and have the guitar assembled.

Dana is refinishing a lacquer Emmons push/pull. I'll post a photo of it tomorrow.
Leon

tbhenry
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From: Chattanooga /USA

posted 16 February 2005 05:11 PM     profile     
Leon,
I am doing a lap steel from maple and would like to use blue stain and then laqcquer. Could you give me some pointers on how to hand rub etc. BNy tyhe way your sho bud looks magnificent. Regards, Brian
David Higginbotham
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From: Lake Charles, Louisiana, USA

posted 16 February 2005 05:13 PM     profile     
Very nice indeed! Be sure to post pics when completed.
Dave
Leila Tuttle
Member

From: Wheat Ridge, Colorado, USA

posted 16 February 2005 07:54 PM     profile     
Leon,

Watch out! There's something scary under those tables!

Ron Steenwijk
Member

From: Greensburg,PA

posted 17 February 2005 12:42 AM     profile     
Leon.

Could you talk us trough this blue stain progress?
I think some of us would like to hear how this is done.(Me for example)
Great job man.Wish I could get mine to look this great.

Ron

Nikaro SD10 4x6

Per Berner
Member

From: Skövde, Sweden

posted 17 February 2005 01:12 AM     profile     
"...looking good so far" Quite an understatement! Looking absolutely gorgeous!

I used the same intense blue stain from Stew-Mac on this soprano electric guitar i built from scrap parts and a nice piece of ash, all their stains produce very nice, vivid colors.


Ron Steenwijk
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From: Greensburg,PA

posted 17 February 2005 02:51 AM     profile     
Per.
You have mail.

Ron

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Leon Roberts
Member

From: Tallahassee,FL USA

posted 17 February 2005 04:21 AM     profile     
Thanks for all the neat comments guys. I’ll talk with my buddies, Albert and Dana, today and post some information tonight. I want to make sure the information I give out is correct. Both Dana and Albert have far more experience that I and their counsel were paramount in the process. I will say at this time that “hand rubbing” is the secret after the lacquer is applied.

The dangerous creature in the photo is our cat’s toy.

Per, beautiful job on the guitar. Did you wipe the stain on or spray it?
Leon

Darvin Willhoite
Member

From: Leander, Tx. USA

posted 17 February 2005 06:21 AM     profile     
Man that looks nice, I'm a sucker for Blue and Red guitars.

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Per Berner
Member

From: Skövde, Sweden

posted 17 February 2005 06:40 AM     profile     
Leon, I wiped it on (in an alcohol solution - the stain, not me ) and added Stew-Mac's waterbase lacquer, turned out mirror glossy. That little sucker has a piercing sound, but is difficult to play with big fingers (the scale is just 13,75"). By the way, the decorations around the edges are inlaid string ball ends, which I save every time I change strings ever since the late seventies. Someday I'll cover a whole guitar body with them!
Don Poland
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From: Littlestown, PA.

posted 17 February 2005 07:35 AM     profile     
WOW, that is absolutely gorgeous! Leon, you have done one SWEET job with that PSG!!

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Ray Minich
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From: Limestone, New York, USA

posted 17 February 2005 08:03 AM     profile     
quote:
the decorations around the edges are inlaid string ball ends, which I save every time I change strings ever since the late seventies

sure beats tinfoil... Nice accent!
Ben Slaughter
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From: Madera, California

posted 17 February 2005 09:08 AM     profile     
Mmmmmm, blue guitars!!!
Mark Herrick
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From: Los Angeles, CA

posted 17 February 2005 02:24 PM     profile     
How do you deal with the inlay and Sho-Bud decal when staining?

Is that a water-based finish coat or nitrocellulose lacquer?

Can you post some close-up shots of the finish?

It looks great!

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Ricky Davis
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From: Spring, Texas USA

posted 17 February 2005 07:40 PM     profile     
Leon that stunningly beautiful> good going man.

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Leon Roberts
Member

From: Tallahassee,FL USA

posted 17 February 2005 07:49 PM     profile     
Thanks for all the positive comments. I’ll go through the steps that accomplished what you see below. There might be better or more efficient ways to do a refinish, but like Frank Sinatra said, “I did it my way”.
I started with an old Sho-Bud Professional. It was tobacco brown and in horrible condition. In my opinion the only way to go was to strip the body down to bare wood and start all over. I first made sure I had a white Sho-Bud Decal. I didn’t put a “The Professional" decal on it because it will no longer bad a “Professional” when I finished. I threw all that rack and barrel system away. It will have triple raise/ double lower changers with aluminum tops. The pulling train will have 14 hole pulling fingers, machined from aluminum. I have a Sho-Bud Pro-III with this system and it’s so sweet,I sold my recently aquired ZUM. The ZUM is a super guitar but I'm an old Sho-Bud man. Anyway, let’s get back on subject.

1. After all the hardware was removed, I stripped the cabinet with a paint and varnish remover called “strip eze” It took about 3 times to get the old lacquer off. After the last time with the strip eze, I wiped the cabinet down with “mineral sprits” and a clean rag. I changed rags and continued this until I was sure all the old finish was removed. The toughest part of this was the white splatter paint on the bottom of the cabinet. I removed all this and will have a natural maple finish on the bottom.

2. After the cabinet was dry, about three days, I started sanding. The wood on top was rather smooth and didn’t require a lot of heavy sanding, but the bottom of the cabinet required more work. I did the finish sanding with various grits of sand paper. I mostly sanded the top with the sponge sanding blocks that one can purchase at Home Depot or Lowe’s. On the bottom I used a palm sander and the sponge sanding blocks to finish up. VERY IMPORTANT WARNING, BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THE INLAY WHEN SANDING. The inlay is very thin.

3. I started the finish process by taping off everything on the cabinets and the necks, except the inlay. Use a very good quality masking tape for this process because you wouldn’t want the stain to penetrate down to the inlay when the stain is sprayed on. Spray at least 2 good coats of sanding sealer on the inlay. This is a necessary step to insure the stain will not screw up the unique Sho-Bud inlay.

4. Remove all the masking tape and protective covering from the cabinet. Next, mask off the inlay on the cabinet and both sides of the necks. This is best accomplished with Ľ masking tape purchased from an auto parts store. This is the stuff the guys do the flame paint jobs on cars and motorcycles. After the masking tape is on, press the edges firmly to make sure the stain goes where we want.

5. Now for the most important and nerve wrecking step of the entire process, STAINIG. If you’re going for a natural maple finish, ignore the previous step. We used a blue concentrated stain from Stewart McDonald. The directions on the bottle didn’t exactly apply to our needs with the exception of needing to be diluted. We used denatured alcohol for dilution. We used a small Devilbiss Paint sprayer and Albert would put about ľ of the can with alcohol and I would put the stain in until it looked good. Spraying is good because it allows you to gradually get the shade of color that suits your taste. Some guys like to wipe it on but that’s a little drastic for my talents. I might add that when you apply the lacquer finish, the color will be a little darker. I don’t know the reason for this, but it’s been my experience. When the desired color is reached, spray at least two coats of sanding sealer on the cabinet. Some light sanding can be done after the sealer is dry. Remove all the masking tape from the inlay.

6. The lacquer application. I used a brand of lacquer called “DEFT”. That might be spelled wrong but I got it from a paint store. I had previously used the same brand purchased from Loews’s. We have a special Sho-Bud jig that allows us to rotate a cabinet at any angle for spraying. We would spray a heavy coat and let it dry. Then the decal was applied. Spray a couple of light coats on the decal to seal it. Spray another heavy coat and let it dry. This process was repeated until we felt we had enough lacquer on the cabinet. I didn’t sand between coats because of the steps following. Let the lacquer dry for at least one week. Note: Make sure the humidity is low when spraying your lacquer.

7. Start the finish with 600 grit sand paper with a block of wood. Don’t do any freehand sanding because we are trying to get the lacquer finish completely level like glass. Don’t sand the corners because you might sand all the way to the maple. I’m pretty sure that would ruin what’s left of your day. You will notice some scratches in our pretty lacquer. Don’t push the panic button. The following steps will gradually decrease this until we acquire the finish we desire.

8. Next, use 800 grit sandpaper and the same sanding block. Change sand paper if it starts loading up. You will notice that the scratches are getting smaller.

9. Next, go to 1500 grit sandpaper and the same sanding block. For this step, you can use a little water to keep the sandpaper from loading up. Continue to stay away from the corners. The only freehand sanding I did was on the edges of the necks.

10. Next. the art of hand rubbing. Using an old worn towel, start rubbing the lacquer finish with Mcguiar’s #4 or Turtle Wax rubbing compound in the red or orange can. Rub like hell and then rub some more. You will notice that our scratches are getting even smaller.

11. Next, go to Mcguiar’s #7 and rub even harder than before. You will notice that the scratches are almost gone.

12. go to Mcguiar’s Scratch and swirl remover and rub like before. The scratches should have disappeared and the finish should look like the one below.

While describing the spraying proceedure, you will notice that I used "We". My good friend Albert Johnson did the spraying for me and gave advice when asked. His touch with a spray gun is far superior to mine.
Albert is the kind of person that makes me a better person just being around him.

The hand rubbing process was aided by the guidance of Dana Flood. I was going to post a picture of his lacquer Emmons but he didn't have it with him. Dana's Emmons is a natural finish that will stun you. Dana owns All Steel Guitar and him and Albert has established J&F products manufacturing speaker cabinets and racks. They also manufacture steel guitar cases and has introduced a split(two piece)case that allows you to put the guitar in one case and the legs, pedal bar and rods in the other. It's amazing how light your guitar is when you can distribute the weight equaly. That's about all for now. I'll post some photos of the undercarriage when I get done. Thaks for all the neat comments and support.
Leon

[This message was edited by Leon Roberts on 17 February 2005 at 08:04 PM.]

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kevin ryan
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From:

posted 18 February 2005 06:50 AM     profile     
Hey old friend....Looks mighty fine!
Leon Roberts
Member

From: Tallahassee,FL USA

posted 22 February 2005 06:52 PM     profile     
Kevin Thanks for the compliment. I miss all you west coast guys. If you ever get an old Sho-Bud and want it refurbished, I’ll do it at my cost to make up for that SuperPro I sold you (LOL). My quest for improving my old Sho-Buds started when you brought your FRANKLIN over for me to adjust the return compensators. That guitar played so easy it was unbelievable. The only thing I disliked about the Franklin was the all white and black fret boards. These fret boards haven’t hindered Paul’s career and didn’t seem to bother you on Highway 40 Blues and other songs, but I’m pretty sure they would have caused me some mental anguish. I’m hoping to see you in Dallas. It was nice to hear from you.
Leon
Don Poland
Member

From: Littlestown, PA.

posted 22 February 2005 08:35 PM     profile     
Truly UNBELIEVABLE!!!! Leon, that Sho-Bud sure is finer than hair on a frogs butt.

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1974 MSA D10 7+4

Leon Roberts
Member

From: Tallahassee,FL USA

posted 23 February 2005 03:24 PM     profile     
Today was the official test hop for the resurrected Professional. The tone and sustain blew me away. I had Dana Flood play it so I could stand back and listen. For you folks that have never met Dana or heard him play, he is a top flight picker and has played the St Louis convention a few times. His evaluation was WOW. The testing was done in Albert Johnson’s shop where the J&F Products are manufactured. Albert allowed me to use the equipment to machine the parts to replace the “rack and barrel” undercarriage. I’ve noted before that I am something of a “loose cannon” on the gun deck of steel guitar. Albert always let’s me know very tactfully when I’m crossing the line. Even though He’s a diehard Emmons’ player, He thinks my Sho-Bud is a pretty neat guitar and has “that sound”. I might add that Albert sprayed the lacquer for me.
Dana explained that when he plays a guitar, if it has “that sound”, he cares little what the decal is on the front.
Without further ado, here is the photo.

Here is a photo of Dana Flood and Albert Johnson. By the way, the neat speaker cabinets are my J&F cabinets with 1502 Black Widows. These cabinets are the ones Doug Jernigan is using at the present time. However, Doug’s cabinets are covered with the black vinyl tooled leather look. I’m on a fixed income and the picking jobs are getting scarce.

I’ll post some photos of the changers and undercarriage later.
Leon
Bythe way, the
pickups are Sho-Buds rewound by Jerry Wallace.

[This message was edited by Leon Roberts on 23 February 2005 at 03:27 PM.]

Jim Ashton
Member

From: Malta, Ohio USA

posted 24 February 2005 04:34 PM     profile     
Hey Leon,
Sure is a nice shirt you have on. Oh buy the way, The Sho-Bud looks pretty good also.
You are looking good. Picture of health.
Like to see you.
Your old friend
Jim Ashton

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Roger Edgington
Member

From: San Antonio, Texas USA

posted 25 February 2005 11:28 AM     profile     
Leon.
That is a beautiful Sho-Bud. I have a basket case just like it to rebuild. You and others are setting some pretty high standards for Sho-Bud rebuilds. Did you make the new changer fingers? Mine has single R/L with rack and barrel. Love the dark blue, mine was orginally maroon.
Leon Roberts
Member

From: Tallahassee,FL USA

posted 25 February 2005 07:38 PM     profile     
Thanks for the compliment Roger, I replaced everything on the undercarriage with the exception of the curved knee levers. In my opinion if it’s a Sho-Bud, it should have curved knee levers. I purchased stock Sho-Bud raise and lowering bars, triple raise/double lower from Billy Ray of Rayline music in Jacksonville Florida. . The top part of the changers were machined from 6061 by Albert Johnson. I also had to machine out the aluminum changer housings to install the new changers. This was done on a small milling maching by me in Albert's shop. I machined the 14 hole pulling fingers from 6061 aluminum. All pedals and knee levers start and reach pitch at the same time. The end plate on the changer end was modified to provide access to the nylon tuners. This was done with a heli arc welder and a lot of filing, sanding and polishing. I will post photos of my improvements in a couple of days. The tone of the guitar is awesome. It’s my version of what a Sho-Bud should be. If anyone wants to see anything in particular I'll be glad to email close up photos.
Leon

[This message was edited by Leon Roberts on 25 February 2005 at 07:41 PM.]

Lem Smith
Member

From: Fulton, MS. U.S.A.

posted 26 February 2005 12:58 AM     profile     
Mr. Leon,
That blue "Bud" and your natural finished "Bud" are both absolutely gorgeous guitars! Your work is simply amazing!

Lem

Bob Carlucci
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From: Candor, New York, USA

posted 26 February 2005 05:14 AM     profile     
Leon.. Stunning!!.. You should be very proud!!! I hope you play it in good health for another 50 years!!! bob
Al Marcus
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From: Cedar Springs,MI USA

posted 26 February 2005 08:56 AM     profile     
Leon-Absolutely beautiful work. Congratulations.....al

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Ron Steenwijk
Member

From: Greensburg,PA

posted 26 February 2005 09:15 AM     profile     
Nice Job Leon.

Give me your adres and I will send you some steel guitars because I think that you have it.
I wish I had your hands.

Ron

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Leon Roberts
Member

From: Tallahassee,FL USA

posted 26 February 2005 09:08 PM     profile     
I’m overwhelmed with all the neat positive comments. I played the above mentioned guitar tonight and the band was highly impressed with both appearance and tone. I’m sort of “gun shy” about putting it on the bandstand with all the activity of setting up. My next project is refurbishing Dr. Purvis’ Lloyd Green model. He wants me to strip it down to the bare maple and do a natural finish like I did on my PRO-III. Doing a natural finish is easier in my opinion. You don't have to worry about masking off the inlay to prevent the stain from ruining the inlay. This is a later model LDG so we will throw away all the cap pistol parts and put my undercarriage on it. I’ll take before and after photos so you guys can see if it really makes a difference.(LOL) Once again, thanks for the encouraging comments.
Leon
Leon Roberts
Member

From: Tallahassee,FL USA

posted 02 March 2005 06:55 PM     profile     
My Sho-Bud professional is all finish. I’m posting some photos of the changers and the undercarriage. It plays as sweet as it looks. This is what I think a Sho-bud should be. I have a pro-III and a LDG with the same system. I machined out all the parts with the exception of the raise and lowering bars of the changers. Those I got from Billy Ray of Rayline music.





Leon

[This message was edited by Leon Roberts on 02 March 2005 at 06:57 PM.]

Darvin Willhoite
Member

From: Leander, Tx. USA

posted 03 March 2005 06:07 AM     profile     
Man thats NICE!!!! You have kind of "flung a cravin' on me" to rebuild another Sho Bud. Anybody got a basket case they want to get rid of?

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Riva Ridge Recording


Donald Dunlavey
Member

From: Jonesboro, Georgia, USA

posted 24 April 2005 02:53 PM     profile     
Leon, that's a great job you've done on the Professional, machining looks great as well as the finish, I know you must be proud of it. The professionals just have a tone don't they.

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Leon Roberts
Member

From: Tallahassee,FL USA

posted 24 April 2005 04:00 PM     profile     
Thanks for the neat positive comments guys. The blue professional is now my guitar of choice. I’ll be using it to back up Charlie McCoy Saturday night. Leon
Mark Vinbury
Member

From: N. Kingstown, Rhode Island, USA

posted 25 April 2005 05:47 AM     profile     
Leon-- That is some beautiful work.Thanks for sharing it.
Your rundown of the finishing process was great. Refreshed my memory on why I sell my lap steel kits unfinished.Whew!!!
Eric West
Member

From: Portland, Oregon, USA

posted 01 May 2005 05:31 PM     profile     
Leon

BEEEautiful!

I was looking for this page and couldn't find it.

I have a couple projects to do when the weather clears here, and I'll email you some Qs if you don't mind. Hopefully easy ones.

Not our mom's blue food coloring, that's for sure!

WHen I went to pick up my Marrs at Duane and Jeffs, there was a similar color blue Bud there.

I might just do it to Blondie PIII this summer, but I'm just leaning towards a utility coating. We'll see.

EJL

Leon Roberts
Member

From: Tallahassee,FL USA

posted 01 May 2005 08:07 PM     profile     
Eric, thanks for the compliment. I'll be happy to answer any question I can. How is the tone and sustain of your Professional with all the Marrs'replacement parts. I would bet that your are diggin the "new" axe. Dana Flood told me mine sounded like a Sho-Bud on steriods. Of course that was when he was playing it.
Leon

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