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Topic: Baritone" E9
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Tony Palmer
Member From: Lincoln, RI USA
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posted 24 February 2005 11:51 AM
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OK, I didn't know what else to call it, but has anyone ever restrung a standard E9 with heavier strings, keeping everything else the same except lowering the open key down to, say A9 or even G9?
The intention would be to get a fatter E9 sound, more suitable for rock and blues, but without having to learn a whole new tuning. |
Ron Steenwijk
Member From: Greensburg,PA
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posted 24 February 2005 12:03 PM
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Paul Franlin has done that on his tripple neck I believe.Ron ------------------
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Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 24 February 2005 01:10 PM
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Right. As I remember, Paul has one that is an octave lower than the standard E9th. Of course my memory may be faulty due to CRS.  |
Tony Palmer
Member From: Lincoln, RI USA
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posted 24 February 2005 02:30 PM
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Any recordings made with it?
Paul, I'd love to hear more about it... |
Bill Ford
Member From: Graniteville SC Aiken
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posted 24 February 2005 02:39 PM
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Tony,
I think there is a clip on PFs website.
BillOops,nope, but there is a listing of a couple of sessions he used it on.
http://www.paul-franklin.com/ [This message was edited by Bill Ford on 24 February 2005 at 02:46 PM.] |
Hook Moore
Member From: South Charleston,West Virginia
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posted 24 February 2005 03:10 PM
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I think this pretty red 3 neck has the baritone.
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Donny Hinson
Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 24 February 2005 03:26 PM
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One thing you might try, Tony, is to stay off the first 4 E9th strings. As I mentioned in another thread a few days ago, it's those "whiney" top strings that most people object to. Strings 5-10, with all the pedals we have, still give you plenty to work with in the blues/rock genre. |
Ron Steenwijk
Member From: Greensburg,PA
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posted 24 February 2005 03:38 PM
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BillIf my memory serves me correct Paul uses his Baritone neck on some backgroundnotes. Ron ------------------
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Chris Brooks
Member From: Providence, Rhode Island
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posted 24 February 2005 03:42 PM
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I thought about stringing up my extended E9 a whole tone lower, to a D9. With my E to F lever also lowering string 12 a minor third, that would have put the lowest note available down to a B!But I went with the normal extended E9 for ease in playing on the stand and "reading" bass players' left hands ... Chris |
Bill Stafford
Member From: Gulfport,Ms. USA
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posted 24 February 2005 05:02 PM
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On my 14 string tuning, the fourteenth string is tuned to E, three octaves under the first E string in the tuning. (120 ga). My first two foot pedals pull three Bs to C# and three G#s to A. Everything that is happening in the tuning in the higher (standard E9 groups) is now "happening" in the lower three registers and can be use as your discretion desires. No major relearning required-you just have a bigger ball field to play in. My E9 tuning has 48 combinations (triads) of the E chord in the open fret with no pedal or lever manipulations. Bill Stafford |
Tony Dingus
Member From: Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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posted 24 February 2005 07:44 PM
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Paul used the baritone neck on Lee Ann Womack's "Some Things I Know" cd on the song
"A Little Past Little Rock". Different but, nice! I love traditional steel and I like new twist too, be it tunings or effects. Tony |
Jim Smith
Member From: Plano, TX, USA
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posted 24 February 2005 07:50 PM
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Dekley built a S-10 tuned one octave lower for Jimmie Crawford many moons ago, but I don't know if he ever recorded anything with it. |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 24 February 2005 08:02 PM
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quote:
The intention would be to get a fatter E9 sound, more suitable for rock and blues, but without having to learn a whole new tuning.
I personally feel that the 12 string "Extended E9th" is a great tuning for rock and blues. The two extra strings work just like their octave counterparts, so there's no "whole new tuning" to learn.
One change I make is to lower the low E to D on the 3rd pedal. It doesn't interfere with normal "C" pedal stuff and it adds a great D-A-D power chord position into the mix.------------------
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Tony Palmer
Member From: Lincoln, RI USA
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posted 25 February 2005 06:18 AM
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Bob, that's true if you happen to have a 12 string....which I don't!
I'm doing a recording project and have an extra steel I'd like to try re-stringing for a fatter lap steel type sound with a little overdrive.
I'd like to know what gauge strings to use to get a lower tuned steel and if the pedals and levers would still work with the heavier gauge strings.
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David Doggett
Member From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 25 February 2005 07:38 AM
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Tony, I'm e-mailing you a table and a chart with a curve that allows you to read out the appropriate string guage for any note. It only goes down to the low B on a universal, but you could extrapolate the curve further if you needed to know about notes lower than that. This is nothing official. I just made it myself using the typical guages used in E9 and C6 string packs. |
Bob Carlucci
Member From: Candor, New York, USA
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posted 25 February 2005 08:05 AM
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I am not trying to be a smart ass but is the hassle really worth it on an E9 ??.. For most guys our standard E9 will give us 95% coverage.. The extra 5% could easily be covered by a 12 string extended E9 for those so inclined or even a good lap steel for us fatter lazier types[like yours truly] to cover the couple of tunes where that low bluesy growl is needed... bob
[This message was edited by Bob Carlucci on 25 February 2005 at 08:06 AM.] |
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