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Billy T. Johnson
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From: Statesboro, Georgia, USA

posted 02 July 2005 06:47 PM     profile     
on my Derby the LKL is lined up perfectly with the C pedal. my ZUMM had the LKL lined up with the B pedal. so, my new Derby floor pedals are shifted ONE space further to the LEFT relative to the LKL knee than my old ZUMM. so the angle your left knee has to make to clear the left knees is sharper and the therefore releasing the B pedal while holding the A can be trick IF you are not use to it and the pedals are not optimally adjusted.

Charles Reese in Clearwater, SC helped me determine that while on the phone today with him.

who can compare there Derby to another steel? note the LKL alignment to the B or C pedals? please email me and post here.

i may not need to do anything further as i have adjusted the pedals to allow me to release B while holding A and getting use to the Derby moving from a Zumm will condition me to deal with my ankle bending over more.

there are proper holes in body and brace to allow the ABC to be shifted to the right one space.

one thought is to add a 4th floor pedal, shifting the original ABC pedals down one space, then i COULD convert the original A pedal to another floor pedal (DABC pedals you might say) move such as the move that Franklin made famous. just a thought.

like i said, i feel i can deal with it now as adjusted.

Who has noticed this before and had to make changes to get use to the left slewed floor pedals?

ALSO i wonder if my Derby's floor pedals were moved one space to the left by a formrer owner? who may know this info?

anyway, the Derby tunes great and the pedals feel good has really nice sound also. so i am very happy with the Derby so far. like many PSG players say, a new stseel is like getting fitted for a custom hand-made suit.

thanks for all the help,

Billy

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William Johnson (Billy)
Grievous Angel Productions
Statesboro, GA. 30461 USA
www.grievousangelpro.com

Allan Thompson
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From: Scotland.

posted 03 July 2005 04:33 AM     profile     
Billy,
Could the original set up have been a Day set up and changed to Emmons or vice versa.
John Daugherty
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From: Rolla, Missouri, USA

posted 03 July 2005 08:39 AM     profile     
Billy, I use the "DAY" setup and had the opposite problem with my Marlen. I had to modify my LKL lever to get it closer to my skinny leg. It is easier to modify a knee lever than to change the floor pedals. You may be able to make a knee lever with a "stairstep" bend in it,to move it farther from your leg.
Billy T. Johnson
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From: Statesboro, Georgia, USA

posted 03 July 2005 12:17 PM     profile     
Charles R. and I takiled about possibly being a Jimmy Day set up. I reported back what Charles told me to look for. It cetainly is not a Day set up at present and also it appears to never had been (unless it was done at Derby) as the under carriage is perfectly clean and in order.

Charles also asked me to verify all the floor pedal pulls and it is a Emmons set up (which I knew anyway but you can always learn).

Charles mentioned the Franklin 'move' that some PSG players use (i am not familiar with the move). he said that some add the move to the ABC, either on the extreme left or right of teh ABC.

i am not sure what i'll do. i have, like i said in an earier post, made some adjustments on the B and LKL pedals work pretty goof for me, but is still a little weird feeling as is a hard ankle move to get quickly.

please do not take these posts as i am unhappy with the Derby as I really like it, but it is set up diffeently from what i have used in the past based on my body and style. several other Derby players have reported to me the similar initial issues with their Derny's but they all got it resolved and are very happy. I know i am not a seasoned PSG player, but so far the Derby feels much like the ZUMM i owned about 7 years back. That ZUMM was the best feeling and sounding PSG i had ever played up to present, but this Derby will as be good or better when i get the 'A pedal to LKL knee' angel reduced some (move the ABC down ONE pedal location or whatever i do). I will contact Charlie at Derby on Tuesday about some options like buying a floor pedal kit to maybe add a 4th floor and then sliding ABC to the right one location changing the original A to the Franklin 'move' or some useful floor move in the first pedal location. This will make the 'Emmons setup' B pedal directly aigned with the LKL which is like the ZUMM i remember and the ZUMM Charles R. knows.

thanks for everyones interest and help,

Billy

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William Johnson (Billy)
Grievous Angel Productions
Statesboro, GA. 30461 USA
www.grievousangelpro.com

John Bechtel
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From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.

posted 04 July 2005 09:21 PM     profile     
Billy;
As I believe I told you in an e-mail, SD–10 Derbys start on the floor with (3)-pedals in positions 2–3–4 on the Pedal, with the first position Empty. (Both Emmons & Day Setups) Unless the guitar was ordered originally with more than (4)-Pedals, the only Pedal you can add is in position-(1). But, of course; the setup can still be changed to either Emmons or Day! [The SD–10 comes standard from the factory with (3)-Pedals in positions 2–3–4]

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Billy T. Johnson
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From: Statesboro, Georgia, USA

posted 04 July 2005 11:16 PM     profile     
yes you did 'Big John' and i aprreciate your emails and help.

i just looked again, and on my Derby the

1st position is where pedal A is located, i.e. there is no open holes on the front or rear body LEFT of the A pedal.

there are available holes (at least on the body) between teh A and B and C with one to teh right also.

so based on the info i've been told, either this steel was specially made for the buyer or/and for who he may plan to give it to or it was modified in the field. if so in the field it was done very professionally.

maybe this explains why my Derby is hard for me to release the B and hold the A as on mky Derby the A pedal is in the first hole NOT the 2nd.

agree?

who feels one logical approach is convert the 1st location to the Franklin 'move' and then side ABC to the right (back to Derby's standard ABC setup), which i guess would be properly labled DABC?

BTW: what the h... is the infamous 'Franklin Move' other than a 4th floor pedal? what string(s) to what note(s)?

thanks for everyone's help. it sounds like i need to take it to a seasoned PSG shop.

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William Johnson (Billy)
Grievous Angel Productions
Statesboro, GA. 30461 USA
www.grievousangelpro.com

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posted 05 July 2005 11:08 AM     profile     
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