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Topic: For All you "Barrel Tuning" Sho-Bud'ers
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Ricky Davis
Moderator From: Spring, Texas USA
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posted 06 July 2005 10:19 AM
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Ok here it is; the latest Genious fix and wonderful addition for us Sho-bud guys with Barrel tuners.
This is a Rod I convinced our great John Coop to make and I just received the proto-type and it is PERFECT. This is a Metal Hex end affixed to a stainless steel rod to turn our barrels with;> instead of the inferior metal tuner that simply sqeezes/screws onto the rod end and WILL come loose eventually and tuning will slip and or it will pop off..ha.(had that happen a week ago and I even work on these things..ha.)
Well I'll have NO MORE Of THAT...ha...
This metal hex end is affixed/bonded to the rod and will NEVER come off; and you will break the rod before that hex end will come off or slip..and you and I both know you will never break a rod..ha..
Also with this hex end; you can now use your regular open end 3/16" hex driver/tuning wrench; that is so popular with the nylon tuning steels(so you can toss away the allen wrench   ).
I'm sending John Coop all my Rod measurements now and I can't get them on my Sho-bud Fast enough....This is IT Man....every barrel tuning sho-bud should have these rods> HANDS DOWN.
Here's a pic of two of the rods...
Order all your new barrel turning rods from John Coop RIGHT NOW; or a swear on your next gig; that one of your old metal tuners is gunna pop off..ha...
John's email is Cshobud1@wmconnect.com
No go get'um.
Ricky
[This message was edited by Ricky Davis on 06 July 2005 at 10:24 AM.] |
Jon James
Member From: Beverly Hills, California, USA
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posted 06 July 2005 11:40 AM
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Ricky, is the depth of the new end to the same specs as the old one. I think if it were any longer, it would not fit in my case. |
Ricky Davis
Moderator From: Spring, Texas USA
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posted 06 July 2005 12:06 PM
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Jon; I suggested to John Coop that they be 3/8" and that's what they are...and now they stick out flush with the endplate as opposed to sticking out past the endplate like the old metal tuners..ha...
Remember; when I say PERFECT...that's what I mean..ha...in every way man.
Ricky[This message was edited by Ricky Davis on 06 July 2005 at 12:06 PM.] |
JOHN COOP
Member From: YORKTOWN, IND. USA
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posted 06 July 2005 08:40 PM
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Rick..Thank you for your kind words of confidence in my work. Glad you liked them. COOP |
Al Marcus
Member From: Cedar Springs,MI USA
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posted 06 July 2005 09:08 PM
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Ricky-If John keeps coming up with these improved parts for Sho-Buds, he sure is going to make thousands of old Sho-Bud owners happy......al ------------------
My Website..... www.cmedic.net/~almarcus/ |
Ricky Davis
Moderator From: Spring, Texas USA
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posted 07 July 2005 09:16 AM
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You Betcha John.
Al; I totally Agree, as I know John Coop has made me on HAPPY CAMPER.
Ricky |
L. A. Wunder
Member From: Lombard, Illinois, USA
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posted 07 July 2005 09:35 AM
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Ricky,
I saw your post about the new hex rods. They're something that's long ovedue. Do you know offhand how much the rods for a single-10 would cost? I'd e-mail John Coop, but I sometimes have trouble getting messages back-and-forth on "Outlook." If the cost isn't too high, I'd like to set-up the old SB 6140, I told you about a few months back. Thanks for giving us all the "heads up". |
Ricky Davis
Moderator From: Spring, Texas USA
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posted 07 July 2005 11:10 AM
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Yes you'll have to get with John Coop about the price; as that's his deal and we haven't discussed it. I just ordered all my rods and never asked how much; as I'll pay WHATEVER for these rods as that to me is the most reliable thing one can do to their barrel tuning Sho-bud> hands DOWN.
Ricky |
Rick Schmidt
Member From: Carlsbad, CA. USA
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posted 07 July 2005 11:22 AM
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Very cool!!!  |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 07 July 2005 05:46 PM
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Hey Rickie-poo, you have me impressed, I love it, and the Sho-Bud lovers of the world need it!
You and John keep up this kind of thinking! Hundreds of players need it.
Bobbster |
Ricky Davis
Moderator From: Spring, Texas USA
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posted 07 July 2005 07:15 PM
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Thanks Bobbe; as that means alot coming from you(my original sho-bud mentor) and John and I have been discussing stuff almost every day and have more cool things a-coming(I haven't even broken the ice with some more ideas I have for John..ha.)as John is a Master Tool-maker and he is impressing me with his work.
Our inspiration is Shot Jackson looking down from above; and would he of Liked this or Liked that???
Bobbe in reguards to the other thread> How about you plunk down the 250K and buy Sho-bud and John and I will make parts and build them and you sell them and kick back in your chair with a big fat cigar and that big ole grin of yours; just countin' the cash in hand????
Ricky |
Rick McDuffie
Member From: Smithfield, North Carolina, USA
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posted 07 July 2005 08:26 PM
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Great stuff, Ricky. I often wondered why someone hadn't done this.Now just figure out a way to accurately tune those second barrels on rods that have two pulls (without going under the guitar), and you'll have it all knocked! Rick
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Ricky Davis
Moderator From: Spring, Texas USA
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posted 07 July 2005 08:53 PM
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Rick; that's easy..ha.
The main thing is the amount of spring sticking out of the end of the barrel on the barrel that has the most distance; as it should be very short(a nub)> so it will clear when you engage the shorter pull on that same rod. Also; there should be no slack on when any of the barrels engage and that is done by making the stops stop the pedal or knee travel just at the note or a tad sharp of the note your tuning(as the compression of the barrel spring is all the slack you need).
That is the most problem I see when I get barrel tuning sho-buds over here; is the player has too much slack between the puller(or rack) and barrel when sitting idle.
Once set up properly(timed stops; particular spring tension on given return springs and certain raise springs on or off> the barrel tuning Sho-bud will play perfect and you will rarely have to tune the changes.
Ricky |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 07 July 2005 09:32 PM
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Yes Ricky, I'd buy Sho-Bud, but Fred said he didn't have change for a million dollar bill. (yea, a doctor bill!) |
Ricky Davis
Moderator From: Spring, Texas USA
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posted 09 July 2005 02:27 PM
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Ha...that's a good one Bobbe...
Anyway; I hope everyone has ordered their barrel tuning rods. If not; I'll be the first to say: "I told ya so"..ha..
Ricky |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 10 July 2005 08:18 AM
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Ricky,you bet JOHN is doing some great stuff for us sho-bud owners. question is that little washer part of the hex,or a extra washer in front. metal or nylon?? man i can't wait to get started, my wife has been really sick,i had to take some time off.I will be back going soon i hope.
Thanks Ricky and John for all your doing.
farris |
Ricky Davis
Moderator From: Spring, Texas USA
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posted 10 July 2005 09:35 AM
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Farris that is a extra washer and it's nylon.
Ricky |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 10 July 2005 10:19 AM
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Ricky, next question!!that nylon take anything away from the sound?? farris |
Ricky Davis
Moderator From: Spring, Texas USA
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posted 10 July 2005 11:33 AM
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Farris; No, absolutely NOT!! What is does do, is get rid of any metal clank noise and gets rid of any metal wear on the hex and finger that can occur and gets rid of any binding when turning and .....well shall I go on??ha.....
Ricky[This message was edited by Ricky Davis on 10 July 2005 at 11:34 AM.] |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 10 July 2005 12:07 PM
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Thanks Ricky,you explain it so well!!but i had it in mind,nylon might become a muffler of some sort. Well,now we have it first hand and thats good enough for me. You guys are the greatest. farris |
JOHN COOP
Member From: YORKTOWN, IND. USA
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posted 10 July 2005 12:43 PM
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Farris..Surely you don't think that Rick or I would do anything that would take away from "THAT TONE" !!!!!!! Coop |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 10 July 2005 01:31 PM
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in no way JOHN,you guys are the greatest!!i was thinking the old hex allen wrench went directly into the puller.and just wanted to ask because you guys knows for sure whats best. ok, i'm trying to get back going again, we been going back and forth to Sarasoto Hospital.Thanks my Friends
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Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 10 July 2005 06:42 PM
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Neil Lang
Member From: Albert Lea, Minnesota, USA
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posted 17 July 2005 12:56 PM
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John,
This is what we talked about on the phone last night! It is really a great improvement on this type of rod & pulling system. Glad you mentioned this thread, and thanks to Ricky for a great picture of it!
Neil |
Ricky Davis
Moderator From: Spring, Texas USA
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posted 17 July 2005 04:25 PM
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Hey Cool Neil; but remember, I INVENTED this rod and John Coop made the dream come true..ha..
I just played two gigs with my new barrel tuning rods in there....and OH MY GOSH....it is a Dream and no more worries about the old metal tuners coming off or slipping or anything. And with 1/8" stainless steel rod; I'm noticing even more of a possitive Non-flex/tension pull....>about as smooth and accurate as anyone can imagine/wish for.
This to me; is the greatest thing since sliced bread; for the barrel tuning Sho-buds HANDS DOWN!!!
Thanks John R Coop Sr. for making the perfect part.
Ricky |
Neil Lang
Member From: Albert Lea, Minnesota, USA
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posted 17 July 2005 04:47 PM
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Ricky,GREAT idea..........keep up the great work!!
John & I talked about some other improvements to older Buds. I have a friend who machines parts looking at a part to make, that fits in front of the baskets. Then use nylon nuts on stationary rods? I'll have to see if it works. If it does I'll put some pictures on a new thread. Neil |
Ricky Davis
Moderator From: Spring, Texas USA
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posted 17 July 2005 08:46 PM
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Hey Neil; I'm not sure what your trying to accomplish, can you explain more? If your wanting to use nylon tuners for a rack and Barrel Sho-bud; by bypassing the barrel; All you need is a 1/8" shaft collar behind the rack on the rods that pull a finger that only has 1 change on it. That's already been done and it's real easy; you just take the barrel off and slip the shaft collar on the rod behind the rack and set screw it down to a rod that has threads at the finger end and nylon tuner on it and your good to go. But of course you can't do that on the rods that pull a finger twice.
But I'll tell you that the down-side is a stiffer pull.
Ricky
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JOHN COOP
Member From: YORKTOWN, IND. USA
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posted 24 July 2005 08:50 PM
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JOHN COOP
Member From: YORKTOWN, IND. USA
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Neil Lang
Member From: Albert Lea, Minnesota, USA
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posted 12 August 2005 07:23 PM
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Ricky & John,
I have a tool & die man working on some parts for changing a barrel system to a nylon tuning system. What I have in mind will only require new pull rods w/nylon tuners & one "pull Bar" with 10 set screws for each rack. I'll let you know if it works for me or not? I told him to take his time, so I don't know for sure when the parts will be ready to try? Thanks guys for all the GREAT work you do for the Old Sho-Buds!!!
Neil[This message was edited by Neil Lang on 12 August 2005 at 07:25 PM.] |
JOHN COOP
Member From: YORKTOWN, IND. USA
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posted 25 August 2005 11:35 PM
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JOHN COOP
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Jack Anderson
Member From: Scarborough, ME
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posted 03 August 2006 09:02 AM
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Ricky, I just noticed something in re-reading this thread: how will converting a single-pull rod to be tuned at the changer end with a nylon tuner stiffen the pull? |
John Groover McDuffie
Member From: California, USA
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posted 03 August 2006 09:36 AM
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Great idea!! It would be great to only have to carry one type of tuning tool in my seat. (and we all know how painful THAT can be!!)My 10th string rod lost it's end cap several times on gigs. I got pretty adept at driving it back on by bonucing the rod (tuning end down) on the base of my mike stand (ad-hoc anvil). I finally had it brazed on there by Dave Borisoff (thanks, Dave) but the washer is long gone. |
Dave Seddon
Member From: Leicester, England.
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posted 03 August 2006 09:56 AM
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On my old Sho-Bud which was R&B, I made a new set of rods from Stainless steel welding rods threaded one end and used the standard nylon tuners with Locktite threadlock. Never had any problems.
Dave. |
Micky Byrne
Member From: Essex and Gloucestershire England
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posted 03 August 2006 12:13 PM
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Hey Dave, I knew you were a dab hand on fixing things good. Maybe one day if you have the time, I'll come over to you and if you have spare bit...I know you gave me some, you can change a few pulls to my Carter uni. Still no news on my Sho-Bud, I don't want to hurry David Langdon, as he's been a little buisy. Cheers mate :-)Micky Byrne England www.mickybyurne.com |
Micky Byrne
Member From: Essex and Gloucestershire England
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posted 03 August 2006 12:16 PM
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I ment www.mickybyrne.com too many glasses of wine :-) |
Ben Elder
Member From: La Crescenta, California, USA
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posted 03 August 2006 01:12 PM
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Can anyone post/restore a pic of these assemblies (especially installed)? I have negligible mechanical reasoning skills and don't trust my minimal powers of technical visualization. |
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