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Steve Richards
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From: North Carolina, USA

posted 14 September 2005 02:27 PM     profile     
Thought I'd introduce myself. I'm Steve Richards, 54 and live in Charlotte, NC. I haven't posted here before as I have gotten so addicted to just exploring around on the Forum and getting lost in different links.
At the moment I don't have a Pedal Steel, but I am very interested. The type of music that I feel most attracted to would probably be considered West Coast or Austin City Limits style (ie Country/Rock, Folk/Rock, Blues, and some older '50-'60's Classic Country). I'm not too keen on standard Top 40 Commercial of any style. Here lately, I've been trying to find out all I can about Sneaky Pete and Curley Chalker. I also like the Basil Henriques style I've heard!
So - I guess my first question is would some type of cable Fender be OK for me to learn on (400/1000 later model or 800/2000). I've also been looking really hard at the Fender Artist model - S10 3+4 or D10. What kind of prices do these models usually go for. I think that I'm mostly interested in the Fender Artist model. How are these as far as cabinet drop (whatever that is) and staying or returning to being in tune? I also would like to have the option to experiment and tinker some. At any rate I'm gonna have to sell my acoustic guitar before I can do anything, Hopefully I can get around 1,000 +/- for it. I don't really want do mess with E-bay. Then I have to deal with the wife ( "you're wanting to get a what - I don't like country music")
Well I guess that's enough for now. I'm usually very shy!

thanks for letting me join up!

Steve

oh, is being left-footed an advantage?

now back to the Forum

Ray Minich
Member

From: Limestone, New York, USA

posted 14 September 2005 03:24 PM     profile     
Steve; welcome to the big swimming pool. If I was you and had all that interstate around me I'd find a steel guitar store and browse for a while before I committed to any particular PSG type axe. I think there's one in Hamburg, Pa. (Really ain't no thrill like seeing 10 or 20 steels lined up in a row. They're like puppies, you wanna take all of 'em home...)

[This message was edited by Ray Minich on 14 September 2005 at 03:25 PM.]

Charlie McDonald
Member

From: Lubbock, Texas, USA

posted 14 September 2005 04:20 PM     profile     
Welcome, Steve.

I did the same thing--got addicted to the forum. After a brief fling with a bad steel (which I sold) I kept reading for months and bought a good beginner steel.
A lot of what I read just rubbed off and I learned more than I realized.

So take Ray's advice, and take your time.
A good starter steel will turn up here, and these guys are reliable, and concerned about their reputations (!).

Tell your wife you don't have to play country to play pedal steel. But the country roots do go deep in this instrument.

Larry Strawn
Member

From: Golden Valley, Arizona, USA

posted 14 September 2005 04:49 PM     profile     
Welcome Steve,,,

Jump right in,,, waters fine!!

Larry

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Emmons S/D-10, 3/5, Sessions 400 Ltd. Home Grown E/F Rack
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Bob Carlucci
Member

From: Candor, New York, USA

posted 14 September 2005 05:04 PM     profile     
Steve.. why a Fender??... they are ok, but a decent modern steel WILL serve you much better.. If its the SOUND you are after, getting the old Fender sound out of a modern steel is a piece of cake.. NOTHING against Fender steels,, I love them and own one, but would NOT recommend them for a beginner. Get a modern steel is my advice..

The old ones are great, but are more tempremental,and you need to play the steel and NOT be adjusting/fixing/fiddling...Feel free to email with any specifics.. I'd be happy to help..bob

Larry Jamieson
Member

From: Walton, NY USA

posted 14 September 2005 06:13 PM     profile     
Hello Steve, Welcome to the Forum! Some of the other boys have given you good advice - get a modern steel. You have two good steel guitar stores close to you, Billy Coopers Music in Orange, Virginia, and Bobby Seymores Steel Guitar Nashville in the Nashville Tennesee area. Take a trip and check out several different guitars, see what they feel like and sound like. Both shops have excellent players who will demo the guitars for you.
Good, used pro models come up for sale here all the time. Mullen, Derby, Zum, Carter, Williams, are all good guitars, and there are others. Ask on the Forum if you have any questions before buying a guitar.
Find a teacher if you can when you are ready to start. This instrument has a long learning curve and a good teacher will move you along at a faster pace. Sounds like for the music you are interested in, I would suggest a single 10 E9 tuning with at least three pedals, four knee levers.
Well, enough rambling. Welcome to the wild and wonderful world of steel guitar.
Larry J. Walton, NY
Steve Richards
Member

From: North Carolina, USA

posted 14 September 2005 07:14 PM     profile     
Thanks everybody for all the advice!

The reason for my interest in the Fender 400 later model was that it might give me an economical alternative to learn a 6th type of tuning and are supposed to be easy to change things around on, plus they're wood, plus they look pretty good.

The reason I was interested in the Fender Artist S-10 3+4 was if their were 4400 of them made then there are probably alot of parts available if needed.

I just don't really a starter that's welded, but I do understand the need for someone new to stay with the basics first.

I have noticed on the LInks to Manufacturers page a link to BSG. There is an intermediate model s-10 3+4 for $1000. Does anyone have any info on this.

I do realize that I should get out and actually go to a PSG store and I wish that I could. My reason for not doing so is that my wife is paralyzed due to a spinal cord injury and I just can't take that much time away her.

thanks again for the help and keep those tips coming

now back to the forum

Steve

James Morehead
Member

From: Durant, Oklahoma, USA

posted 14 September 2005 08:28 PM     profile     
Welcome Steve! I've herd alot of good things about the Carter Starter. I've seen them sell for $700--$800 new, and good used ones around $500. They sound great, play great, and are a modern guitar that's a 3X4.
Charles Davidson
Member

From: Alabama, USA

posted 15 September 2005 10:29 AM     profile     
Hello Steve Welcome. I have never played a Carter starter, but have heard a lot of good things about them as far as a guitar to begin on.If you try to learn on an old Fender or any other brand that has tuning problems,you will give up before you get started good.If a guitar stays in tune you can make music,if it's out of tune ,your only making noise. A new player needs all the help he can get,I think being able to play in tune is number one!!!If you get a guitar that has tuning problems you WILL regret it.
James Morehead
Member

From: Durant, Oklahoma, USA

posted 15 September 2005 05:41 PM     profile     
If you start out on a guitar that stays correct with minimal tweaking, you will eliminate allot of distractions and frustration, so you can fast track your playing. Then when you get a good foundation under your belt, and your skill level increases, you can always get some of the trickier(mechanicaly) guitars to play.
basilh
Member

From: United Kingdom

posted 15 September 2005 06:26 PM     profile     
Hello Steve..There are NO more tuning problems with the Fender 400/1000 or 800/2000 guitars than any other guitars..Only "Pilot Error"..!!In fact the Fender guitars of the 60's that had an Al-Mag Frame, just didn't suffer from "Cabinet Drop".
Even so, I wouldn't recommend one of these guitars for what you require..You really need a guitar with Knee Levers and 10 strings.

From what you say, I think that an SD10 with 6x4 using the C6th tuning, and set up as per the "Standard" C6 is the way to go..You'll have the benefit of plenty of instructional material available, both in Tab and Video format..

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Steve Richards
Member

From: North Carolina, USA

posted 15 September 2005 09:41 PM     profile     
Basil -- thanks for he advice, but I'm not sure I know exactly what you mean by

"From what you say, I think that an SD10 with 6x4 using the C6th tuning, and set up as per the "Standard" C6 is the way to go..You'll have the benefit of plenty of instructional material available, both in Tab and Video format.."

Do you man that I should look for a single C6 neck (with 6 pedals and 4 knee levers) on a SD-10 frame instead of the E9 neck?

The answer to this question might be over my head but what is the advantage of my going with C6 as opposed to E9, since most everyone else has suggested that I get a E9 starter type guitar. Where would I begin to look for what you suggest?

By the way, I really do enjoy yor style of playing. Especially the instrumental stuff. That's the main reason I was considering getting a Fender. It also seemed to more chord oriented.

thanks alot!

Steve R

Charles Davidson
Member

From: Alabama, USA

posted 16 September 2005 12:00 AM     profile     
Steve, I'm by no means trying to contradict what Basilh is saying,but if you are starting from scratch,you should start on the 9'th neck first,with something like a carter starter that will stay in tune.With at least two knee levers[I think the the carter has four].Learn the standard 9'th neck first,then if you desire to play c6th trade up to a D10. About 98-percent of what I play is on the 6'th neck because all my life I loved the sound of the 6'th tuning.But I learned the 9'th first and it helped me a lot when I started learning the 6'th. Just be sure you get a guitar that will stay in tune.that will help you more than any thing else.
Charlie McDonald
Member

From: Lubbock, Texas, USA

posted 16 September 2005 02:43 AM     profile     
Got to chime in on the Carter Starter.
I got a used one on the forum and haven't regretted it a minute. It keeps its tune and keeps its resale value. Mine cost $500 and would sell again for that, but it works great and so I won't--yet. It's called a Starter because if you get the bug bad it's a good place to trade up from, and you'll enjoy it while you have it.
basilh
Member

From: United Kingdom

posted 16 September 2005 03:15 AM     profile     
Steve, the reason I didn't recommend a twin or for you to start on the E9th tuning was dictated by you own choice of
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I've been trying to find out all I can about Sneaky Pete and Curley Chalker. I also like the Basil Henriques style I've heard!

Well that type of material is C6th tuning..
You mention having to sell your acoustic guitar, so I am presuming that you play a little..Your budget would seem to dictate a good single rather than a twin, and weighing up the requirements and you leaning toward Sneaky Pete and Curly Chalker and myself, I just don't think the E9th capable of the chordal stuff you seem to have in mind.

On the other hand, because you play ordinary guitar, you would have a much quicker grasp of the fundamentals of the E9th tuning,,the basic positions for the 1,4,5 chords in "Pockets" are pretty much the same as guitar positions, whereas the C6th is not so much guitar related as far as the fret positions go ..
A slight quandary.. maybe if you tell us more about the styles you wish to be influenced by and name a few well known examples tunewise, that could be a help..
Simplifying it a little,It seems to me that you have a liking for major sixth and major seventh sounds of the C6th, as opposed to the sus 4 and dominant seventh sounds of the E9th .
Basil

[This message was edited by basilh on 16 September 2005 at 03:16 AM.]

Steve Richards
Member

From: North Carolina, USA

posted 16 September 2005 01:53 PM     profile     
Basil- hello again and everyone else!

I suppose that the music I'm interested in would be progressions like

1 4 5;
1 6m 2m7 5 1
1 4dom7 5dom7
1 thirteenth 4 dom7 5 dom7
1 1 six 1 maj7 1 six 1
1 2min 3min 4 5
1 3 seven 6min 1 seven 4min 1 6min 4 5

Hank Williams Sr. - Lovesick Blues, I Can't help It
Bob Wills - Faded Love
Everly Bros. - Walk Right Back, All I Have to Do Is Dream
Eagles - Hotel California, Take It Easy, Desperodo
Ernest Tubb - Walking The Floor, Waltz Across Texas
Jackson Brown - Redneck Friend
Buddy Holly - True Love Ways, Raining In My Heart, Rave On
Randy Newman - Louisana
Nancy Griffith - Gulf Coast Highway
Nat King Cole - Ramblin' Rose
Louis Armstrong - Wonderfull World
Jerry Jeff Walker - Mississippi Your On My Mind
Wilburn Bros. - Trouble's Back In Town
Ventures -Walk Don't Run
Willie Nelson - Crazy, Nightlife, Lucky Ole Sun
Merle Haggard - Swinging Doors

etc.

I can't play all of these but this might give yall a general idea of my interest. I do like a chord emphasis with some of the melody played with the chord if possible.

Like a combinatiion of a strum and picking style

Oh, and I'm not planing on going out and playing anywhere, this is mostly a hobby thing.

thanks a bunch again

Steve R

I think that I read in another post that you were into Stargate. Which one?

basilh
Member

From: United Kingdom

posted 16 September 2005 06:11 PM     profile     
C6 no doubt about it, but I'd modify the setup to give the basic E9 sounding changes..I'll work up something for you to try.
It's a pity that Mr Dixon the tunings "Guru" no longer posts, but I think he still "lurks".. He could answer this one in a Split Second.
But then again,I suspect, so could b0b..
Are you prepared to go to 6p and 4k or even 8 and 4 on an SD10 or S10 ?
Baz
Steve Richards
Member

From: North Carolina, USA

posted 16 September 2005 09:18 PM     profile     
I thought that you would tell me that most of the progressions and songs I listed were basicly E9 and to go get a starter or used pro S-10. As far as being prepared - yeah! I just have to find someone to buy my 6 string and then try to find a decent single neck C6, if they exist. I look forward to what you might come up with. Is ebay to risky?

thanks

Steve R

Bob Hayes
Member

From: Church Hill,Tenn,USA

posted 20 September 2005 08:01 AM     profile     
Steve,
Contact Tony Prior...right there in Charlote! Great guy and great picker. He can probably help make the right decisions and get you headed in the right direction.Go out with him and see him play.
You may learn something
Grouchy
Rick Nicklas
Member

From: Pleasant Ridge, Mo

posted 20 September 2005 06:26 PM     profile     
Your wife doesn't like country music... Just take her to a George Strait Concert and tell her the steel guy is retiring in 2 years and you would really like to take his position and think you could if only you had the right equipment.... She would run out and buy you any steel you wanted. I'm just going on my wife's reactions to George.... Ha!

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Rick
Williams & Kline U-12's, Session 500

Steve Richards
Member

From: North Carolina, USA

posted 20 September 2005 06:37 PM     profile     
Rick - what a great suggestion!!!

thanks man thanks

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