quote:

---

The Jackson Steel is capable of raising a string pitch one tone up and lower 1/2 tone down, returning to within one cent of the open note. No current manufacturer of pitch changers can make this claim.

---

------------------
www.HookMoore.com

[This message was edited by Hook Moore on 10 November 2005 at 05:00 AM.]

------------------
Mike Mantey
Sales & Production Manager
Mullen Guitar Co., Inc.
(970) 664-2518 www.mullenguitars.com

[This message was edited by Mike Mantey on 10 November 2005 at 10:14 AM.]

My mullen returns perfect, along w/ my emmons and my old beater ZB.

Can't most guitars change 1-1/2 tones and return true? That was the point of a pedal steel I thought.

This latest chapter in the Jackson Steel saga will most certainly stir up the group!

I think we should wait until it's been seen and played by a number of trustworthy forumites before we decide if it's bad, so-so or really good, or maybe even the best thing to come along since sliced bread. Patience, gentlemen!

------------------
´75 Emmons p/p D10 8+4, '96 Emmons Legrande II D10 8+5, '72 AWH Custom D10 8+3, Peavey Nashville 1000

You can TELL me what my EARS are gonna hear..

OR

Just let MY EARS do there own thing...

I found that statement a bit over the edge...

It implies that EVERY Steel out there is inadequate. Even mine !

I tell you what..

when these Steels show up at a Trade show, they better return to 100% pitch..cuz ya know, thats the first thing we are all gonna look for...

There is obviously just the "salesman's hype" on the web site. The proof will be in the actual product.

quote:

---

The guitars of today are finished in Formica with simulated wood grain. The Jackson Steel offers exotic woods with a high-gloss lacquer finish.

---

I noticed in reading this, it looks like the Sho-Bud tradition of beautiful wood laquer bodies (over formica) will continue in the new Jackson Steel Guitars. Something Sho-Bud was always known for.

[This message was edited by Nick Reed on 11 November 2005 at 06:49 AM.]

And, no, I've not had a drop as I type this...

quote:

---

Our new Mullen Royal Precision will return 100% true every time. Whether raising or lowering a string, it comes back true.

---

If the new Mullen will do this without a lower return compensator. My hat is off to the Mullen crew.

On the 4th string I can play this sequence, plucking the string only once:

E>F#>D#>E

According to my two tuners, the last E is still in tune.

Likewise, on the 5th string I can play this sequence, plucking the string only once:

B>C#>A#>B

Again, the final B is still in tune.

Is hysteresis overcome by a better changer or by a better string?

------------------
Lee, from South Texas
Down On The Rio Grande

Mullen U-12, Evans FET-500, Fender Steel King

quote:

---

David was a builder of Sho-Bud steels. Jackson Steel Guitar Company is founded by David Jackson. He designs and builds Jackson Steel Guitars. Sho-Bud steels have been played and owned by Buddy Emmons, Lloyd Green, Tommy white, Steve 'Rabbit Easter. Emmons Steel, Sho-Bud, Zumm, Mullen, Marlen Steel, Remington Steel Guitars, Excel Steel, Derby Steel Guitars, Fessenden Steel Guitars, Gibson guitars, Taylor guitars. Karen Peck and New River birthed the new line of Jackson Steel Guitars on July 24, 2005 at their homecoming. Southern Gospel music as well as Country Gospel music, Jazz, Soul, Rhythm and Blues, Traditional Gospel, Black Gospel, Sacred Steel all use steel guitars, lap steels, slide guitars, frypan steel. Jackson steels the ultimate sound. Jackson Steel Guitar the next generation in steel guitars. Jackson Steel Guitars, David Jackson, Harold Shot Jackson, pioneer, innovator, design, production, pedal, Sho-Bro, Grand Old Opry, instruments, dobros, Country Music Hall of Fame, Nashville, Tennessee, builder, Sho-Bud, Buddy Emmons, Lloyd Green, Tommy white, Steve 'Rabbit Easter, Zumm, Mullen, Marlen, Remington, Excel, Derby, Fessenden, Gibson, Taylor, Karen Peck and New River, homecoming, Southern Gospel, Jazz, Soul, Rhythm and Blues, Traditional, Black, Sacred, lap, slide, frypan, ultimate sound. next generation

---

quote:

---

Ricky - I get the same results.

---

------------------
Rick
Kline E9th/S-12, Session 500, Goodrich L-10k

with trademark infringement? There is

already a "Jackson" guitar on the market.

Erv

PS: In doing a search, I find that "Jackson" is a registered trademark.

[This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 13 November 2005 at 07:19 AM.]

Although I thought I'd seen hysteresis on the 4th string of my Fessy b4, I just tried it

4th string
(Ricky's expt)
E - D# - E - F - E
returns to 0.0 cents (where it started)

(b0b's expt)
E - F# - E - D# - E
also returns right on the money

The main place that it bothers me is with whole tone (or more) pulls on wound strings

I raise my 9th string (B same as 10 on a 10 string) to D on a lever and to C# on the A pedal.
B to C# to D to C# returns with the C# about 4 cents sharp of where it started -- without 'Jerry's fix'. This consists of a knee lever stop mounted behind the bellcrank that limits the movement of the B to C# pull. You actually tune that change there.

The problem is that when the lever pulls the string to D the bellcrank on the A pedal B to C# pull goes further than the pedal stop allows. Restricting the motion of that bellcrank solved the problem 100% for me.

YMMV

------------------
Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S/D-12 6x6, 1984 Sho-Bud S/D-12 7x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps

quote:

---

Is hysteresis overcome by a better changer or by a better string?

---

Hysteresis is avoidable with a keyless head!

------------------
I'd rather be opinionated, than apathetic!