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Wade Branch
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From: Weatherford, Texas, USA

posted 12 January 2006 05:49 AM     profile     
Iam sure this has been discussed a million times on here,but I could not find the info I was looking for when I went to "search".

So my question is ,what strings do what ,when the Franklin pedal or lever is pressed ?Ive heard it on some licks and it sounds really nice.

Jim Walker
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From: Florida Panhandle

posted 12 January 2006 06:30 AM     profile     
My old MCI D10 had a Franklin pedal. If I remember right it lowered 5,6, and 10 a whole step. It was placed at the far left of the pedal row.

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clive swindell
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From: Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK

posted 12 January 2006 06:41 AM     profile     
Hi Wade

Paul Franklin now has an instruction CD that tells how to use this pedal and where to put it - to the right of pedal C. May as well hear it from the man himself!

Charlie McDonald
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From: Lubbock, Texas, USA

posted 12 January 2006 07:03 AM     profile     
Frankling coped: http://b0b.com/tunings/franklin.htm
David L. Donald
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From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

posted 12 January 2006 08:54 AM     profile     
It gives me a diminished right off the bat,
but also adds a b7 going to one, resolve I think is cool
and work to make usable.
Dave Little
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From: Conyers, GA

posted 12 January 2006 09:55 AM     profile     
Which of Paul's courses talks about this pedal? http://www.paul-franklin.com/instruction.htm
Dave Little
Larry Bell
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From: Englewood, Florida

posted 12 January 2006 10:39 AM     profile     
David D
Maybe I'm just dense but which bat do you use to get a diminished chord from the Franklin pedal????

F# D# G# E A F# F# E D A

I've looked at every note as a root and can't find anything that resembles a diminished triad or diminished 7th chord.

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Dave Mudgett
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From: Central Pennsylvania, USA

posted 12 January 2006 11:42 AM     profile     
The only way I see to get a dim triad with the PF pedal 4 set up like this is to add RKL E-to-Eb, which gives, on strings 8-4, Eb, F#, F#, A, Eb.
Larry Bell
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From: Englewood, Florida

posted 12 January 2006 12:09 PM     profile     
Well . . . yeah, if you leave out the b5
I'm assuming the root is F#
F#dim triad is F# A C
F#dim7 is F# A C D#

Move it up or down a minor third and you will get all the notes, but I'd call it a stretch to get F#dim out of F# A and D#.

Just move up one fret and hit the F lever
On the 1st fret, from 9th up it would be
D# F# __ A C F# A
if you lower 2 1/2 step there's another D#

The Franklin pedal is much more about pivot notes to me but whatever floats your boat.

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[This message was edited by Larry Bell on 12 January 2006 at 12:14 PM.]

Karl Koch
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From: Cathedral City, California, USA

posted 12 January 2006 12:24 PM     profile     
To David Little; The Franklin pedal C.D. isn't listed on his site but send him 20.00 and he'll get you one. He also has one on the lever that raises the F#'s, and lowers the Eb. I don't have the pedal 4 yet, but went ahead and moved a pull up to the second string to lower the Eb like he said and find myself liking it and using it alot.
Billy Murdoch
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From: Glasgow, Scotland, U.K.

posted 12 January 2006 12:27 PM     profile     
Paul has this pedal as #4,next to the C pedal.
I have seen several posts advising it be put #1,next to the A pedal.
Is it a pedal which is used along with other pedals or levers?
Is theere a valid reason for its position on the rack?
Best regards
Billy
Dave Mudgett
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From: Central Pennsylvania, USA

posted 12 January 2006 01:45 PM     profile     
quote:
Well . . . yeah, if you leave out the b5

Well, I was thinking more Eb, F#, A - on strings 8, 7/6, 5 - as a movable closed-voiced (1, b3, b5) Eb dim triad. The dim7 is just not there, only the triad. I didn't mention this to advocate it as primary usage, just that it's there. I prefer A+B+Eb+X, which gives the full dim7, or the F-lever approach you mentioned.

[This message was edited by Dave Mudgett on 12 January 2006 at 01:47 PM.]

Bill Hatcher
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From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 12 January 2006 06:47 PM     profile     
What does it do??.....

Makes Paul a lot of money....and rightfully so.

Larry Bell
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From: Englewood, Florida

posted 12 January 2006 07:55 PM     profile     
duuuuh!
how obvious was that?
sorry

somehow when I saw Eb Gb (F#) I saw a MAJOR THIRD so I figured the root must be one of the other notes

(not sure if that's too much or NOT ENOUGH coffee)

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John Bechtel
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From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.

posted 12 January 2006 10:47 PM     profile     
It belongs next to pedal (C), because; Paul says so!

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CrowBear Schmitt
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From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

posted 13 January 2006 02:17 AM     profile     
perhaps i'm wrong but i understood that the Franklin pedal goes next to the C if it's a Day setup otherwise it's goes to the left of pedal A if it's the Emmons set up

i've never had one but i'm gettin' it on my new Zum so i can discover & study the phenomena

[This message was edited by CrowBear Schmitt on 13 January 2006 at 02:17 AM.]

Wade Branch
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From: Weatherford, Texas, USA

posted 13 January 2006 05:38 AM     profile     
Wheh !! this post went south in a hurry.
Here let's make it simple...From what I can find the franklin pedal lowers the 5,6 & 10 string a whole note:
5- B to A
6- G# to F#
10- B to A
Is this correct ?

[This message was edited by Wade Branch on 13 January 2006 at 05:41 AM.]

John McGann
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From: Boston, Massachusetts, USA

posted 13 January 2006 05:57 AM     profile     


Paul's CD does explain it all with some great examples. You can't go wrong with any of his instructional material.

I put the 5 and 10 lower on the RKL lever so I can use it with the 4 and 8 lower lever (as suggested by Paul). Off the bat it gives you a different voicing for the V7 chord and some nice melodic possibilities. I'd say get that CD to get a good picture of what can be done with it.

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[This message was edited due to misinformation by John McGann on 13 January 2006 at 06:30 AM.]

[This message was edited by John McGann on 13 January 2006 at 10:12 AM.]

Larry Bell
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From: Englewood, Florida

posted 13 January 2006 08:11 AM     profile     
That's interesting John
I know that in 12/03 he wrote
quote:
I did not do away with the G# lower on the fourth pedal. I also lower it to E.
I skip the 6th string and raise the 7th a whole tone when I desire the split fourth pedal sound.
KEY of "F" slide whole phrase
4---8------6-------6(K-lower)---
5---8(P4)--6-------6------------
6-------------------------------
7---8(KW)--6(KW)---6------------

K-Lower = lowers 1/2 tone
KW = Whole tone raise
P4 = is pedal that drops 5,6, and 10 a whole tone.

Paul


I use that approach on one of my guitars and have the true split on my Sho-Bud. It's just a different way of thinking about the G# to F# (letting off a whole tone raise on 7). Granted, you can't raise the G# as one could on the B pedal and then lower, a la Emmons, with the unchanged 5th string, but I'm a bit surprised to hear that Paul has pulled that change off P4 since he uses them together pretty often.

Paul????

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Franklin
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From:

posted 13 January 2006 09:07 AM     profile     
John,
I raise both F#'s to G# with a half stop at G and I also raise the Eb to E on the same lever. If I were to lower or raise the G# on that same lever it would conflict with much of what's possible with the raises in combination with the A and B pedals.

My pedal 4 lowers 5, 6, and 10 a whole tone. I taught many ideas for placement and pointed out pro's and con's on the CD so that players could choose for themselves what's best for their personal situation. I also suggested for those that have room on the guitars to split them in the way that Tommy does. As Larry pointed out I get the splits by combining my 4th pedal with the F# to G# raise and skipping strings.

If anyone wants to order my new lessons they are 20.00 each. Here are the titles.

1. The PF Pedal 4 change

2. The F# to G# and Eb to E change

3. Improvising through minor chords

Stigitar Records
PO Box 1467
Goodlettsville, Tn 37070

Thanks...Paul

John McGann
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From: Boston, Massachusetts, USA

posted 13 January 2006 10:14 AM     profile     
My apologies to all for misunderstanding Paul's current setup. Sorry if I mislead anyone. Paul, thanks again for making this material available!

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Franklin
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From:

posted 14 January 2006 06:02 AM     profile     
John,
There was no Need to apologize. You were helping out and you raised an important side issue as a result, concerning the F# to G# raises. Alot of folks are also lowering the G# string to F# with this same lever. The CD teaches alot of the cool voicings and melody possibilities when applied with the A and B pedals. Those that lower the G# miss about half of whats possible by moving the 6th string G# at all in any direction on the same lever. Our discussion gives them something to ponder which is always good when exploring changes.

Thanks for your help.

Paul

James Gennrich
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From: Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA

posted 16 February 2006 06:10 PM     profile     
Question for Paul Franklin ? On Jan 13,2006 I sent a check to Stigitar Records for $60.00 for all 3 new CD's about pedal 4 , F# to G# ,and minor chords. Is there any way you could see if my order has been processed ? My check has not been cashed and they don,t have a e-mail address or phone number listed on the order form. Hope you can help. Thanks Jim jgennrich@wi.rr.com
Paul Norman
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From: North Carolina, USA

posted 17 February 2006 12:17 PM     profile     
Paul,
I have 1 ordered. I talked to your mother.
Thanks,
Paul Norman
Franklin
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From:

posted 17 February 2006 03:44 PM     profile     
James,
This month has been hectic for me but I finally got all the orders shipped yesterday. They should arrive as early as Saturday, but most likely it will be Monday. I never cash checks until I know the product is on its way. Thanks for your patience!

Paul

Allan Thompson
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From: Scotland.

posted 17 February 2006 04:10 PM     profile     
Paul,
Will you have instruction CD's for sale at the Dallas show ?
James Gennrich
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From: Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA

posted 17 February 2006 07:09 PM     profile     
Thanks Paul for your quick reply. Looking forward to getting the Cd,S. Thanks Jim
Franklin
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From:

posted 18 February 2006 04:32 AM     profile     
Jim,
Hope you enjoy them.

Allan,

I'll bring them to the show.

Cya there,
Paul

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