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Topic: Push/Pull "Rod Mod"
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Jay Ganz
Member From: Out Behind The Barn
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posted 02 March 2006 07:29 AM
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Anybody ever do this to their old Emmons?
Got this pic off Ebay. First time I've ever seen this kind of a mod before. |
Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 02 March 2006 08:08 AM
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Jay,
This very guitar has been talked about on the Forum before. I believe the general concensus was, it's not a good idea. I doubt if that guitar is worth as much with the modification. They should have left it well enough alone. Why try to reinvent the wheel?
Erv |
Bob Knight
Member From: Bowling Green KY
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posted 02 March 2006 08:31 AM
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That would probably eliminate some noise, but the push pull mechanisim seems to be based on slack and flexibility. It should work a lot better the way it was originally designed.
Bob |
Mike Cass
Member From: Nashville,Tn. U.S.A.
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posted 02 March 2006 09:02 AM
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yep, seen that before. Ive spent alot of $$ replacing those w/the factory rods for my customers. I wonder who did that? it looks exactly like the ones Ive had to correct in the past. it must play like a lumber wagon  |
Jack Stoner
Sysop From: Inverness, Florida
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posted 02 March 2006 10:49 AM
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I agree the original factory way is better. But whoever is doing it, I'll give them an A for the workmanship on the bending of the rods. |
Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 02 March 2006 11:33 AM
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If you will notice on the photo most all of the rods are attached to the top holes on the changer fingers. With these thick rods, they are the only holes you can use. With the original thin wires from Emmons you can avail yourself of the two lower holes in the pull fingers. There isn't enough room between the fingers for heavy wires. Not a good idea. 
Erv[This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 02 March 2006 at 11:34 AM.] |
Larry Moore
Member From: Hampton, Ga. USA
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posted 02 March 2006 01:01 PM
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I had this mod done on my PP one time. It does cut down on the noise, and you can set it up in any of the changer holes. You have to use 5/32 rods. The problem I had was one of the rod broke right at the bend of the finger on the third string on a gig.
So the next day I went back to the Orginal set up with the pull rods. No problems sence.
It is hard to beat the orginal design of a PP.
Larry 67 PP D-10 8-5
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Roger Light
Member From: Sheldon, IL
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posted 02 March 2006 01:18 PM
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Mike C.
I sent you an email. |
Joey Ace
Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 03 March 2006 06:11 AM
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Wouldn't it be possible to restore this to original without replacing the rods?It seems you could just cut off the bent ends, bend the new ends into a hook, and reinstall the "paper clip" type wire, as in the original. |
Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 03 March 2006 07:40 AM
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Joey,
I think a better way of restoring those rods would be to cut them off, flatten the ends and then drill a small hole in which to insert the "paper clip". That's how the originals are fashioned.
ErvIncidently, the closest sized wire I've found to use is the wire used on those little flags that the utility companies use when marking their underground lines. You need a tempered wire so it will hold its shape.[This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 03 March 2006 at 07:42 AM.] |
Pat Burns
Member From: Branchville, N.J. USA
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posted 03 March 2006 10:49 AM
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quote:
Call Before You Dig
..."Hey, Erv, I gotta put in a new sewer line, do you remember where you found those flags?"...  [This message was edited by Pat Burns on 03 March 2006 at 10:52 AM.] |
Chris Lucker
Member From: Los Angeles, California USA
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posted 03 March 2006 02:00 PM
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You can get the proper diamter spring wire from McMaster Carr -- you get 100 foot long pieces for $20.
You can order it in a spool as well, and maybe that is more original. |
Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 03 March 2006 02:35 PM
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Pat,
Rest easy, I haven't been to New Jersey of late! 
Erv |
Craig A Davidson
Member From: Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA
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posted 03 March 2006 03:22 PM
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The wire to do it is so cheap that it would be a crime to do anything else. That goes along with butchering the guitar to make things work when you can get the parts. Some of the pics on here make me shudder. There are guys like Mike Cass, Bryan Adams, Bobbe Seymour, and Bobby Bowman, that can do it right. Why Half-a** it together? |
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