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Topic: One more push/pull question ...
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Steve Richter
Member From: Menasha, WI USA
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posted 25 May 2006 06:23 PM
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before I give up. I noticed when I was cleaning my changer there was some build up on the tuning screws and on some of the re-builds I've seen that there is red goop on the screws. Is that lock-tite and if so what grade should you use? |
Jerry Roller
Member From: Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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posted 25 May 2006 06:32 PM
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Steve, it is locktite but it is put on the bolt and allowed to dry before it is threaded into the changer. Normally it is the permanent type and just applied on the threads in a straight line and not completely around the bolt, just a sweep on one side of the threads, allow it to completely dry then it is ready to use.
Jerry[This message was edited by Jerry Roller on 25 May 2006 at 06:33 PM.] |
Andrew Buhler
Member From: Maryland, USA
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posted 26 May 2006 07:54 AM
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Rather than locktite, my p/p has small springs that hold the tuning screws tight to changer. Is this this a common alternative to putting locktite on the screws? Any preferences? Seems to work well on my guitar. |
Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 26 May 2006 11:17 AM
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I have never seen a guitar from Emmons that had anything but Locktite. Anything else is a jerry-rig. |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 26 May 2006 11:30 AM
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All early Emmons steels had lock springs,
It was about '67 when the Red 271 Lock-tite was introduced. Key word here is "about".
I still like the early type springs better, and they can be installed on any year P-P at anytime. And a good idea to do so when the "Lock-tite" wears off.
Bobbe
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Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 26 May 2006 11:58 AM
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Me bad!  |
Steve Richter
Member From: Menasha, WI USA
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posted 26 May 2006 01:46 PM
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Thanks, guys. I think I'll try the springs. |
Jim Eaton
Member From: Santa Susana, Ca
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posted 26 May 2006 02:16 PM
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A good source for springs that work perfectly for this is old dried up retractable ball point pens! Most of the time, you can take care of 2 screws with one pen spring when you cut them to size.
Been using them on my 75PP for at least 20yrs now, since the Locktite the factory put on there wore out!
JE:-)> |
Jerry Roller
Member From: Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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posted 26 May 2006 02:26 PM
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I don't know when locktite was invented but I do know the original ShoBud guitars had the springs on the tuning screws as did the old Multichord. My first homebuilt Multichord type guitar had the springs. In fact I still have that old changer. I made it out of STEEL keystock. No telling how many threaders I broke off in a piece and would have to start over on it. Bobbe, those were the good old days! Right?
Jerry |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 26 May 2006 06:02 PM
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Steve R., ball point pen springs aren't really strong enough to give much locking power, although some folks like Jim Eaton here might have some luck with them, (obviously). I do have the original Emmons locking springs in stock (new old stock) and will sell you some if you wish.
Bobbe[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 26 May 2006 at 06:07 PM.] |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 26 May 2006 06:03 PM
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Jerry Roller, YES! Ha! Ha! |
Steve Richter
Member From: Menasha, WI USA
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posted 26 May 2006 06:43 PM
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While I have your attention ... the reason this whole project got started was because I'm changing my S-10 over from E9 to C6. One thing led to another with all the corosion and dirt underneath that I ended up tearing it completely down.So my next question is .. there is a set of springs close to the changer that seem to hold tension on the push levers .. is there a method to setting the tension or is it a matter of feel? Thanks for all your suggestions and help. I feel like I'm finally getting somewhere. Bobbe ... are the springs listed on your site? I may be needing a couple of other miscellaneous parts. |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 27 May 2006 07:52 AM
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Yes, the 1/8th compression springs are on the site.
Bobbe |
Jim Eaton
Member From: Santa Susana, Ca
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posted 28 May 2006 11:48 AM
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I guess they used better springs in pens 20yrs ago! lol
JE:-)>------------------
Emmons D10PP 8/4 -75'
Emmons SD-12PP 3/5
Zum SD-12 5/5 - 91'
76'Session 400
86'Nashville 400
06'Nashville 112
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BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 28 May 2006 12:06 PM
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Yes Jim, everything worked better 20 years ago, Ha! Ha! (I'd better get out now!)
Bobbe
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