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Topic: my strings tighten themselves
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Calvin Walley
Member From: colorado city colorado, USA
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posted 12 August 2006 08:54 PM
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after i tune my mullen i play it for a few days and i start noticing it getting out of tune , normal right ?
but instead of them all being lowered they are all raised 4-6 cents , the room temp is pretty steady as is the humidity level so my question is this : why do they tighten all by themselves ?calvin ------------------
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John Groover McDuffie
Member From: California, USA
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posted 12 August 2006 10:28 PM
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On my xtnd E9 s-12's my 11th and 12th strings always seem to go sharp between tunings. The 6th strings on my Telecasters seem to do the same. Always seemed counter-intuitive, but I have no ideas about why. |
Ivan Posa
Member From: Hamilton, New Zealand
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posted 13 August 2006 12:29 AM
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Calvin, I have a similar problem on my Rains SD 10 with the 5th and 6th strings always going sharp, just enough to be annoying. Anyone have any ideas why?------------------
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Klaus Caprani
Member From: Copenhagen, Denmark
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posted 13 August 2006 02:01 AM
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I've noticed this phaenomena on all stringed instruments that I ever came into contact with, et least with metal strings. Especially bass guitar.When you tune your instrument and start playing, the strings will warm up to some extend, and subsequently drop in tuning as the metal expands. When you adjust that during the set, the strings will have cooled off, retracted and gone sharp after the intermission. Just an observation.
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Tony Prior
Member From: Charlotte NC
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posted 13 August 2006 05:06 AM
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Well Calvin ole buddy, I gotta be honest with ya, stating that after the Steel sits a few days in the same room..ALL the strings go sharp a FEW cents ..now thats a new one on me for sure..I have never heard of that before so I am anxious to hear what the String Zarrs say the issue is... the applied physics is the strings get loose ..and go FLAT..and it may not even take a few days... Maybe you should go back to a Starter  just kidding.. good luck t[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 13 August 2006 at 04:25 PM.] |
Joey Gaskins
Member From: Newbern, North Carolina, USA
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posted 13 August 2006 05:20 AM
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I thought this was the norm. I've played Derbys for several years and it seems that mine has gone sharp on several strings after setting a day or so. Never thought much about it. |
Glyn Bone
Member From: Halifax.Nova Scotia. Canada
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posted 13 August 2006 05:58 AM
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Same thing here with my Carter...but I find it is (usually) pretty even across the strings...just a couple of cents sharp....sometimes I don`t bother about it and after playing for a few minutes they are back to normal.....I generally only re-tune if they are more than just a couple of cents.....no biggie in my book.Glyndwr. Carter SD 10 4x5 ( black of course )
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Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 13 August 2006 06:35 AM
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Never tune your guitar when you first sit down to it. Play it a while and then tune. If you do it the other way, after the strings warm up they will be flat. |
Steve Alonzo Walker
Member From: Spartanburg,S.C. USA
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posted 13 August 2006 06:57 AM
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My 3rd (G# .012) "open" goes flat between tunings so I tune it +1/2 cent higher and my 6th (G# .022) "open" goes flat so I tune it -1/2 cent lower. After playing a few songs, they end up just right. |
Jim Sliff
Member From: Hermosa Beach California, USA
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posted 13 August 2006 08:11 AM
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The ONLY way they can go sharp without some mechnical influence (i.e. tuning it, pressing pedals, etc) is some sort of environmental condition. Minute temperature and humidity changes can seriously affect acoustic guitars, as an example - and the highest-grade guitars, where tolerances are more finely determined/constructed, are the most likely to be affected.With steel guitar, it would seem that the nature of the construction - a lot of metal, and any wood being typically hard - would preclude weird phenomena like this. But I think that it's simply the huge amount of variable, moveable parts - changers, rollers, rods, levers, barrels, springs, and the strings themselves - that makes it MORE likely for a pedal steel to go sharp from slight changes in environment than, say, a 6-string lapsteel, or a Tele.[This message was edited by Jim Sliff on 13 August 2006 at 08:12 AM.] |
Calvin Walley
Member From: colorado city colorado, USA
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posted 13 August 2006 08:44 AM
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well i guess i'm not the only one this happens to, i just can't get my mind wraped around how it happens, its not what anyone would call a major problem , just odd
i'm with Tony , it would seem that they should get loose not tighter------------------
Mullen SD-10 3&5 / nashville 400 |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 13 August 2006 09:08 AM
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If you tune after playing it for a while and then let it sit and check the tuning a few hours later, it will be out. But once you've warmed up the strings with your hands by playing a song or two, it should be back where you left it.
I always play for a few minutes before I tune. Also, I tune at the end of a set, not before the beginning of a set. If you don't have time to play before you tune, rub your hands vigorously over the strings for half a minute before you tune, to warm them up.------------------
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Earnest Bovine
Member From: Los Angeles CA USA
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posted 13 August 2006 11:07 AM
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quote:
before you tune, rub your hands vigorously over the strings for half a minute before you tune, to warm them up.
Actually the strings will warm up much quicker than that. |
Tony Prior
Member From: Charlotte NC
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posted 13 August 2006 04:27 PM
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I have found that when the Band opens with Rocky Top the strings warm up REAL FAST !------------------
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Don Barnhardt
Member From: North Carolina, USA
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posted 13 August 2006 07:57 PM
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I've been playing various stringed intsruments since the late 1940s. They all get out of tune. Sometimes they're flat sometimes they're sharp. When they're flat I tighten them and when they're sharp I loosen them. End of problem. |
Bill Ford
Member From: Graniteville SC Aiken
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posted 14 August 2006 06:02 AM
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I find that both my guitars (different brands)go sharp after a couple days. I've been blaming it on the "sharp fairie".BF |
Larry Bell
Member From: Englewood, Florida
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posted 14 August 2006 06:10 AM
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It has very little to do with the composition of the guitar. Strings stretched across a 2x4 will do the same thing.The strings warm up when you play them. They EXPAND (get longer -- less tension) as they warm up. ALL STRINGS GO SLIGHTLY FLAT. THEN YOU TUNE THEM. They are warm from being played. You keep playing and tuning and playing and tuning. NOW YOU LEAVE YOUR GUITAR THAT YOU TUNED TO ACCOMMODATE THE WARM STRINGS. WHAT HAPPENS? The strings COOL DOWN (get shorter -- increase tension). As the tension increases the strings GO SHARP. Wanna test it? Tune your largest unwound E9 string to straight up on the tuner. Rub the string between your thumb and forefinger the length of the string back and forth 3 or 4 times. Check the tuner. YOU'LL BE SHOCKED. ------------------
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Gene Jones
Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA
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posted 14 August 2006 07:03 AM
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*[This message was edited by Gene Jones on 16 August 2006 at 01:47 PM.] |
Ray Minich
Member From: Limestone, New York, USA
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posted 14 August 2006 07:25 AM
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Just remember: All constants are variables... |
KENNY FORBESS
Member From: peckerwood point, w. tn.
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posted 16 August 2006 01:18 PM
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What Bobby Lee and Erv said. If you have no time for a warm-up,
gently rub the string's with the "Steel Guitar Rag", to get them to ambient temprature. But,If you tune it right away,,, you're gonna be tuneing it again,
and that's embassasing !! my findings,
Kenny |
Robert Leaman
Member From: Murphy, North Carolina, USA
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posted 16 August 2006 01:48 PM
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It was once said that, "There is nothing so constant as change." |
Fred Nolen
Member From: Mohawk, Tennessee, USA
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posted 19 August 2006 10:14 AM
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My Rains does the same thing - so does my Legrande. I have never actually seen him, but I am reasonablly sure that it's a Gremlin in my practice room.Ol' Fred |
Doyle Mitchell
Member From: Loraine,Texas 79532
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posted 20 August 2006 06:21 AM
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I try to get to my gig at least 30 minutes early, when possible, to set up my Rains and let it reach room temp, removing it from a hot car trunk and sitting it up on a cool stage will certainly cause a tuning change. Out of the hot trunk it will be flat, but 30 minutes in the cool room temp it will be back close to right, but if I tune it when arriving I will go sharp later. I have noticed that when I get cold I tend to draw up too!! |
Donny Hinson
Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 20 August 2006 07:11 AM
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Avoid tuning your guitar unless it sounds out of tune. Simple, right? Well, I've seen player after player setting up, and the first thing they do is pluck a string and stare at a tuner, and then commence to twisting. PLAY the guitar first! Does it sound okay? Is it reasonably close to the lead man's guitar? If so...don't go screwing around with it. If it sounds okay, don't even worry about hooking up the tuner.Don't go "fixin" if it ain't broke. Also, next time you're practicing at home, and you notice a string sounds "out", before you go 'a twistin', try playing a whole song with that string "out" of tune. Dedicate yourself (on this one song) to trying to adjust the bar to make up for the out-of-tune string. It will make you a better player. [This message was edited by Donny Hinson on 20 August 2006 at 07:13 AM.]
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