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Topic: short key head emmons legrandes
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Mike Archer
Member From: Church Hill, Tennessee, USA
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posted 11 September 2006 09:43 AM
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just wondering how many players were
playing the shorty emmons steels?
wondered if those that are would care to
comment on there tone/action/ etc
i have had 2 one i sold and to me it was a great mistake ..... i now have one like the one i sold and love it
thanks mike |
tomsteel
Member From: columbia/tn/maury
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posted 11 September 2006 05:01 PM
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I have had a shorty for a couple of years now.I love it.It rarely breaks a string.The two years or so that I,ve had it I think I,ve broken two.It sounds great,stays in tune well.What more can you ask for?By the way...Do you think the shortkey heads sound almost as good as the push-pulls?I said almost,,,Thomas Malugin Columbia,Tn |
Randy Gilliam
Member From: San Antonio, Texas, USA
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posted 11 September 2006 05:09 PM
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Brother it depends on who is Playing It? |
George Mc Lellan
Member From: Duluth, MN USA
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posted 11 September 2006 05:13 PM
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Mike, if the one you mentioned you sold is the one I bought from you, yes. It's a great sounding guitar and like you told me, it doesn't break strings. I'm sure it would, but I change strings when I think it's time.I always wonder why a company changes something that sounds so good?????? Geo
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KENNY KRUPNICK
Member From: Grove City,Ohio
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posted 11 September 2006 05:33 PM
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Bobbe has one of the short keyhead Emmons guitars for sale on his web site. |
Mike Archer
Member From: Church Hill, Tennessee, USA
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posted 11 September 2006 05:53 PM
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thomas
yes i do think they are closer to the pp
tone then the newer ones thats one of the reasons i like it so much not much if any string breakage and they are easy to make
changes( as are the newer legrandes)
all in all a great tone and feel
weldon played one for years
i saw the skh bobbe has if i had the bucks i would buy it in a heart beat
i guess there are a few of us that see it that way...........cool uh? |
Mike Archer
Member From: Church Hill, Tennessee, USA
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posted 11 September 2006 05:56 PM
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thats true it depends on who is playing it
yes george your steel is the one i spoke of....great tone
hope your doing well my friend |
Terry Sneed
Member From: El Dorado, Arkansas, USA
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posted 11 September 2006 06:29 PM
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The shortys are great steel guitars as for tone, and not breaking strings. I had an 84 Emmons shorty and I can honestly say, I beleive it was the best guitar I've ever owned for tone. And yes, I have owned a PP also, but the shorty had it beat for tone.IMO. I would love to have another one someday.
I just seen the shorty Bobbe has for sale. $2750!!!??? edited out.  Terry ------------------
Mullen RP D10 /8x5 / Nashville 112 x 2 / American Tele and Fender
Hotrod Deville 2x12's
Thank God for music.
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JW Day
Member From: Elizabethtown, Kentucky, USA
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posted 11 September 2006 06:31 PM
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I have A shortie that I boought in 82.It has never had A drop of oil put on it, but I do blow it out now and then and use A small amount of graphite on the bridge and rollers. I just sold an 04 Legrande11 and kept the shortie. That has got to say something for the ole' Legrandes.Does anyone know what kind of price they are bringing now, as I may sell this one in the near future. I have ordered A new Desert Rose. J W Day |
Terry Sneed
Member From: El Dorado, Arkansas, USA
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posted 11 September 2006 06:43 PM
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JW, call Bobbe Seymore. I reckon the Price just went sky-hi on the short keyheads.  Terry |
Randy Gilliam
Member From: San Antonio, Texas, USA
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posted 11 September 2006 08:54 PM
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J W 500.00 Would Be a Fair price I Will Take it off Your Hands. Just Kidding. 2500.00 Too 3000.00 Seems too Be The Going Rate. Randy. |
Mitch Ellis
Member From: Mississippi, USA
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posted 11 September 2006 09:08 PM
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How long is the short keyhead, measuring from the center of the rollers to the end of the keyhead? The keyhead on my Fessy is shorter than the one on my zum. They do sound different, but thay have different pick-ups. Thanks
Mitch |
George Mc Lellan
Member From: Duluth, MN USA
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posted 12 September 2006 03:43 AM
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Yes, Mike, it's got "that tone" through and through. Must be true about black is better.The key head length on mine is 5 & 5/8's from the center of the roller nut to the end of the key head. Geo |
Mike Archer
Member From: Church Hill, Tennessee, USA
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posted 12 September 2006 04:08 AM
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Randy wow it would be cool to get a few
shortys for 500.00 bucks!!
George yes black always sounds better!!
the one i have now is black....i traded a sd10 pp for it....i thought i would like
just being a e9 player but soon found out
i missed my c6 a lot
i like the 4 hole bell cranks better than the 14 hole also i guess for me i sound the best to me on the skh emmons |
John Lacey
Member From: Black Diamond, Alberta, Canada
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posted 12 September 2006 04:18 AM
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Hate to be the negative guy but I had a "shorty" that was a dog. It had the Emmons tone but got really screechy after the 12th. fret. It also had Sperzel tuners on it which were tough to turn and eventually needed replacement. When I got my PP, it was like the Legrande on steroids. Later on, I had a SD10 Legrande II and it was a much better guitar engineering-wise with Grover tuners which worked great. Still never measured up to the PP in tone and balls though. |
Mike Phillips
Member From: Brooklyn, NY
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posted 12 September 2006 09:01 AM
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mike archer - you sold me an elite seat once and i thank you for that. it's a nice seat, it was in mint condition and you gave me a nice price.also, i have a black SKH legrande that i got from bruce bouton about nine months ago (also mint and for a good deal, ain't i lucky!). anyway, i love it and i wish i could get my hands on its clone. i think i have broken one string, and i rarely have to do much tuning, even after transporting it. soon i'll be selling or trading my black sho~bud super pro in order to get another emmons. so if anyone knows anyone looking to deal.... peace,
mike
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Cliff Kane
Member From: Long Beach, CA
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posted 12 September 2006 09:41 AM
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Very interesting thread....especially for a newbie who wasn't aware that there were variations in keyhead designs. Hmmm....I'm contemplating an all-pull guitar that will sound similar to my p/p. Would someone please explain the reasoning/rationale between making the same guitar with different legnths in keyheads?
Thanks! |
Terry Sneed
Member From: El Dorado, Arkansas, USA
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posted 12 September 2006 09:53 AM
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quote:
2500.00 Too 3000.00 Seems too Be The Going Rate
GEEZE! They have went up sky hi in the last couple years!! I was told By a proffesional player and steel guitar wiz that my shorty, which by the way, was in very good condition, a gloss Rosewood D10 with 8x6 would bring no more than $1700-$1900 depending on condiiton. I've never seen a short keyhead sell for more than about $2100-$2200 here on the forum. But, maybe I just didn't catch it. I do know they are very good guitars for tone, and play purty good to. I heard two different short keyheads back in April at a steel show. One was Hal Higgins's and the other one was Jimmy Lewis, both great players! These two guitars had the best tone of all the sreels on the show, but the Pre RP Mullen was REAL close to sounding as good. Terry ------------------
Mullen RP D10 /8x5 / Nashville 112 x 2 / American Tele and Fender
Hotrod Deville 2x12's
Thank God for music.
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JW Day
Member From: Elizabethtown, Kentucky, USA
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posted 12 September 2006 12:43 PM
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Thanks Randy for you kind offer,I think I like the last prices better on your post. It amazes me that the same type of guitars can sound different. John, you say yours is scratchy above the 15th and that it is where I get comliments on mine. Tuning and strings has never been A problem with this one. It is the early one with the deviders in the bridge. J W Day |
Tony Dingus
Member From: Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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posted 12 September 2006 03:29 PM
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What brand of tuning keys does everybody's shorty have? My JCH has Sperzels and like John, I'm not crazy about them either and have thought about replacing them with Grovers. I've heard that tuning keys that the post touchs the keyhead sounds different than the ones that don't. Think "VIBRATION". Might make a difference in tone, might not. Tony |
Mike Archer
Member From: Church Hill, Tennessee, USA
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posted 12 September 2006 05:14 PM
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hey Mike!! im glad you liked the seat
it was a good one as i recall
i didnt know you also played a shorty
thats cool too
yes i guess a guy can get a bad steel
every now and then i been blessed so far with good ones
as far as tuning keys yes some are a bit stiff i just put a drop off oil on mine
and that seems to make um work better
them little spurz keys work well for me |
JW Day
Member From: Elizabethtown, Kentucky, USA
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posted 12 September 2006 05:20 PM
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Mine came with sperzels, I have never had any problem with them as of yet, but that has only been 24 years. J W |
John Lacey
Member From: Black Diamond, Alberta, Canada
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posted 13 September 2006 08:07 AM
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From the comments of others over the years, I think that mine was a Friday guitar. I did put oil on the Sperzels, no help. Jim Aycoth finally sent me some new keyheads with Schallers on for a very reasonable price (shipping) but soon after I sold it. |
Dave Mudgett
Member From: Central Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 13 September 2006 10:17 AM
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I have what was apparently Hal Higgins '85 black SKH Legrande D-10 - got it from Billy Carr a few weeks ago. Of course, it's early yet, but so far, I really like this guitar even though I play a universal a lot right now. It sounds real good - I don't have a push-pull here right now to compare to, but it sounds like an Emmons to me. I like the splits and relative ease of setup. I hear a wide range of opinions on these, including that they vary a lot - but I think I got a good one. BTW, this has Grovers on it - work just fine. I probably prefer the old-style Emmons pedals - maybe I'll get some of those for it if they fit on these later guitars. |
Terry Sneed
Member From: El Dorado, Arkansas, USA
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posted 13 September 2006 12:30 PM
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Dave, I was purty sure Billy was advertizing Hal's 85 shorty after Hal posted he had bought a Rains from Billy. You have got a great guitar there.
I've heard it played in person several times, and I know it has THAT Emmons tone!Terry ------------------
Mullen RP D10 /8x5 / Nashville 112 x 2 / American Tele and Fender
Hotrod Deville 2x12's
Thank God for music.
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Mike Archer
Member From: Church Hill, Tennessee, USA
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posted 16 September 2006 12:20 PM
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well i guess theres a lot of nice
steels with good tone made today
and thats good.......but i just like my
skh the best of those i have played
to me it has that tone i look for
as most of you know tone comes more from the way you play....your hands...
your heart....and if you have learned
good playing habits over the years
a good steel is also a must |
Larry Gerdeman
Member From: Louisiana, Missouri, USA
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posted 16 September 2006 12:35 PM
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I have an 85 short keyhead and it is the only guitar I play out anymore. It is very dependable and has tone out of this world. Bought it from Duane Dunard it has been around a bit but still in great shape. I love it. |
Mike Archer
Member From: Church Hill, Tennessee, USA
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posted 18 September 2006 05:38 AM
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in our band
my buddy eddie trent plays a emmons
LG 2 sd10 and it sounds wonderfull
to me but then hes a great player
and makes um all sound good
i love to play steel but as a guitar player i also love to play with other steel players as i also enjoy what they do
and the sound of steel in the band
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Wayne Wallett
Member From: Shermans Dale, PA USA
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posted 18 September 2006 12:49 PM
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I have LG #L0015 short keyhead...was one of five built the first year they were shown at St. Louis. I have (3) steels, LeGrande, Sho-Bud Super Pro, & Derby lacqer D10. Never any problems, better tone than the 70 push pull I had & can go further up the neck without getting thin and edgy sounding. Has BL705's both necks. Would be the last guitar I would ever get rid of. Stays at home in the studio. |
John Cadeau
Member From: Surrey,B.C. Canada
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posted 18 September 2006 03:35 PM
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I have a shorty, #006 L. And I love it. Great Tone, and it stays in tune. When I leave this world I'm asking that a special casket be built so my LeGrande can be buried with me. Who knows I might get a steady gig either up there, or down there, wherever I end up.
John |
Ken Williams
Member From: Arkansas
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posted 18 September 2006 05:51 PM
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I have an 86 SKH Emmons and have no complaints. It's been an extremely reliable guitar for the last 20 years. The pedal and knee action is pretty good and it holds tuning well. But, I would have to say the 74 Emmons I have edges it out slightly in tone. As far as string breakage, I don't notice any difference between the two steels. Neither steel is overly prone to string breakage. Both steels have Emmons stock pickups.Ken |
Don Discher
Member From: Sault Ste Marie,Ontario,Canada
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posted 18 September 2006 06:06 PM
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I have an SD 10 short keyhead with grover tuners,doesn't break strings and stays in tune but my only problem is I have huge hands and it's a little awkward when it comes to changing strings but all in all she's a beauty,red mica. |
Mike Archer
Member From: Church Hill, Tennessee, USA
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posted 19 September 2006 04:48 AM
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well i see theres many who play the skh
i found when changing strings that by turning keys on either side of the key your changing string on slightly will allow for
reg size winder to wind up pretty quick
making a little cardboard pillow wraped in
clear tape makes a good holding tool for
string ball end at changer also
my guitar also just has std pickups as well
i see no need to change um
i am making some knee lever changes thow
i like the second string raise with the
first string raise a lot |
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