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Topic: How flat is flat ?
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Bill Duve
Member From: Salamanca .New York, USA
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posted 05 December 2006 06:08 PM
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I really didnt want to ask this and let everybody see me as the musical idiot but this thing dont tune flats soooo, I tuned it by ear from one of Bobbe's inst: tapes to Eb and it hits dead center on D# on the little meter, is that 50 cents or 100 below E ? |
Bryan Bradfield
Member From: Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada.
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posted 05 December 2006 06:56 PM
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D# = Eb.
Same thing, for practical purposes.
To sharp means to raise a note by a half tone.
To flat means to lower a note by a half tone.
I think that a learned musician will say there is a difference, but that is just paperwork stuff.
D# (Eb) is 100 cents below E. I didn't know that. I just now experimented with my Korg AT-12 tuner, and found that I had to recalibrate by 50 cents twice to get from E to D#.[This message was edited by Bryan Bradfield on 05 December 2006 at 07:14 PM.] |
Jack Francis
Member From: Mesa, Arizona, USA
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posted 05 December 2006 08:38 PM
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"How flat is flat?" Lessee..Rosie would have starved a Playtex "Living Bra!"
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David Doggett
Member From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 05 December 2006 09:32 PM
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For most meters, Eb and D# are the same. That's called Equal Temper (ET), and there is exactly 100 cents difference between any two notes a half step (semi-tone) apart. For Just Intonation (JI) and other tuning systems based on harmonics and that tune to minimize beats between notes, it is not so much whether it is a flat, sharp or natural, but that the note will be tuned slightly differently depending on which degree of the scale it is used for, or which interval of a chord. The theory is a bit complicated, but your ears simplify it all by just listening to what sounds best (fewest interference beats). |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 05 December 2006 10:55 PM
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D# is the same as Eb. It's 100 cents below E, and 100 cents above D. |
Michael Douchette
Member From: Gallatin, TN
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posted 05 December 2006 11:00 PM
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They are called enharmonics.C# = Db
D# = Eb
F# = Gb
G# = Ab
A# = Bb You can really go out there, as well... E# = F
B# = C ------------------
Mikey D...
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Tommy Alexander
Member From: Friendswood, Texas 77546
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posted 06 December 2006 05:11 AM
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How flat is flat??? Well, I don't really want to go to far with this, cause I'm not that smart about it, but when the band is playing in the key of "E" and your playing in "Eb", then your playing flat!!!------------------
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Ray Minich
Member From: Limestone, New York, USA
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posted 06 December 2006 05:29 AM
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Ever hear anyone do a lousy rendition of "Traces"?. They usually flat the word "right" in the refrain...
(As in "traces of love, that didn't work our riiiiggghhttttt....")
I never could stand that part anyway...[This message was edited by Ray Minich on 06 December 2006 at 06:57 AM.] |
Barry Blackwood
Member From: elk grove, CA
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posted 06 December 2006 07:27 PM
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Good one, Ray. You are sooo right! |
Bill Duve
Member From: Salamanca .New York, USA
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posted 06 December 2006 09:15 PM
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I know that kinda flat too Ray, The quality of country singers around western NY may be the reason I quit for 20 yrs........ |
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