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Author Topic:   How about a section for 'regular' guitar?
Tony Harris
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From: England

posted 17 November 2006 04:26 AM     profile     
...since many steel players also play guitar, and some posts are related to guitar topics?
"non-steel guitar"? "Fingered guitar"?
Bill Hatcher
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From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 17 November 2006 05:21 AM     profile     
"Underarm" guitar.
Marc Mercer
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From: Colorado, USA

posted 17 November 2006 05:51 AM     profile     
My $.02 gives that the thumbs down; there are already many existing sites for that.

It's a STEEL GUITAR forum. That's what I come for.

c c johnson
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From: killeen,tx usa

posted 17 November 2006 06:11 AM     profile     
Amen Marc CC
Terry VunCannon
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From: Randleman, North Carolina, USA

posted 17 November 2006 06:31 AM     profile     
I agree...we are "Men/Women of Steel".
Gary Lynch
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From: Creston, California, USA

posted 17 November 2006 06:31 AM     profile     
Are you a member of the Martin Guitar Forum? If not, check it out. They have a place for Steel however not many use it. It's 99.99% acoustic guitar and many pros use the site as well. A great site. 9,300 members.
http://p082.ezboard.com/btheunofficialmartinguitarforum
Bill Hatcher
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From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 17 November 2006 07:56 AM     profile     
I do believe that a section for regular guitar players would be a welcomed edition to the Steel Forum. Yes there are countless guitar sites out there, but how many are associated with the Steel guitar??

There are numerous guitar players here that could benefit from info sharing. Also the added incentive would be that other guitar players would come to the Forum as a result of the guitar section and have access to info about the steel guitar. There are a lot of underarm guitar players out there who dabble at the steel and others who might become interested after being here and seeing what great info there is here on the instrument.

A standard guitar section would be very welcomed.

Barry Blackwood
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From: elk grove, CA

posted 17 November 2006 08:03 AM     profile     
I don't necessarily agree. This is the Steel Guitar Forum - nothing more, nothing less.
Bill Hatcher
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From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 17 November 2006 08:05 AM     profile     
There is a Recording Section here. That is not in the realm of "nothing more, nothing less".

There is also a Computer section and an Electronics section.

[This message was edited by Bill Hatcher on 17 November 2006 at 08:06 AM.]

Henry Nagle
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From: Santa Rosa, California

posted 17 November 2006 08:21 AM     profile     
I see quite a few discussions about six string guitar in Music.
I've looked at a couple of guitar forums out there, but I felt like they were a little harsh. Things get rough around here sometimes, but I feel like overall this is a very pleasant group of people.
I don't know that we need a new section but I imagine I would use it.
Bill Hatcher
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From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 17 November 2006 08:27 AM     profile     
If you notice, most the other guitar groups reflect the personna of youth-ie. brashness, language, temperment etc. I think a shot of that around here would be a welcomed jolt.

All you need is a very hands on, no jive allowed moderator. A cross between Mother Theresa and Hannibal Lector. That would keep everything civil and weed out the rift raft.

The $5 cover charge would be enough to ward off most trouble makers.

[This message was edited by Bill Hatcher on 17 November 2006 at 08:35 AM.]

Marc Mercer
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From: Colorado, USA

posted 17 November 2006 08:45 AM     profile     
O.K., I'll put it another way - how diluted do you want your forum to be? I realize there are a variety of sections, but don't they address recording STEEL GUITAR? Electronics for STEEL GUITAR? Computer help for STEEL GUITAR players? Heck, even STEEL GUITAR-specific humor?

I have a lot of interests in life (I also play standard guitar), but if I want to read or ask questions about firearms, fishing, aviation or stamp-collecting, I'll go and look for like-minded people interested in those things; one of the great attractions for me about The Steel Guitar Forum is it's uniqueness.

This ain't Wal-Mart, y'know.

Bill Hatcher
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From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 17 November 2006 08:53 AM     profile     
I don't think that adding to the forum a section on standard guitar would dilute the forum at all.

You know when I log on the forum I have to make a concerted effort to click on the links to the sections I am interested in. There are sections that I have never even looked at. If you are not interested in a section then you would never need to read anything on it.

That would be the "Great Wal of China Mart".

[This message was edited by Bill Hatcher on 17 November 2006 at 08:54 AM.]

b0b
Sysop

From: Cloverdale, California, USA

posted 17 November 2006 09:08 AM     profile     
The "Music" section covers regular guitar topics.
Russ Little
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From: Hosston,Louisiana, USA

posted 17 November 2006 09:22 AM     profile     
God forbid next we'll have A banger section
LOL
Dave Mudgett
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From: Central Pennsylvania, USA

posted 17 November 2006 09:40 AM     profile     
I think the perspective of a guitar player who plays steel guitar is quite different than that of the 'typical' guitar player. I don't find most guitar boards relevant to me, at this point, since steel guitar is such a major part of my musical identity. I now look at the guitar through the lens of a steel player - there is no real forum for this kind of analysis that I know of. I also find most regular guitar boards to be pretty inhospitable and, oftentimes, juvenile. So although I do understand that such ideas can be posted in "Music", I would also welcome such a section. I think this would open up fruitful discussions about the relation of steel and guitar, and especially give us a forum for slide styles that are, apparently, not welcome in the "No Pedals" steel section. Rather than make the argument that such styles belong there, I think it makes more sense to have a separate "Regular Guitar" section that encompasses both fretted and slide styles.

I certainly don't see how this would dilute this forum in any way. It simply makes a bigger tent, and gives a formal place for dual steel-guitar/regular-guitar players to discuss ideas of mutual interest not to mention open up to a wider slide/bottleneck community. IMO, that's important because it's pretty clear now that many of us have feet in both areas, but still prefer this forum to be our primary online musical association.

[This message was edited by Dave Mudgett on 17 November 2006 at 09:52 AM.]

b0b
Sysop

From: Cloverdale, California, USA

posted 17 November 2006 09:59 AM     profile     
Those kinds of discussions often occur in the "Music" section. As we add more sections, people have to make more decisions about which sections they want to visit. Moderators have to make more finely-grained decisions as to whether a topic belongs in their section or not (and if not, where?). Members get mad or confused when a topic gets moved from one section to another.

I'm not saying that guitar topics shouldn't be discussed. I'm saying that they were the the driving force behind creation of the "Music" section. Spliting those topics off from "Music" to a dedicated section seems to be an unnecessary complication.

The logical extension of this proposal is separate sections for bass, keyboards, drums and even banjo! The list is already too long, in my opinion.

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Tony Harris
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From: England

posted 17 November 2006 10:00 AM     profile     
Sorry guys! When I started this thread I didn't mean to start a war. I just thought that we sometimes discuss guitar-playing IN RELATION to the steel - to give just one example, many of us are looking for an amp that can handle both because we swap instruments between numbers on the bandstand. And, yes I find many guitar websites concentrate on heavy metal styles and distortion!
b0b
Sysop

From: Cloverdale, California, USA

posted 17 November 2006 11:18 AM     profile     
quote:
... to give just one example, many of us are looking for an amp that can handle both because we swap instruments between numbers on the bandstand.
That is a common discussion topic in the "Electronics" section, and a great example of the confusion that an additional section would add. If you were looking for the answer to that question, where should you post it? I don't think that adding a "Regular Guitar" section answers that question, because it's really an amp topic.
Mark Vinbury
Member

From: N. Kingstown, Rhode Island, USA

posted 17 November 2006 11:52 AM     profile     
How bout instead of taking up SGF server space with yet another non-Steel item we list "regular" guitar as a Topic but actually it is a link to an existing, "regular " guitar forum website. That way we would all be using the same forum but on their dime
b0b
Sysop

From: Cloverdale, California, USA

posted 17 November 2006 02:06 PM     profile     
Server space isn't a real issue here. I wouldn't want to direct traffic to another forum unexpectedly. The support issues would be overwhelming.
Alan F. Brookes
Member

From: Brummy living in California, USA

posted 17 November 2006 05:29 PM     profile     
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Regular guitarist outnumber us 10,000 to one. We would disappear into the crowd and the forum would be destroyed.

I've never yet met a steel guitarist who didn't start off on the guitar, so we're all regular guitarists, too. If you want a regular guitar forum there are plenty out there. Let's leave this one alone.

Marty Smith
Member

From: California, USA

posted 17 November 2006 08:35 PM     profile     
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Charlie McDonald
Member

From: Lubbock, Texas, USA

posted 18 November 2006 05:56 AM     profile     
NOOOOOOOOOO #3. And no banjo.
The forum is concise enough as it is, and is what drew me to it. I would have run if it were filled with guitarists.
And yes, we all play guitar. And drive cars. Don't need an automotive section here.

Doin' a good job, b0b.

Randy Reeves
Member

From: Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA

posted 18 November 2006 07:49 AM     profile     
thanks to bOb and Brad and all the workers behind this incredible Forum.
Ive been away and when I come back I see the changes. I had no problem navigating my way to my favorite section.
I had something brilliant to post but as I typing it began to sound foolish.
it involved steel guitar strings, maybe a pedal, definately a guitar, at least six strings and not more than ten. one neck, lap style and.....gone.
Alan F. Brookes
Member

From: Brummy living in California, USA

posted 18 November 2006 12:38 PM     profile     
Randy: it's been done.
les green
Member

From: Jefferson City, Mo 65101 USA

posted 18 November 2006 07:53 PM     profile     
This is the Steel Guitar Forum. Let's keep it that way.
Chris LeDrew
Member

From: Newfoundland, Canada

posted 18 November 2006 11:36 PM     profile     
THE "STEEL GUITAR" FORUM.
CrowBear Schmitt
Member

From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

posted 19 November 2006 02:48 AM     profile     
the Musik section serves as a guitbox platform already
otherwise there are plenty of good guitbox forums around
i"m fer keepin' this one Steel Guitar
Bobby Johnson
Member

From: Mims, Florida USA

posted 20 November 2006 03:53 AM     profile     
This forum is like a tight knit family, sure alot do play guitar here, but the thing is like what was said, the other guitar forums are not that nice of people. We have a great thing here. If we added a Guitar Section then we could be run over by guitar players that don't play Steel at all. And like was said also it's alot more work to watch over adding a Guitar Section too. I love this place cause it's all about steel and i can't think of a better place to be. I'm addicted bad to this forum and want to see it stay the same. Just my 2 cents.

"If It Ain't Broke,Dont Fix It."

Bobby

[This message was edited by Bobby Johnson on 20 November 2006 at 03:54 AM.]

[This message was edited by Bobby Johnson on 20 November 2006 at 03:55 AM.]

Vern Wall
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From: Arizona, USA

posted 20 November 2006 07:14 PM     profile     
Are you going to add a bagpipe section? (That's a joke, son.)

You have a nice forum here. I think you need a good reason to change it. "Wouldn't hurt" is not a good reason.

Marty Smith
Member

From: California, USA

posted 20 November 2006 07:33 PM     profile     
Whats next? a Kazoo section.
Bob Knight
Member

From: Bowling Green KY

posted 21 November 2006 03:48 PM     profile     

[This message was edited by Bob Knight on 21 November 2006 at 03:49 PM.]

David Mason
Member

From: Cambridge, MD, USA

posted 22 November 2006 03:41 AM     profile     
I ask a lot of my "regular guitar" questions here, because the proportion of intelligent people to morons is so much higher here than at any "real" guitar forum I've found to this date. I'm serious; have you ever read the equipment reviews at Harmony-Central? Gaak! People here can even spell, sometimes.... It doesn't seem as though the "Music" section gets overloaded, with anything except YouTube anyway.
Bob Carlucci
Member

From: Candor, New York, USA

posted 23 November 2006 01:36 PM     profile     
I dunno.. I have to agree with the nay sayers.. I talk a lot about guitar topics here, including a lot of discussion about my interest in vintage gear, and always get a lot of great discourse from knowledgable friends..."Music" is a great one size fits all section,,,, I think a dedicated "underarm" section would be overkill... bob
Richard Sevigny
Member

From: Vancouver, BC, Canada

posted 23 November 2006 06:04 PM     profile     
I think we'd be inviting guys like this...

[This message was edited by Richard Sevigny on 23 November 2006 at 06:05 PM.]

Dave Mudgett
Member

From: Central Pennsylvania, USA

posted 23 November 2006 09:04 PM     profile     
I don't want to overstate my support for a regular guitar section. I think it's a good idea for the reasons that Tony, Bill, and I outlined, but b0b's reasoning about too much complexity is also reasonable, IMO. Of course, I think a guitar section would be much more relevant for many of us than "possum humor".

But I doubt that this would "dilute or destroy the forum" or cause us to be "overrun with clueless headbanging guitar punks" or other such alarmist predictions. I have a hard time picturing why a guitar player not also interested in steel guitar would be here. I think the kind of yahoos who anonymously spew garbage on these so-called "guitar forums" would be very intimidated by having to publically use their real names, and have oversight from intelligent moderators who could toss them off in a heartbeat.

Although I disagree with the assertion that all of us are (serious) guitar players, many of us are, and this is our chosen online home. Why go to a guitar-specific forum when the people who discuss the relevant stuff for us are here? I also don't see what cars, banjos, guns, bagpipes, or any of these other red herrings have to do with it. A steel guitar is a type of guitar, and many of us are deeply into both - that is the relevance.

I know I'm treading on sensitive ground to state any relationship between non-pedal steel guitar and slide guitar, but I think there is a significant one. But right now, any type of "slide guitar" seems, to me, to be treated as, at best, a bastard child of the steel guitar family. To me, that was the most important part of my argument for a "regular guitar" section - in fact, I'd call it "Slide and Regular Guitar". I especially don't see how we could lose by bringing in some good slide players, with whom we have much in common. I think many of you underestimate how many slide and guitar players could - with some encouragement - get interested in making the jump to steel guitar.

Of course, b0b can and should do as he thinks best - I completely trust his judgement. Perhaps it is overkill - but I am not swayed by the "sky will fall" arguments I have heard here.

Charles Davidson
Member

From: Alabama, USA

posted 28 November 2006 11:47 AM     profile     
Russ , don't worry,even tho there are a lot of banjo pickers here,I DON'T Think this will happen,Even tho I play guitar,I don't think this is the place for a sixstring site,What about the guys that double on say,Sax,trumpet,mandolin,or keys,if Bob added every thing,it would be JUST a music forum,not a Steel guitar forum.This is the BEST place for our beloved instrument,Let's not let it get contaminated,keep it for STEEL GUITAR only.Bama Charlie.
Papa Joe Pollick
Member

From: Pontiac, Michigan, USA

posted 28 November 2006 12:36 PM     profile     
What the youngster from Al. said.And I'm a Tele picker that just doubles on steel.There's plenty of guitar sites already.JMHO..PJ
George Redmon
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From:

posted 28 November 2006 02:51 PM     profile     
I see nothing wrong with posting a guitar question, or discussion in the music section. After all it for music. Not just recoreded or live music, but any "Music" related question or discussion. Or at least i think that's what b0b had in mind when he started that section. And that is where i posted my guitar question. And guitars are certainly music related. B0b use to post about that funny little zylophone {sorry b0b} instrument he was learning, i bet he is a pro on that thing by now..sure wish you would grace us with another song on it b0b. But i don't think we need a whole section for guitar. But i tried to give the moderator a heads up, and be polite and use forum maners when i posted this question recently in the music section. Just in case i shouldn't have posted it. I'll tell ya, that newbie was right, when he said he was kinda afraid to post, and it was like taking a stick to a rattle snake... But i needed help dammit...and i got it. http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum10/HTML/202354.html



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