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John Steele
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From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada

posted 17 May 1999 10:47 PM     profile     
O.K, gang, here's the deal. Jerry Gleason and I have conspired to come up with something new and interesting for this section of the forum. In the true spirit of jazz comraderie, we're going to "trade fours" on a solo for Autumn Leaves. (Meaning, one person will tab out 4 bars, and the other will follow with four more)
I have posted the head in C6 for Autumn Leaves in a separate thread, trying to stick close to the melody. The "trading fours" will be based on these chords, and kept in a different thread labelled "Autumn Leaves -Fours". This thread will be for notes on the sections.
Jerry and I have agreed on a few things: No wild levers that people are unlikely to have; and we're going to stay away from heavy 1st-string runs, as some use a D while others use a G.
We chose Autumn Leaves because it's familiar, and it uses the two most important changes in jazz, the Major and Minor II-V-I change.
We also encourage anyone to add their 4 bars along the way.
Tomorrow I'm going to fire the opening salvo of the battle This should be fun. Like chess-by-mail, only noisier!!
-John
Jerry Gleason
Member

From: Eugene, Oregon

posted 18 May 1999 02:49 PM     profile     
Man, you are fast, John! OK, the guantlet has been thrown... After John posts his four bars of solo, I'll digest it and respond as soon as I can (But I might not be as speedy as John). I'll try to also record a sound file of my four bars to post along with the tab, so you can get an idea what it's really supposed to sound like. Sometimes it might be single notes, sometimes more chord melody; we'll see what happens. Should be fun.
John Steele
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From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada

posted 18 May 1999 03:08 PM     profile     
Notes on bars 1-4

I have included the one-measure pickup before the first bar of the solo.
What better way to start a jazz solo than by changing something! I've made this pickup a E7b9 chord, because 1) It leads so nicely into the A- , and 2) Often on a bandstand, during this one bar pickup the soloist is often left alone. It's a nice change of tonality. It's written as a two-footer. If you don't like that, then use your 3rd string lowered-lever instead of 4th string with pedal 7.
I decided that the solo should start in the lower registers to let it build. The rest of the bars are reminscent of a phrase I copped from Bill Evans. If you don't like the pedal 7 move in bar 3, and you have "D" as your first string you can use it instead.
Mr. Gleason, the ball is in your court!


[This message was edited by John Steele on 05-18-99]

Jon Light
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From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 18 May 1999 03:14 PM     profile     
Hi John, Jerry.

28 years ago after some years as a self-taught (with some classical training) jazz pianist I went to a well known dude in Boston for some work on swing and bebop fundamentals. (Charlie Banacas (sp), if anyone cares). Lesson One: Autumn Leaves. This week, the head and changes in C, write three choruses worth of new heads, and be prepared to sing them. Next week, same assignment, Key of C#. (I forget now if we worked up chromatically or ran the cycle of fifths). Twelve weeks later I was starting to get the hang of Autumn Leaves.

I'm following your project with extreme interest because two-five is a real weakness for me on steel.

Give 'em hell, John & Jerry.

Jerry Gleason
Member

From: Eugene, Oregon

posted 19 May 1999 09:36 AM     profile     
Notes on bars 5-8:

All you hip Beboppers out there will, of course, recognize the quote from "Hot House" that starts the first two bars. Couldn't resist.

I'll try to stay "in the pocket" as much as possible with this solo, meaning that I will usually play around a position where the chord is; as in the last two bars where I stay close to the seventh fret, where there's an easy voicing for the E minor chord I'm improvising over. This is essentially the concept I use for improvising on C6, that of visualizing chord positions and deriving single note lines from those "pockets". Bebop phraseology (is that a word?) requires quite a bit of bar movement, but I'll try not to jump around too much.

I should add that there are many different ways to play these lines, so if the way I've tabbed it doesn't suit you, feel free to find an easier path.

Jerry

[This message was edited by Jerry Gleason on 05-19-99]

John Steele
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From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada

posted 19 May 1999 12:58 PM     profile     
! Very clever, Jerry. Quotes are great
indicators of a fertile mind.
Now, if I was on the bandstand playing fours with someone like Jerry, and he played a quote like that, I'd feel it was my civic obligation to throw one back at him! I didn't do that in bars 9-12, but if I did, I'd probably do this, just to see if I could raise his eyebrows:


Quote from "Laura"
A- D7b9#5 GM7 CM7
1---------------|----------------------|----------------|----|
2---------------|--6~~~~~6(6)-6--------|----------------|----|
3---------------|--6~~~~~6----6----6~7-|-7(7)--7(7)-----|----|
4--12(7)--12(7)-|--6~~~~~6----6--------|-7(7)--7(7)--7~~|~~--|
5--12-----12----|--6(5)~~6(5)-6(5)-----|-7-----7-----7~~|~~--|
6--12-----12----|----------------------|-7-----7-----7~~|~~--|
7--12-----12----|----------------------|-------------7~~|~~--|
8---------------|----------------------|----------------|----|
9---------------|----------------------|----------------|----|
10--------------|----------------------|----------------|----|
1 2 . 34 1 2 . 3 4 . 1 2 .34 1234

Notes on bars 9-12:
Anyway, the phrase I did write in involves making the A- into a minor 13th chord, a nice voicing for it, follow by a phrase which lands squarely on the b9 of D7b9.
I don't have any web space, but I have made smallish wav files of my portions. If anyone wants to hear them, please e-mail me, and I'll e-mail them back to you.
-John
p.s. This is a riot!

[This message was edited by John Steele on 05-19-99]

Jerry Gleason
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From: Eugene, Oregon

posted 19 May 1999 11:08 PM     profile     
I've posted my solo on bars 13-16. Doing this has made me realize that Major II-V's are a lot easier for me than these minor II-V's I've had to solo over so far. Notice that sometimes we may overlap a little, the tail end of my solo may spill over into the beginning of John's, but that's the way it would be if we were doing this on the bandstand.

Back to you, John!

P Gleespen
Member

From: Lakewood, OH USA (I miss Boston!)

posted 20 May 1999 04:38 AM     profile     
Just had to butt in and say that this thread is really great! Now if someone would just throw in some subV subsitutions...
(Man, Jon Light, I've got to say, that Charlie B. is a hard task-master. He's where the hardcore boppers would turn to when they really wanted to hit the sheds at Berklee when I was in school there. )
Jerry Gleason
Member

From: Eugene, Oregon

posted 20 May 1999 11:44 AM     profile     
In the "fours" thread, John Lacey asked about the recording method I used for the sound files. Here's the tech notes:

from the steel I went to a Boss GX-700, then to a Mackie 1202 VLZ mixer, then into a Power Mac G3, using the built in audio, no separate sound card. The files are recorded with ProTools audio recording sofware as nice clean 16-bit files, then reduced to rather crappy 8-bit .wav files.

I use Band-in-a-box to provide a rythym section of piano, bass and drums.

John Steele
Member

From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada

posted 20 May 1999 01:23 PM     profile     
Notes on bars 17-20

John Lacey, bar 17 is especially for you!
If you look at the notes I used, you'll soon see they are all derived from the A melodic minor scale. (the second note is G#) You'll notice a * on the first string on the note following it. If you use D as your first string, it might be easier to use it rather that pedal 7 on 3rd string.
In bar 18, I went for the B7b9 (my habit).
(They're a no-brainer... there's one every 3 frets!) I had a different phrase in mind for this B chord, using an "alt" voicing instead, but I doubt I could pull it off for the wav. file. If I could, in bar 18, I would have played:


B alt
1--------------------------------------|
2--------------------------------------|
3---12(7)------------------------------|
4----------12(7)-----------------------|
5-----------------12-------------------|
6---------------------12(6)~~11(6)-----|
7----------------------------------12--|
8--------------------------------------|
9--------------------------------------|
10-------------------------------------|
1 2 3 4
{....triplets...}

Note the triplets for the second beat
(three notes equally spaced over one beat). This is a Very Cool Phrase, which insinuates a B alt chord (altered) which is derived from the 7th mode of the melodic minor scale. In this case, for B, we'd use the C minor melodic scale. I only wish I could play it right.
During bar 19, the E minor chord, you'll notice that I stepped out of the minor chord for a sec, and passed through the V 7b9 chord (B) (again!) Jazz piano players do this in order to play scale-step phrases in "block chords".
My tech notes: my wav's are recorded on a 1981 ghetto blaster that fell off a truck in Toronto. I'll try to do better. I might even tune my steel for the next one!
P. Gleespen - I'm thinking of a tritone substitution for you, for my next round.
My thanks to Jerry Gleason for putting up the sound files. That's great! Go easy on me, listeners, I'm a newbie! (but I try to be a good sport) -John

[This message was edited by John Steele on 05-20-99]

John Lacey
Member

From: Black Diamond, Alberta, Canada

posted 20 May 1999 04:57 PM     profile     
Jerry, I'm getting hung up trying to get a signal to my computer to record the wave file. I'm going out of my GX-700 to my Mackie 1202 (sound familiar). After that I'm not sure how to get to the computer. Should I go from an auxillary line out of the Mackie? I don't want to use the main outs as I use them for the playback. Any help would be appreciated.
John Lacey.
Jerry Gleason
Member

From: Eugene, Oregon

posted 20 May 1999 08:28 PM     profile     
John L., sure, you can use the control room/monitor output on your mixer to connect to your computer. I prefer to use that output to feed my playback monitors, and use the main outs to the computer. either way will work. You can also connect the output(s) from the GX-700 straight to the computer if you don't need to mix the playback signal or other sound sources. Hope you can join in.

Sorry I didn't post more tonight, but I just couldn't find the time. I'll try to continue with the second 8 bars of the bridge tomorrow night.

Jerry

Jerry Gleason
Member

From: Eugene, Oregon

posted 21 May 1999 01:37 PM     profile     
Here's a MIDI file that I made from the BIAB file for Autumn Leaves. It's just chord changes, no melody. I've used some alternate changes on the last part of the B section, a little different than the chords that John tabbed out.

On that subject, I think it's a little misleading to talk about this tune having a "bridge", since it never returns back to the A section. A usual configuration for a 32-bar standard is 8 bars of the A section, a repeat of the same 8 bars, a bridge or B section, and a return to the A section for 8 more bars (AABA) I think of this tune as more like AAB, with the B section of 16 bars.

MIDI file for Autumn Leaves

[This message was edited by Jerry Gleason on 15 June 2005 at 11:43 PM.]

John Steele
Member

From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada

posted 21 May 1999 11:08 PM     profile     
Notes on bars 25-28
Well, I decided after all I could make that interesting B alt run work, so there it is. It sounds radical.
P Gleespen asked about V substitutions.
I thought about that for a while, and put one into bar 27-28. The deal with V subs is to use the tritone of the V instead, or immediately following the V, before returning to I. Now, our tune goes from E- to C, so I've considered E minor's relative major (G) to be V, before going to (C) I. The tritone of G is Db. I thought it might be interesting to revisit the original melody for that reharmonization. The melody note is G. To make that work at the top of a Db chord, it's got to be a Db#11. Shazam. It works! And, if used properly, it will frighten the heck out of your bandmates.
I strummed it as a big chord, in retrospect, I wish I'd put the "curly chalker shake" on that one note, but I think it sounds pretty cool the way it is.
If anyone has comments, questions about any of this stuff, fire away. For those that haven't noticed yet, the point of this whole thread is to look at 11-V-1 changes, major and minor, and different chords, scales, modes, to use over them. I've learned alot doing this!
Closing arguments by Mr. Gleason......
-John
Jerry Gleason
Member

From: Eugene, Oregon

posted 21 May 1999 11:17 PM     profile     
Notes for bars 29-32

Ok, I snuck another bar in there, but I just had to let that chord ring.... I know we said no weird levers, but I'm sure I'm not the only one that lowers the 5th string a whole tone with a knee lever. That's what (-1) means. If you don't have that lever- well, sorry.... But if you do, it gives you a very pretty and dissonant voicing for a minor ninth chord. You can also add the 5th pedal and hit the tenth string for the root. The other knee lever I used (K) is just the standard lever that lowers the third string 1/2 tone.

So there you have it. A whole chorus of steel guitars trading fours on a jazz standard. You guys can keep going if you want to, but I'm about out of room for sound files until I can delete these. Please save these files for future reference, since I won't be able to leave them on my server indefinitely.

Giant Steps, anyone? You take the first 8...one, two....

[This message was edited by Jerry Gleason on 05-22-99]

John Lacey
Member

From: Black Diamond, Alberta, Canada

posted 22 May 1999 09:20 AM     profile     
This has been super. Too much of a vacuum in the main forum lately, this might kick up the dust. Just read an article on the tech page (28) of May's Electronic Musician. It concerns a demo at NAMM this presented in the Steinberg (Cubase) booth. During the demo, musicians in London, Hamburg, New Orleans, Los Angeles, and San Francisco jammed with a musician in the booth, sharing digital audio files to create an arrangement on the spot. The jam wasn't quite in real time, but it was close. The musicians logged onto a special server using Rocket Network's RocketControl client software and entered a "virtual studio". Then, they ran a prototype version of Cubase fueled with RocketPower. (Music software that includes Rocket Network's application programming interface, or API, is said to have "RocketPower.").
This article goes on to describe in detail how it went down. They used MP3 files for file compression. The RocketControl client software will be availbable in two versions: a free version and a "pro" version that will cost a whopping $29.95.
The website for the Rocket Network is:
www.resrocket.com and
www.rocketnetwork.com
We're entering an exciting new world of home and worldwide recording collaboration.
Dave Van Allen
Member

From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth

posted 24 May 1999 08:47 AM     profile     
This has been great-Thanks guys for taking on this cool project!!

Just a feeling-am I missing something?
I can't find a link to an audio file for bars 21-25...

Bob Taillefer
Member

From: Oshawa, Ontario, Canada

posted 24 May 1999 04:17 PM     profile     
All I can say is a very big thank you for sharing this knowledge. Regards Bob
John Lacey
Member

From: Black Diamond, Alberta, Canada

posted 24 May 1999 05:07 PM     profile     
Ya, you're missing something, Dave, but that's another topic! I haven't been able to get my sound recorder working on my computer. Can't seem to record with it.
Bud Harger
Member

From: Temple / Belton, Texas

posted 25 May 1999 09:36 AM     profile     
Jerry, John and John:

Thanks for taking the time to share this information. You guys are awesome!!

Jerry: Thanks to your kind advice in setting up my new Carter (D-10 8/7) last year, I have that LKR that lowers the 5th string a full tone.

Best regards,

Bud

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