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Topic: Autumn Leaves - Fours!
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John Steele
Member From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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posted 18 May 1999 03:00 PM
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For an explanation of why this thread exists, or questions and comments on it, please see the thread entitled "Autumn Leaves-Notes"
O.K., Here we go !
Pickup, and Bars 1 - 4Bar# (pickup notes) 1 2
E7b9 A- D7
1--------------------------------|:------------------|----------------------------|
2--------------------------------|:------------------|----------------------------|
3--------------------------------|:------------------|----------------------------|
4-----------------------5(7)~~5--|:-----5(7)---------|----------------------------|
5------------------5(5)-5(5)-----|:--5---------------|--------------9~~7--------7-|
6-------------5(6)------5(6)-----|:----------5-------|--------9(6)--------7--8----|
7-------4~~5------------5--------|:-------------7----|-----9----------------------|
8----5---------------------------|:---------------7~~|~~9-------------------------|
9--------------------------------|:------------------|----------------------------|
10-------------------------------|:------------------|----------------------------|
1 . 2 . 3 . 4 . 1 2 3 4 . 1 . 2 . 3 . 4 . Bar# 3 4 GM7 CM7
1---------------------------|------------|
2---------------------------|--7---------|
3------9~~8--7-----7--7(7)--|--------7~~-|
4-~~9-----------7-----------|--7--7~~~~~-|
5---------------------------|------------|
6---------------------------|-----7~~~~~-|
7---------------------------|--7---------|
8---------------------------|------------|
9---------------------------|-----7~~~~~-|
10--------------------------|------------|
1 . 2 3 . 4 . 1 2 .
sound file 93KB [This message was edited by John Steele on 05-20-99]
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Jerry Gleason
Member From: Eugene, Oregon
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posted 19 May 1999 12:09 AM
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Ok, Here's my 4-bar response.
F#m7b5 B7 Em
1---------------------|--------------------------|-------------------|
2---------------------|--------------------------|-------------------|
3--9-9----------------|------------------------6-|-7------7-6-----6--|
4------11-10-9-9------|-----------------9--------|------7-----7-6----|
5----------------10-9-|-9(5)-9(5)-10(5)---9(5)---|-------------------|
6---------------------|--------------------------|----7--------------|
7---------------------|--------------------------|-------------------|
8---------------------|--------------------------|-------------------|
9---------------------|--------------------------|-------------------|
10--------------------|--------------------------|-------------------| Em
1---------------|
2---------------|
3---------------|
4-7-------------|
5--------7-6-5~~|
6-------7-------|
7-----7---------|
8---7-----------|
9---------------|
10--------------|
Here's a sound file for the tab. It's a 332K .wav file, so it might take a minute or two to download from a slow connection. Might take me a day or two to get to the next one. Your move, Mr.Steele...[This message was edited by Jerry Gleason on 15 June 2005 at 11:03 PM.] [This message was edited by Jerry Gleason on 15 June 2005 at 11:04 PM.] |
John Steele
Member From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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posted 19 May 1999 12:36 PM
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Bars 9-12 Bar# 9 10 11
A-13 D7b9 GM7
1----------------------|-----------------------|-----------------|
2----------------------|-----------------------|--7(6)~~7--------|
3---12(7)~~12----------|--12(7)~~12~~----------|--7--------7-----|
4---12(7)~~12----------|--12(7)~~12~~----------|-----------------|
5---12~~~~~12--12------|--12~~~~~12------------|--7-----------7--|
6---12-----12------12--|--12(6)--12(6)--12(6)--|-----------------|
7----------------------|----------------12-----|-----------------|
8----------------------|----------------12-----|-----------------|
9----------------------|-----------------------|-----------------|
10---------------------|-----------------------|-----------------|
1 . 2 3 4 1 . 2 . 34 1 . 2 3 4 bar 12
CM7
1--------------------|
2--------------------|
3-----12-------------|
4--------~12(7)------|
5---------12-----12--|
6---------12-----12--|
7---------12-----12--|
8----------------12--|
9--------------------|
10-------------------|
1 . 2 . 34
sound file around 90KB[This message was edited by John Steele on 05-20-99]
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John Lacey
Member From: Black Diamond, Alberta, Canada
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posted 19 May 1999 04:04 PM
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Nice useage of the 6th. ped. over the B7th. chord in the first go-around, Jerry. Nice chromaticism. I'm learning.
By the way, what guitar are you playing on that wav. file?[This message was edited by John Lacey on 05-19-99]
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Jerry Gleason
Member From: Eugene, Oregon
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posted 19 May 1999 05:08 PM
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Very nice, John (Steele)! I'll have to work hard to keep up with you.John L., Thank you for the kind words. Actually, it's the 5th pedal for a B7 chord at the ninth fret. You can play the F#m7b5 with pedal 6 at the ninth fret, then rock over to to the 5th pedal for the B7. The guitar is a Carter, an instrument which has always pleased me. (but let's not start that brand x versus y argument here, folks...)
I have Lawrence 710's on both necks. I'll try to post another 4 bars tomorrow. Stay tuned. [This message was edited by Jerry Gleason on 05-19-99]
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Jerry Gleason
Member From: Eugene, Oregon
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posted 19 May 1999 10:53 PM
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Alright, almost halfway through the tune. Here's my solo on bars 13-16:
F#m7b5 B7 Em
1------------------|---------------------|---------|-----------|
2------------------|---------------------|---------|-----------|
3-9----------------|---------------------|---------|-----------|
4---10-9-----------|---------------------|---------|-------7~8~|~9~~~~
5--------9-8-------|---------------------|---------|------7~~8~|~9~~~~
6------------8-5-6-|-7------7------------|---------|-----7~~~8~|~9(6)~
7------------------|------7---9----------|---6-7-6-|----7~~~~8~|~9~~~~
8------------------|---7-------9---------|-7-------|-7~~~~~~~8~|~9~~~~
9------------------|------------9(5)-----|---------|-----------|
10-----------------|----------------9(5)-|---------|-----------|
And, here's the sound file that goes with it. Again, it's a 332K .wav file. [This message was edited by Jerry Gleason on 05-20-99] [This message was edited by Jerry Gleason on 15 June 2005 at 11:06 PM.] |
John Lacey
Member From: Black Diamond, Alberta, Canada
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posted 20 May 1999 08:11 AM
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Thanks for responding Jerry. The reason I ask about the guitar is that I was seriously looking at Carters at Wayne Link's due a month ago and I was looking for "that" tone that you got on that wave file, but did not find it on those guitars. That's hands notwithstanding. Also, the wave file really helps me hear the changes. Do you have a really good soundcard? Could I make one with a generic soundcard and an input from my Mackie mixer into the mic input of my computer? I'd like to join you boys.
PS- Jerry, in playing over the F#m7b5, are you regarding it as a diminished (half) and thinking about diminished scales for it? It's been a stumbling block for me. [This message was edited by John Lacey on 05-20-99]
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John Steele
Member From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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posted 20 May 1999 10:06 AM
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John, if I may jump in here... Yes, by all means, join in! The more the merrier.
Yes, the F#m7b5 chord is also called "F# half-diminished". You have two scale choices to use over this chord. First, the 7th mode (locrian mode) of the major scale. In the case of F#m7b5, it comes from the G major scale.
e.g. F#-G-A-B-C-D-E-F#. That's the one Jerry used. Look closely at his tab for bar 13, and you'll find they are all notes from the G major scale.
The second option in the 6th mode of the melodic minor scale, (also called Locrian, or half-diminished mode)in this case, for F#m7b5, you'd use A melodic minor.
e.g. F#-G#-A-B-C-D-E-F#. You'll notice the difference between the two lies simply in G# versus G natural. The melodic minor mode sounds more "modern". I'll try to use it in my next four bars as an example. The diminished scale you mentioned is not used for half-diminished chords. Only for diminished chords and 7b9 chords. (The pickup bar I wrote leading into bar #1 used the Half-step-whole step diminished scale over the E7b9)(E-F-G-G#-A#-B-C#-D)
This dialogue is great! I'm going to keep my comments on sections in the "notes" thread though, in case someone wants to print this one off.
- John
p.s. It might be timely to dig up that old thread on Modes in the bar chatter section, I'll look for it! [This message was edited by John Steele on 05-20-99]
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Jerry Gleason
Member From: Eugene, Oregon
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posted 20 May 1999 11:48 AM
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Whew! Thanks John S., for that explanation. Much better than I could have explained it. John L, I posted my "tech notes" on the "notes" thread. Thanks. Looking forward to shifting gears on the bridge with some different changes... [This message was edited by Jerry Gleason on 05-20-99]
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John Steele
Member From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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posted 20 May 1999 01:05 PM
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Bridge
Bars 17-20
Bar# 17 18
F#m7b5 B7b9
1-----------*----------------|----------------------------|
2----8-----------------------|----------------------------|
3-------8--9(7)~~9-----------|--------12~~~~~12L----------|
4-------------------9--------|--------12~~~~~12-----12----|
5----------------------------|--------12(5)~~12(5)--12----|
6----------------------9(6)~~|~~8(6)--12~~~~~12(6)--12----|
7----------------------------|----------------------12----|
8----------------------------|----------------------------|
9----------------------------|----------------------------|
10---------------------------|----------------------------|
1 2 3 . 4 . 1 2 . 3 4Bar# 19 20
E- (B7b9) E-
1----------------------|-----------------|
2----7-----------------|-----------7-----|
3----7--7--9~~~~~6-----|--7--7(7)--7-----|
4----7-----9~~~~~6-----|--7--7(7)--7-----|
5----7-----9(5)~~6(5)--|--7--7-----7-----|
6----------9(6)~~6(6)--|--7--7-----------|
7----------------------|-----------------|
8----------------------|-----------------|
9----------------------|-----------------|
10---------------------|-----------------|
1 2 3 4 1 2 . 3 4
Once again, Jerry has posted my
sound file 70-some KB. Thanks Jerry! [This message was edited by John Steele on 05-21-99]
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Kenny Dail
Member From: Kinston, N.C. 28504
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posted 20 May 1999 04:16 PM
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This is one of the best things I've seen since I've been on line. When you guys get thru, would it be possible to get a sound wav of the finished product? That would be the icing on the cake. Keep it going...you too John Lacey.------------------
kd...and the beat goes on...
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b0b
Sysop From: Cloverdale, California, USA
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posted 20 May 1999 10:11 PM
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I agree. This is great!
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Ken Williams
Member From: Arkansas
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posted 21 May 1999 08:44 AM
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John and Jerry, great stuff guys! Keep er comin'.Ken
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Don Walters
Member From: Regina, SK, Canada
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posted 21 May 1999 03:39 PM
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Superb!! You guys have gotten onto something that has great potential, e.g. on-line lessons with everyone able to audit the class!------------------
Don Walters
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John Lacey
Member From: Black Diamond, Alberta, Canada
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posted 21 May 1999 06:13 PM
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Better squeeze in where I can! This is a departure from the other guys, with a steal from Buddy! The octaves are played in dotted quarters and eighths, and a bit of overlap into the 5th. bar. Sorry, whoever.
Also, I wasn't able to record using my sound recorder, so phone me and I'll Hum it to you!
Am7 D13 Gmaj7
1------------------------|------------------------|------------------|
2---5----3----5----3-----|--------------------12--|---10-------------|
3------------------------|--6----4----------------|------------------|
4------------------------|-------------5----------|------------------|
5------------------------|------------------------|------------------|
6---5----3----5----3-----|--------------------12--|---10-------------|
7------------------------|--6----4----------------|------------------|
8------------------------|-------------5----------|------------------|
9
10
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4
CMaj. 7 F#m7b5
1---------------9-----------|------------------------|
2---------------------------|------------------------|
3------------9--------9-----|------------------------|
4--------10------------- 10-|--9---------------------|
5---------------------------|-----9------------------|
6
7
8
9
10
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4
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John Lacey
Member From: Black Diamond, Alberta, Canada
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posted 21 May 1999 06:16 PM
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Try that again. Bars 21-25(6)
Am7 D13 Gmaj7
1------------------------|------------------------|------------------|
2---5----3----5----3-----|--------------------12--|---10-------------|
3------------------------|--6----4----------------|------------------|
4------------------------|-------------5----------|------------------|
5------------------------|------------------------|------------------|
6---5----3----5----3-----|--------------------12--|---10-------------|
7------------------------|--6----4----------------|------------------|
8------------------------|-------------5----------|------------------|
9
10
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4
CMaj. 7 F#m7b5
1---------------9-----------|------------------------|
2---------------------------|------------------------|
3------------9--------9-----|------------------------|
4--------10------------- 10-|--9---------------------|
5---------------------------|-----9------------------|
6-------------------|
7-------------------|
8-------------------|
9-------------------|
10------------------|
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4
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John Lacey
Member From: Black Diamond, Alberta, Canada
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posted 21 May 1999 06:23 PM
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There's got to be an easier way!
Bars 21-25
Am7 D13 Gmaj7
1------------------------|------------------------|------------------|
2---5----3----5----3-----|--------------------12--|---10-------------|
3------------------------|--6----4----------------|------------------|
4------------------------|-------------5----------|------------------|
5------------------------|------------------------|------------------|
6---5----3----5----3-----|--------------------12--|---10-------------|
7------------------------|--6----4----------------|------------------|
8------------------------|-------------5----------|------------------|
9------------------------|------------------------|------------------|
10-----------------------|------------------------|------------------|
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4
CMaj. 7 F#m7b5
1---------------9-----------|------------------------|
2---------------------------|------------------------|
3------------9--------9-----|------------------------|
4--------10------------- 10-|--9---------------------|
5---------------------------|-----9------------------|
6---------------------------|------------------------|
7---------------------------|------------------------|
8---------------------------|------------------------|
9---------------------------|------------------------|
10--------------------------|------------------------|
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4
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John Steele
Member From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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posted 21 May 1999 06:59 PM
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Hey John! Great you could join us!
Bars 25-28 25 26
F#m7b5 Balt
1-----------------------------|-----------------------------|
2-----------------------------|-----------------------------|
3--9-------------------~12(7)~|~12(7)-----------------------|
4-----9-----------------12~~~~|~12----12--------------------|
5-----------------------12~~~~|~12--------------------------|
6--------9(6)~~8(6)-----12(6)~|~12(6)-----12(6)~11(6)-------|
7--------------------9--------|------------------------12---|
8-----------------------------|-----------------------------|
9-----------------------------|-----------------------------|
10----------------------------|-----------------------------|
1 2 . 3 . 4 . 1 2 . 3 . 4 27 28
E- Db#11 CM7
1----------------|----------|
2---7------------|----------|
3---7------------|----------|
4---7------8(7)~~|~~7~~~~~--|
5---7------8~~~~~|~~7~~~~~--|
6----------8(6)~~|~~7~~~~~--|
7----------8~~~~~|~~7~~~~~--|
8----------8~~~~~|~~7~~~~~--|
9----------8~~~~~|~~7~~~~~--|
10---------------|----------|
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4
new and improved sound file! If you guys want to go around again, I think that'd be great! The last word,(bars 29-32) I think, should be left to Jerry...
[This message was edited by John Steele on 05-21-99] [This message was edited by John Steele on 08-16-99]
[This message was edited by John Steele on 31 January 2009 at 01:49 PM.] |
Jerry Gleason
Member From: Eugene, Oregon
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posted 21 May 1999 11:05 PM
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Man, you guys are too fast for me! Last 4 bars, eh? Ok, here we go... Bars 29-32
C9 B7#9 Em9
1--------------------------|-----------|---------|-------------------------|
2--------------------------|-----------|-2~~~~~~~|-2-----------------------|
3-------------3(K)-3(K)----|-2----2----|-2~~~~~~~|-2-----4-----2-----------|
4--------------------------|---------4-|-2~~~~~~~|-2-----4-----2-----4-----|
5-------------3----3-------|-2----2----|-2(-1)~~~|-2(-1)-4(-1)-2(-1)-4(-1)-|
6-------------3----3-------|-2----2----|---------|-------4-----2-----4-----|
7---------------3(8)~------|---3(8)----|---------|-------------------4-----|
8--------------------------|-----------|---------|-------------------------|
9--------------------------|-----------|---------|-------------------------|
10--2(8)~3(8)---------2(8)~|~----------|---------|-------------------------| Am9
1---------|
2---------|
3---------|
4---------|
5-7(-1)~~~|
6-7~~~~~~~|
7-7~~~~~~~|
8-7~~~~~~~|
9---------|
10--------|
Puzzled? see my explanation on the "notes" thread. Oh, and here's the sound file for this one.[This message was edited by Jerry Gleason on 15 June 2005 at 11:10 PM.] |
Kenny Dail
Member From: Kinston, N.C. 28504
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posted 22 May 1999 06:27 AM
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Hey John, ur post for bars 25-28 will not come up on my system...I get a site under construction page instead? No problems with downloading the other sound files, just this one. Is my system messed up?------------------
kd...and the beat goes on...
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John Steele
Member From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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posted 22 May 1999 09:09 AM
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Kenny et al...
No, it's not your comp. I think I may
have imposed too much on Jerry's webspace. He's been very kind to put these sounds up on his limited space. Please e-mail me, and I'll send you the file. I think it's the best of the bunch I posted. It's 77KB, not too big.
Fun fun fun...
-John
p.s. I'm going to inquire into putting these up on some webspace of my own.. might take a couple of days. Until then, Jerry, Thanks!![This message was edited by John Steele on 05-22-99]
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Kenny Dail
Member From: Kinston, N.C. 28504
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posted 22 May 1999 10:22 AM
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John Steele...got the file in your email you sent. Worked great and sounds greater.  Thanx. John Steel, John Lacey, and Jerry Gleason, you guys are a Class Act. Thanx much for all the good music and tab.  ------------------
kd...and the beat goes on...
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Jerry Gleason
Member From: Eugene, Oregon
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posted 22 May 1999 12:57 PM
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Kenny, I fixed the link to John's sound file for bars 25-28. Should work now. That lick is too cool to miss. Way to go, John! I also reposted my file for bars 5-8, as the first one was a little noisy.I have the feeling we'll be doing this again...
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Don Walters
Member From: Regina, SK, Canada
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posted 22 May 1999 01:57 PM
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quote:
I have the feeling we'll be doing this again...
Please, ASAP!! This is the best thing that's happened here in a long, long time! Many, many thanks!! ------------------
Don Walters
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Bob Taillefer
Member From: Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
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posted 24 May 1999 04:07 PM
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Hey guys,
This is wonderful. I haven't had much time to spend on the Forum lately but when I came across this great thread I had to make time. Keep it up! Thanks Bob
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John Lacey
Member From: Black Diamond, Alberta, Canada
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posted 24 May 1999 05:01 PM
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Bob, maybe you can join in the next go-around. Just make sure you use the UBB code for your tab and it should work out ok.
John.
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Kenny Dail
Member From: Kinston, N.C. 28504
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posted 25 May 1999 06:13 AM
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Jerry, your 'repair' job on that file I couldn't access worked great. You, John S., and John L., are to be commended for taking on such a project and making it work. You will never know just how much I/we all have enjoyed the project. For lack of a better way of saying it...THANX... ------------------
kd...and the beat goes on...
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Jim Cohen
Member From: Philadelphia, PA
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posted 16 August 1999 08:51 AM
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John and Jerry:Just wanted to say 'thank you' for this thread, and the related ones. They are a gas. I printed off the phrases and have been fooling around with them for the past few days, as Autumn Leaves is a tune I love to play. Great ideas; I'm learning a lot!
By the way, I think there may be a few tab errors (or else I'm confused... very possible!)I point these out not to be critical, but just in case someone else out there is struggling along trying to make it come out right. John: in your bar #27, I believe the Db#11 lies on the 8th fret with pedals 6+7, not on the 9th fret as shown. Resolves beautifully down one fret to Cmaj7 Jerry: in your bar #30, I know that a B7#9 is on the 2nd fret with pedal 8, but the sound file sure sounds to me like you're staying on the 3rd fret, playing more of the C7#9 that you played in the previous measure. Also, the last note in bar 30 sounds to me to be a B on the fourth string at the 2nd fret, rather than a C# at the 4th fret as shown. And, thanks for teaching me what to do with that full-step lower KL on my 5th string: it's beautiful! I hadn't gotten around to using it yet. Any time you guys want to kick off another tune, I'll be tuning in. (Please!)
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Jerry Gleason
Member From: Eugene, Oregon
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posted 16 August 1999 11:20 AM
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Jim, I checked the tab, and you're correct about that last note in bar 30, it is on the 2nd fret instead of the 4th. I think what's fooling your ear on the sound file is the voice leading that I'm using. I'm playing C9 using pedal 8 plus the knee lever lowering the third string, then letting off the knee lever, and going down to the 2nd fret for B7#9, thus maintaining the D note, but changing the chord under it.
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Jim Cohen
Member From: Philadelphia, PA
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posted 17 August 1999 07:06 AM
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Thanks, Jerry; I'll give it another listen. Sounds like a very cool move.
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