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Dave Stewart Member Posts: 230 |
posted 25 June 2001 10:31 AM
Which pickup do you prefer: on a steel with laquer body and aluminum necks? For recording? On a William's? on E9th and C6th? Thanks |
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B Cole unregistered Posts: 230 |
posted 25 June 2001 11:01 AM
First your talking about two different pickups. The 910 is for players who have a real hard attach the 710 is more for players who use a lot of touch with the right hand. Both are extreemly great. I my self prefer the 710-8--210 set up for a much smother sound some others would not agree. I use a Lawrence IQ-1200 to sweeten the whole sound. There again some do agree. If you want a sound and you have an Idea what your looking for the call Bill Lawrence and he will walk you through the rough spots. 1-877-647-2651 [This message was edited by B Cole on 25 June 2001 at 11:03 AM.] |
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Darvin Willhoite Member Posts: 2322 |
posted 25 June 2001 11:12 AM
I have 710's on both necks of my Williams (lacquer body, aluminum necks), and am very happy with the sound. I recently replaced a George L's PF-1 on the E9 neck of my Fessenden (mica body, aluminum necks) and like the sound much better. I also have an MSA Classic SS (Lacquer body, wood necks) with a 710 on C6 and a 705 on E9, and the 710 sounds good there too. |
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Steve Feldman Member Posts: 2983 |
posted 25 June 2001 12:00 PM
The prevailing wisdom (among a couple of builders with whom I have spoken recently) is that for lacquer guitars, which can sometimes sound a bit 'darker' than mica ones, the 710 might be a better fit. It all depends on your particular guitar, though, and your own tastes. The 910 will have a more ballsy tone, IMO which is a good compliment for a bright guitar. The nice thing is that you can swap out to taste.... |
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B Cole unregistered Posts: 2983 |
posted 25 June 2001 03:24 PM
Darvin was there ever any question. Steve I aint never heard that sound before do it have anything to do with tone? I been reading a lot about tone lately but nothing about ballsy sound. Is that kinda like the thunder jug sound ? |
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Jeff Peterson Member Posts: 822 |
posted 25 June 2001 08:51 PM
According to Bill, how you play has nothing to do with why he designed the 910. He developed this pickup for the 'thinner' steels on the market today, with the capable help of Hal Rugg. The 910 was designed to 'help' the basic sound of a Zumsteel, Mullen, Fessenden, and various other Emmons copies, as to Bill's ears(and others), they tend to be too thin sounding, and the 710 will only accentuate a guitars sound.....which ends up thin overall. On some of these guitars that I have rebuilt or worked on, I think the 710 works fine(mainly C6th neck), but I've never been one to shirk from turning a few knobs away from the 'standard' or 'usual' settings on a Peavey Nashville 400 or 500 or 1000 to search out a paticular guitar's 'sweet spot'. They are varied...and they are different. 710's will make any guitar sound like it is...and as good as it can be. A $6000 Neumann microphone will not make a bad singer sound better....just make it way clearer for you to hear, with great presence and full, warm tone......the singer is still awful. |
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Jack Stoner Sysop Posts: 8119 |
posted 26 June 2001 04:03 AM
I put 710's on my D-10 Franklin about two years ago. It originally had the 510's on it (the blade type). I use the same amp settings for the 710 that I used with the old 510's. I still get my Franklin sound but with better string separation. My 710's are mounted a loose 3/16" (probably closer to 1/4") from the strings. I don't get any distortion and find that I don't need a machbox type device with the 710's - they sound better without it. Here is a link to samples from my Gulf Coast Steel Guitar CD Samples I mention exactly what I used as type/brand of string and the picks also have an effect on overall sound. |
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Cliff Swanson Member Posts: 345 |
posted 26 June 2001 04:15 AM
I have 910s in both necks of my lacquer finish Fessenden D-10 (aluminum necks) and I really like the resonance and string separation. I haven't tried the 710s. I also have a 1991 mica Fessenden D-10 that had E66 pickups in both necks when I became the 3rd owner of the guitar. I replaced the E66 in the E9 neck with a 910 and that guitar really came to life. The sound of the 910 was much more ballsy and rich compared to the E66, IMO. Aside from the many variables that affect tone, Jeff makes a good point in this thread when he mentions twisting amp knobs. Some pickups just won't sound their best or bring out the best in a guitar unless the amp is tweaked to optimize the signal being sent to it. Cat |
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BobbeSeymour Member Posts: 5664 |
posted 26 June 2001 08:40 AM
Your have never been more correct,Jeff,I have to agree with all your statements, Bobbe |
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Dave Diehl Member Posts: 213 |
posted 29 June 2001 03:56 PM
Bobbe is right. He recommended I put the 710's on my MSA and I can't begin to describe the difference. The sustain was great. He (and Bill Lawrence) recommended/and I followed-placing them on my Emmons Legrande and again...... great! ------------------ |
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Bobby Lee Sysop Posts: 14849 |
posted 29 June 2001 11:50 PM
I'm moving this to the Pedal Steel section. |
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Bob Hoffnar Member Posts: 4278 |
posted 30 June 2001 01:35 AM
I use 710's in my mica JCH and mica Franklin. I am very happy with them. Both guitars sound quite different. If I was buying a Williams I would try the pickups that Bill Rudolf makes for them first. I have gotten very good reports about them. If I wasn't happy with the Williams pickups Bob |
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