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Author | Topic: Wheeler Ped-All PSGs? |
Roger Shackelton Member Posts: 929 |
![]() ![]() Has anyone owned or played a Wheeler PSG? They were made in Portland, Oregon in the 1970s. They must have been a heavy guitar since the changer and undercarriage were made of stainless steel. There has to be a few 14 stringers floating around out there. Mr. Wheeler used a short cartoon character with a big mustache as his logo. Roger [This message was edited by Roger Shackelton on 02 October 2001 at 01:39 AM.] |
CHIP FOSSA Member Posts: 2536 |
![]() ![]() Roger, A friend of mine and Forumite, Norm Michaels, has a 14 string Wheeler. Norm does chime in here frequently, but not often. It's a Universal. I have sat at it and 'tinkered' around. If I'm not mistaken, Yes, the Wheeler weighs-in in the drednaught/destroyer class. As in a previous post, worrying whether single necks move a lot laterally when engaging knee levers, you could almost lean against the Wheeler and I doubt it would move much. |
John Bresler Member Posts: 607 |
![]() ![]() Roger: I lived in Portland, Oregon in the 70's and visited the Wheeler shop with a friend of mine who had purchased a steel from them. The steel was "Heavy" and the entire shop was moved to Nashville sometime later. I don't know what happened to Wheeler steels, they just faded into the sunset. At the time Sho-Bud and Emmons were the popular steels to buy and play so the competition may have been too much to bear. JB |
Norm Michaels Member Posts: 25 |
![]() ![]() Hello Roger: I happened to speak to Chip the other day and he mentioned that you had posted a comment, so I thought I'd respond directly. I bought a 14 string Wheeler (8 pedals and 6 knee levers) in the late 70's when Lee's shop was located in Nashville. I was working in Huntsville, AL so it was just a one hour hop up the road to see him and add things and make changes to the axe. I'm not sure what Chip is refering to about the pedals, since there is nothing fancy about them. It is a double raise/lower and a lot of the guitar is made out of 440 stainless steel -- all of the changer, the pull rods, the roller bridge, the cross rods. I think the only aluminium, outside of the body, which is a single extrusion, and the pedal rack, are the small rotating pieces that the pull rods attach to with nylon connectors. I'm sure this doesn't describe it very well, and if you want I'll post a pix or two of the steel and the undercarriage. There are six knee levers LKL, LNLV, LKRV, LKR, RKL and RKR. I'll be glad to share the setup if you want. Chip is correct, it is a heavy guitar . . . almost 100 lbs in the case. It is rock solid and I've never noticed any cabnet droop whatsoever. I did watch it fall off the conveyer and out of the belly of a plane once. When I picked it up at the other end and set it up in the motel room only the high g# was slightly out of tune. It is a VERY stable guitar. The top g# is an .012 and it never breaks, except after a lot a playing. No other strings break, ever. Of course, with all that metal, the most difficult playing situation was when steel or the venue were at very different temperatures. With all that stainless and aluminium expanding or contracting at different rates makes for not a fun time. I remember seeing a post a while back on the forum that Lee was living in Illinois. I should write to him and say hello. I hope this helps. I think I must be the only Wheeler owner out there. I've never run into anyone else. I know Lee did sell more than just a few guitars, including a double 14. That one must have been sold with its own truss, fork lift and two roadies to move it around. Norm Michaels [This message was edited by Norm Michaels on 04 October 2001 at 07:06 PM.] |
Graham Member Posts: 1270 |
![]() ![]() Norm: Would like to see some pics of this guitar. Had never heard of the brand until this post. Thanks in advance. ------------------ |
Russ Wever Member Posts: 770 |
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CHIP FOSSA Member Posts: 2536 |
![]() ![]() My mistake on the side levers that I mentioned above. At the time Wheeler was up and running, there were other small start-up steel companies and I must be getting one of these other steels confused with the Wheeler. But I swear, one of those lesser-known steels back then, did have some kind of a 'double' pedal mechanism. OOOHHH! The Mind. It's a terrible thing. Chip |
Glenn Suchan Member Posts: 1187 |
![]() ![]() Is it just me or do any of you guys see it the same way? ![]() Doesn't the Wheeler guitar look alot like a Sierra guitar. I wonder if "We-Wa" Wheeler ever traded ideas or shared a beer with Chuck Wright. Maybe David can add some info. Keep on pickin'! |
Skip T Member Posts: 392 |
![]() ![]() Glenn , even before I read your post , I thought the cabinet looked a lot like my Sierra. It has the same angled aprons and end plates that give it a more modern look (IMO) All it needed was square legs ![]() |
Larry Bell Member Posts: 4116 |
![]() ![]() His guitars weren't the only things he made that were heavy. Lee built me a case for my MSA D-12 in the mid-70s. He had the shop on 2nd or 3rd Ave, near Broad, around the corner from Sho-Bud. That case was metal-clad and could withstand a drop from a 3rd story window. Even empty, it was as heavy as any case WITH THE GUITAR IN IT. Needless to say, it had THREE HANDLES. ![]() I just found a Bar Chatter Post that basically says everything we said here and more -- including similarities to Sierras. Bob Maickel reported a year or so ago that Lee had been disabled in a serious accident and was selling his shop equipment. FWIW ------------------ [This message was edited by Larry Bell on 10 October 2001 at 12:46 PM.] |
Lynn Kasdorf Member Posts: 185 |
![]() ![]() I had some correspondence with Wheeler in the 70's for some reason and he sent me a photo of the ultimate white Elephant- he had a DOUBLE 14 LEFT HANDED model that he was trying to sell. Take the % of people in the world that play steel * % who play 14 string * % who want 2 14 string necks * % who are left handed * % who want a left hand model steel * % who work out daily and have Popeye arms and you come up with .... maybe 1 person? If I can find the photo, I'll post it. ------------------ |
Frank Parish Member Posts: 2327 |
![]() ![]() I remember Lee Wheeler from the early 80's in Nashville. His shop was at 4th and Broad just down the street from Sho-Bud and our place called The Hitching Post. He tried to convince me to let him build a guitar for me but I wasn't impressed with his guitars. I do remember they had very pointy pedals. He told me that he thought the Deluxe Kluson keys had a lot to do with the tone of the P/P Emmons guitars and I always wondered about him after that. He seemed to be a mad scientist type trying to convince everybody he had the worlds greatest steel guitar but I had just bought my first P/P and couldn't be convinced. Sorry to hear about his accident. |
Jimmy Youngblood Member Posts: 352 |
![]() ![]() Anybody know anything about this "dinosaur"? Seems like I read somewhere that they were manufactured in the late '60s. It's a D-10 Wheeler Ped-All ... Portland, Oregon. End plates are beautifully chromed (don't believe they are aluminum) Has 777 stamped on the under-carriage. May consider selling (best offer). |
Jimmy Youngblood Member Posts: 352 |
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