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Dana Duplan Member From: Ramona, CA |
posted 28 May 2000 09:05 AM
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Who recorded this originally, and who else had it out? I'm looking for a CD or copy of the song for inclusion in my band's set list. Thanks, DD |
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John Steele Member From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada |
posted 28 May 2000 09:12 AM
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Hiya Dana Johnny Paycheck wrote Apt #9, and recorded it in the 60's... you can find it on his "Little Darlin' Years" CD. (Lloyd on steel, very nice!) It was a bigger hit for Tammy Wynette. I love that tune. -John |
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Jason Odd Member From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia |
posted 28 May 2000 09:30 AM
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Bobby Austin wrote most of it, Paycheck did a line or two and still gets all the credit. Don't get me wrong, the Little Darlin' material is the best he ever did, great stuff. Bobby cut his version for Tally Records in 1966, this is the label that Red Simpson, Merle Haggard and Bonnie Owens had previously recorded for. |
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Jerry Hayes Member From: Virginia Beach, Va. |
posted 28 May 2000 10:25 AM
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Hey Jason, You're pretty much right as usual! I've got a mint condition copy of the Capitol LP of Bobby Austin's with Apt. #9, Cupid's Last Arrow, and a bunch of other goodies. An added bonus is the steel guitar work of Ralph Mooney. Living in LA at the time this was out in the 60's I don't think I ever heard Tammy Wynnette's record until years later. Bobby did have the original record and Tammy covered it. That was a wonderful time when the bigwigs in Nashville didn't set all the rules for radio airplay. They couldn't stop ol' Buck or Merle although I'm sure they tried. In those days a major artist would cover a lesser artist's record and shut them right out of the picture. A good example would be the Charley Pride song "Is Anybody Goin' to San Antone". This was originally recorded by a pro football player named Bake Turner, I don't remember which team he played for. He had a better record that Charley's. They played it on LA radio for about 3 weeks and then all of a sudden all you heard was Charley's version! Also the orginal record of "The Only Daddy That'll Walk the Line" was originally written and recorded by an LA artist named Jim Alley. His record listed him as the writer. I heard that in some deal to record some other stuff that Ivy J. "Jimmy" Bryant paid for some session work and in return got his pick of Jim's material in exchange. He took that tune which later was recorded by Waylon Jennings and became a monster hit on RCA. It list's Jimmy as writer on Waylon's record but he never wrote a word of it! In your studies of the west coast scene have you ever came across Jim Alley? He'd be able to give you the actual scoop about this. At one time years ago I had the 45 or this tune with Jim as artist and writer on it. ------------------ |
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Donny Hinson Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A. |
posted 28 May 2000 04:34 PM
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Johnny Bush did a version of that song, and sang his asterior off! 'Course, Johnny sang his asterior off on everything he ever did. |
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Janice Brooks Moderator From: Pleasant Gap Pa |
posted 28 May 2000 05:03 PM
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Is anybody Goin to San Antone" how did you forget this was written by Doug Sahm? ------------------ |
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Pete Hunter Member From: Republic, Mo, USA |
posted 28 May 2000 06:38 PM
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I'm almost 99.99% positive that Bob Luman (sp) also recorded "The Only Daddy That'll Walk the Line" before he passed away. He did a good job on it too. |
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Jay Dee Maness Member From: North Hills, CA |
posted 28 May 2000 08:14 PM
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I played on the Jim Alley record of "Only Daddy That`L Walk The Line. Jim did write it and Jimmy Bryant was the session leader and played guitar on it. |
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Jay Dee Maness Member From: North Hills, CA |
posted 28 May 2000 08:18 PM
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I think Bobby Austin did write "Apt Number Nine". It was the first version I ever heard. |
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dixieflyer unregistered |
posted 28 May 2000 10:03 PM
I have george jones version of apt.#9 |
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Bill Cunningham Member From: Cumming, Ga. USA |
posted 29 May 2000 01:48 AM
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I always liked the Johnny Bush version on the STOP label eight track. A great turn around by Jimmy Day. Must be about 1966. Herb may know. Bill C. |
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Smiley Roberts Member From: Hendersonville,Tn. 37075 |
posted 29 May 2000 07:56 AM
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Pete Hunter, You may have that song confused w/:"Come On Home And Sing The Blues To Daddy". I believe,this was Bob Luman's song. ------------------ |
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Herb Steiner Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX |
posted 29 May 2000 08:03 AM
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Bill- I think JB cut "#9" around 1969-70. In 1966 he was working with either Ray Price or Willie Nelson. Janice- Doug Sahm definitely did NOT write "Anybody Going..." He just covered it in the early 70's. ------------------ |
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Janice Brooks Moderator From: Pleasant Gap Pa |
posted 29 May 2000 08:12 AM
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Herb and Malcome I stand corrected. i just checked BMI and it was written by Dave Kirby. ------------------ |
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Jason Odd Member From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia |
posted 29 May 2000 08:21 AM
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You know, I forgot to mention that Bobby's 1966 Tally version is on the Various Artists Lp SWING WEST! Volume 1: Bakersfield {1999} through 'Razor & Tie Records. It has 20 tracks and features material by Ferlin Husky, Tommy Collins, Jean Shepard, Joe & Rose Lee Maphis, Wynn Stewart, Rose Maddox, the Farmer Boys, Jan Howard, Rose Maddox, Merle Haggard, Red Simpson and Bobby Austin. Jerry, I had only seen Jim's name as a songwriter somewhere, I think a tune he wrotewith Buddy Mize before Buddy split of Nashville the first time. What you heard sounds very plausable and Jay Dee's account seems to bare that out. Plus the fact Jimmy never wrote anything quite that catchy before or after. Ronstadt does a great version of "Only Daddy " on her debut LP from 1969. I wrote to Bobby Austin once and he felt the main reason that he never got real big,or had more hits,was thathe never really cared to tour his records. Preferred to have a club residency and tour clubs in small amounts. |
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Jerry Hayes Member From: Virginia Beach, Va. |
posted 29 May 2000 08:47 AM
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I have the Capitol LP #T-2773 in front of me right now and the writer is listed as Johnny Paycheck & Fuzzy Owen, published by Owen Publishing and Mayhew music. In spite of that I'd still bet that Bobby wrote the song and got a Capitol contract someway for the tune. Fuzzy Owen was a big man in Bakersfield at the time and associated with Merle, Buck, and those guys. Also around this time I think Paycheck lived in the LA area. We used to go to the morning session at the Blue Room in La Puente where he was the "steel Player". I've seen him passed out leaning over a Fender 1000 more than once. He called the band Johnny Paycheck and the Cashiers. I don't remember who else was in the group as I was usually pretty far gone by that time of day too! As far as the writers go, Red Simpson told me once that he'd written a lot of songs and they'd been recorded by Buck Owens and he always had to give Buck some writer credit for recording them. He didn't care for it too much but that's the way they do it. Cliff Crofford wrote some good songs that Snuff Garrett took a part of. I remember one night in the kitchen of the Foothill Club, I was talking to Cliff and he was almost in tears. He said "I thought he was my friend, I thought he was my friend". Cliff had a song called "Send Me Down to Tuscon" which was in the movie (Every Which Way But Loose). Snuff told Cliff that to get it in the movie he'd have to have some writer's credit. Some people in this business have no loyalty I guess! Hey JayDee, was that pretty close about the Jim Alley song. I was working with Johnny McKnight in the late 60's and we had Jim guest with us a couple of times and I think that's what he said but the smoke was pretty heavy in those days! ------------------ |
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Jason Odd Member From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia |
posted 29 May 2000 07:24 PM
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Yeah I wouldloveto hearthe story behind that one. One of those publishing deals where someone gets shafted. I've heard some stories, and I won't go into them, but it kinda shakes your faith a little. A good example is Elvis, now there's a guy who probably never wrote a song of his own, but gets co-writing credits with some of the best songwrites of the 1950's and 1960's. |
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Pete Hunter Member From: Republic, Mo, USA |
posted 30 May 2000 07:19 AM
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Smiley Roberts wtote "You may have that song confused w/:"Come On Home And Sing The Blues To Daddy". I believe,this was Bob Luman's song." You are correct about Bob Luman doing that song but I can still close my eyes and hear Bob doing "The only daddy that will walk the line" I used to hear him at MOE'S BOOT HEEL CLUB in St. Louis around 1966-67, maybe he never recorded it and I just heard him do it live a few times. I really miss that guy, he was country with a beat... [This message was edited by Pete Hunter on 30 May 2000 at 07:21 AM.] |
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Jerry Hayes Member From: Virginia Beach, Va. |
posted 30 May 2000 08:16 AM
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Hey Jason, You're probably right, Carl might have been there. He's a forumite on occasion and might come on here and tell us for sure. Carl no doubt was a helluva lot better steel player than Paycheck ever hoped to be. A few years ago we had Johnny as out featured attraction at the Virginia Country Music Association's George D. Hay Memorial Banquet and Show/dance. I asked him about the old Blue Room days and he said he didn't remember much about them, didn't want to remember them, and didn't want to talk about those times. I thought he was a little rude so I just thanked him for nothing and went to doing something else! I seem to remember Bobby George there too but I'm probably wrong. If Carl doesn't come on here in the next couple of days I'll e-mail him and ask him about those gigs. I'm going to have to start writing down people's names as I remember them. Sometimes while I'm away from the computer I'll remember something or someone and when I get home I've forgotten it. I guess it comes with getting old! ------------------ |
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Jason Odd Member From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia |
posted 30 May 2000 09:14 AM
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Jerry, now don't worry about that. I've been forgetting things since I can remember! |
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Herb Steiner Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX |
posted 30 May 2000 09:36 AM
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I remember the days when Johnny P. and Eddy Drake ran the Blue Room, and Paycheck was frequently passed out behind the steel. We used to refer to the town as "La Pee-You-entay," incidentally. One night in 1977, at the Longhorn Ballroom in Dallas, Paycheck and I were listening to Junior Knight play with Clay Allen's band (I was playing there with Alvin Crow). Paycheck was drunk/stoned and was reminiscing about the Blue Room when suddenly he said, "I believe I'm gonna sit in on that boy's steel." Well, Jr. played a Bb6 but had the corn music down so pat you'd think it was E9th he was blowing on. So did Paycheck, until he got up behind the steel and was as lost as Little Bo Peep's sheep!!! Jr. and I stood by the side of the stage holding each other's sides so we wouldn't explode with laughter!! ------------------ |
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ROBERT LEE CRIGGER Member From: JOHNSON CITY, TENNESSEE |
posted 30 May 2000 11:24 AM
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Hey, guys, you're right about Bobby Austin's writing apart.#9--he also had the best cut of it I think--I met him at Bobby George's apartment in the late 60's, and what a nice guy--but was not a music business hustler type, and probably lost the song through some kind of "wheel and deal". A lot of that goes on with writers--they tend to not want to handle the business part of it, and a lot of people take advantage of them--Also, about the blue room--I was playing the Imperial Inn jam session that ended at 7:00 in the morning (for 4 years) and the blue room started at 6:00 in the morning and lasted until 4:00 in the afternoon--Bobby George, Carl Walden, Werly Fairburn, Jim Armstrong, Richard Arlen, Bobby Garland, O.B. Obrian, Al Bruno, Jay Dee Maness, Archie Francis, Dale Bennett, Tony and Larry Booth, Paycheck, Jimmy Lee Morris, Lucky Shannon, Jerry Hayes, Jimmy Collins, Peaches Price, Wanda Haynes, Bill (Hoss) Huffman, Tony Goodman, Eddie Drake, too many to even remember--used to either be regulars or come in occasionally--I was usually there somewhere--Some really great stuff was played there by all--I also don't remember Jimmy Bryant ever writing anything that good before or after "Daddy"--He and Red Rhodes cut some stuff under Orville and Ivy--instrumental stuff, but I don't think Jimmy was that good of a writer-I may be wrong--But after hanging around Bobby George for 4-5 years, I learned to spot a good writer-- |
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ROBERT LEE CRIGGER Member From: JOHNSON CITY, TENNESSEE |
posted 30 May 2000 11:27 AM
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Also, don't want to leave out Clyde Griffin--one of the best country piano players ever, and Earl Ball--- |
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Jerry Hayes Member From: Virginia Beach, Va. |
posted 30 May 2000 07:08 PM
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Hey Robert, Man you sure tweaked my memory banks for sure. I'd forgotten about Werley Fairburne, Richard Arlen, and Lucky Shannon. Wasn't Bobbi Garland that blond who used to go outside the club with Paycheck and come back in all messed up? Do you remember the heavy set chick singer from the Imperial Inn days named Bobbi Belle? She took over Huricane Shirley's spot in the LA country music scene for sure............ ------------------ |
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Herb Steiner Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX |
posted 30 May 2000 07:32 PM
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Hurricane Shirley?!?! Jerry, Jerry,... now you're treading on dangerous ground! The names must be changed to protect the innocent! Dum dum-dum dum duuuuuummmmmmmm..... (hum theme from "Dragnet" here) ------------------ |
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Jason Odd Member From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia |
posted 30 May 2000 07:49 PM
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Ethan Reilly told me all about Hurricane Shirlie, but I'm sure he heard from someone else {heh}.. |
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Mitch Drumm Member From: santa rosa, ca |
posted 30 May 2000 09:38 PM
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Ray Corbin recorded an ode to Hurricane Shirley about 30 years ago. I have often wondered if it could be taken literally. From the tone of the posts i have seen on this forum in the last year or two, apparently it is all true and then some. Wonder if Corbin was singing from personal experience? |
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ROBERT LEE CRIGGER Member From: JOHNSON CITY, TENNESSEE |
posted 30 May 2000 10:09 PM
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YES, JERRY--BOBBY GARLAND WAS THE ONE AND THE SAME--I ALSO REMEMBER BOBBY BELLE--SANG GOOD, TOO, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY--HURRICANE SHIRLEY WAS A LEGEND AROUND THERE FOR YEARS--ALL TOO TRUE--EVEN MORE THAN THAT--OF COURSE, YOU REALIZE I'M TALKING FROM HEAR-SAY, AND HAVE NO PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IN SUCH MATTERS-- |
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Smiley Roberts Member From: Hendersonville,Tn. 37075 |
posted 31 May 2000 10:46 AM
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Who was it that did Ray Corbin in? Ex-wife,or Shirley,or who?? And how?? I've heard several stories on this.The one that sticks in my mind was,he was performing on the bandstand,& some gal just came in,pulled out a gun,& shot him. Any truth to this,anyone? BTW,it was Ray Corbin who,I believe,wrote & recorded,"Come On In And Sing The Blues To Daddy". ------------------ ~ ~ [This message was edited by Smiley Roberts on 31 May 2000 at 10:48 AM.] |
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Al Johnson Member From: Sturgeon Bay, WI USA |
posted 01 June 2000 07:01 PM
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Apartment No. 9 has really had an interesting life. Recorded by Ernest Tubb in 1967, Buddy Charleton on the steel they list 3 writers. Johnny Paycheck-Fern Foley-Charles Owens. Too bad the song can't talk. What a story. Al |
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Ray Cothren Member From: Baton Rouge, LA |
posted 01 June 2000 07:12 PM
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Info about the song & who wrote it plus an update on Bobby's health can be found at http://www.rockabillyhall.com/BobbyAustin.html [This message was edited by Ray Cothren on 01 June 2000 at 07:21 PM.] |
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Smiley Roberts Member From: Hendersonville,Tn. 37075 |
posted 01 June 2000 08:44 PM
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I have one 45 record by Bobby."Tommy Jekyll And Linda Hyde",b/w "The Great Pretender",(yes,the same one the Platters recorded).Capitol record # PRO-4951/2 Sure does sing good. ------------------ |
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