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Joe Miraglia
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From: Panama, New York USA

posted 23 October 2000 12:42 PM     profile     
Steel guitar--YES. Fiddle--YES. Keyboard--YES. Drums, etc.--YES. But all these instruments can sound non-country. Now how does a singer make it sound country (especially traditional)? The voice makes it sound country. Jim Reeves, Patsy Cline, Eddie Arnold, Ann Murray made country recordings, but at that time they weren't considered traditional country. Webb Pierce, Kitty Wells, George Jones, Loretta Lynn and others are truly traditional because of the sound of their voice and southern accent. Not everyone has that sound but many singers like to do country songs even though it doesn't sound the same. My thoughts are the trouble with today's artists is many of them start out with traditional country and use their natural voice and come out with one or two big hits, sound traditional and then try--I mean TRY--to sound pop or rock. And they try to cover their original sound by screaming YES-YES-YES. Joe I'm sorry I think the words are,Kiss-Kiss-Kiss.

[This message was edited by Joe Miraglia on 23 October 2000 at 12:49 PM.]

Theresa Galbraith
Member

From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA

posted 23 October 2000 12:52 PM     profile     
Joe,
I agree. If an artist wants to sell records which every artist wants to do, they have to put out what will sell.
End of story.
Donny Hinson
Member

From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.

posted 23 October 2000 02:13 PM     profile     
Yes...put out what sells! LeAnn Rimes couldn't give that first record away! What was the name of it again? Wasn't it "Blue" or something...with a lot of old-time steel and semi-yodling in it? Hummph! Nobody would buy a song like that...shades of Patsy Cline, who's been gone for 37 years, yeah, THAT was it! That's why it didn't sell!!!

No wonder she switched to the "New Sound"!

[This message was edited by Donny Hinson on 23 October 2000 at 05:18 PM.]

Theresa Galbraith
Member

From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA

posted 23 October 2000 02:26 PM     profile     
I personally didn't like her version. I like the stuff she's doing now!
jim miller
unregistered
posted 23 October 2000 03:35 PM           

Down through the years the non 'country' artists have always cut a 'country' song or two so they could get played on country radio.Why? Because they couldn't get the stuff they really want to do, played on Pop or rock stations. Kenny Rogers left his rock group in the early 70s, because 'country' was the thing that was selling then. So, he comes out with "Lucille", a good country song. " The Gambler " , another good country song. What has he done since? Gary Morris, the opera singer,another example, and I don't even remember what he did first. Reba McIntyre, did "Have I Got a Deal For You"
and I thought she was the greatest thing since Pluto was a puppy, and now I can't stand to watch her sing , let alone listen to her.When she throws that lower jaw out of
gear to get her grace notes I just about cringe. Do you think if Kenny had done " Three Times a Lady" for his first release he would have made it to country radio, even if it was a beautiful song. I don't. Do you think if Reba had released "Who Ever's In New England" first that she would have been a hit on country radio? I don't.
Theresa, if things keep going the way they are, and Paul winds up out of work because the steel guitar sounds too "country" and he has to start selling cars or something, and his dad has to close up shop because no one is buying steel guitars any more will you still feel the same
about today's country? I don't think so.
Hey, an opinion is like an a&& Hole. Every body has one, including me. Jim Miller
I'D RATHER BE STEELIN'
Theresa Galbraith
Member

From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA

posted 23 October 2000 03:44 PM     profile     
Jim,
Thanks for the reply. This is just my opinion. Paul will never be out of work and dad will only stop building guitars if he's unable to do so. Please continue to play what kind of music you prefer!
Joe Miraglia
Member

From: Panama, New York USA

posted 23 October 2000 04:39 PM     profile     
I don't believe all country singers have the tone or voice to cross over to pop or rock or even new so-called country. I'm not saying that is bad or good. My feelings are that Reba McIntyre sings a fine country song but when she switches over, it just doesn't sound right--"Cathy's Clown" for example. It doesn't come close to the way Karen Carpenter sang that song. But I will add that many of the country artists have sung the National Anthem with much soul--LeeAnn R. comes to mind. Joe
Theresa Galbraith
Member

From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA

posted 23 October 2000 05:19 PM     profile     
Country is what one thinks it is. I personally listen to the song and music. I draw from that. It doesn't have to have steel to be country.
Donny Hinson
Member

From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.

posted 23 October 2000 05:24 PM     profile     
Theresa,

Why didn't you like LeAnn's version of "Blue"? Was it her voice you didn't like, or just the music?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Joe Casey
Member

From: Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)

posted 23 October 2000 05:32 PM     profile     
Never say never.Nothing last forever,take good country music for instance.

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CJC

dixieflyer
unregistered
posted 23 October 2000 06:36 PM           
Theresa,
country is NOT what one thinks it is.
as a kid i got my first record player and a johnny cash album. i learned every boom-chicka-boom. my daddy's record collection was filled w/jones haggard hank lefty and even a little bill monroe and his bluegrass boys flatt&scruggs. Even as a child i understood what was said in these songs.
The songs were storys. The singers were storytellers. They commanded your attention. I don't think that is the case with todays artist. the format's the same but.........
Theresa Galbraith
Member

From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA

posted 23 October 2000 06:36 PM     profile     
Donny,
I guess I like LeAnn being LeAnn! Plan and simple!
dixie flyer,
Country is what one thinks it is. Today's music is as country as can be. Listen to the lyric, it's true and can touch the heart! It may sound different in some ways. You have to listen in order to hear and learn. It's just my opinion!

[This message was edited by Theresa Galbraith on 23 October 2000 at 06:50 PM.]

KEVIN OWENS
Member

From: OLD HICKORY TN USA

posted 23 October 2000 07:03 PM     profile     
"Country is what one thinks it is"
That is the same comment that I replied to in another post by another person.
Music types have to have guide lines or everthing starts sounding the same. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. It's really ashame that people who like real country music have to defend it, on this forum, all the time. If you say one thing bad about the new stuff you are labeled as some throwback with no insight to music whatsoever and this is the steel forum, the instrument most assoiated with real country music. People need to learn that everything new is not good just because some record company pumps $$$$$$$$$$$$ and tells you that it is.
Some people on this forum don't like real country music, that's fine, but don't try to put down or belittle the music that made Nashville what it is (or was).

Kevin
Theresa Galbraith
Member

From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA

posted 23 October 2000 07:22 PM     profile     
This is my last reply to this subject.
I like some of the traditional that I grew up with.
I personally think the country I've heard in the 80's, 90's and now are far more better musically than in the past. Just my opinion!
Theresa
Let the flames begin! Lol
BJ Bailey
Member

From: Jackson Ms,Hinds

posted 23 October 2000 07:49 PM     profile     
must be time to wash those dish's, I mean put them in the dishwasher?
Somebody put some Gene Watson on

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BJ Bailey


David Pennybaker
Member

From: Conroe, TX USA

posted 23 October 2000 08:31 PM     profile     
quote:
People need to learn that everything new is not good just because some record company pumps $$$$$$$$$$$$ and tells you that it is.

Music is good when I think it is. If I don't like it, it's not "good music" to me. But it probably is to somebody else.

Just because music is "old" or "traditional" doens't make it good, either.

And, I think that many of today's songs "tell a story", too. Not just the old stuff.

There's plenty to love and to dislike in both the old stuff and the new stuff. I prefer to dwell on what I like to listen to.

If I say I hate so-and-so's music, I'll have some agree with me, but I've also "attacked" music that others like. So, I try (and don't succeed often enough) to stay away from disparing music I don't happen to like.

If I don't like it, that's all it means. Music is personal.

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The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons


Lem Smith
Member

From: Fulton, MS. U.S.A.

posted 23 October 2000 10:20 PM     profile     
quote:
I personally think the country I've heard in the 80's, 90's and now are far more better musically than in the past. Just my opinion! Theresa

Theresa,
I know you said that was your last post, but if you don't mind, I'm curious about one thing.

Is it because during the years you mentioned, Paul was/is the number one steel player on call for the big sessions, and therefore it's most likely him on the songs you prefer? This is NOT a flame, but an honest question.

And before someone thinks otherwise, NO NO NO NO!!!!, I am NOT saying anything against Paul Franklin as a player or otherwise!!! I happen to agree with those who think he's one of the greatest players who ever sat down at the steel. I'm just curious as to whether or not you think that's a factor.

Regards,
Lem

Rick Schmidt
Member

From: Carlsbad, CA. USA

posted 24 October 2000 01:31 AM     profile     
I don't know why everybody keeps complaining about this!

I don't think that country music has got the market cornered in the "bastardized by the big money & lawyers dept." ...

Anybody listened to any jazz in the media lately? How 'bout top 40 rock? Forget about R&B.....& then of course there's rap & hip hop......

By and large, most of it is insipid pap with very little nutritional value....unlike the...... heavy sigh........good old days.

Almost anything with any depth, dimension, & a sense of roots on radio today is being played on non-comercial privately funded stations...Thank God classical stations don't have to answer to Burger King's ad men!

Actually...all things considered.....I think modern country music is actually the lesser of many evils going on over the airwaves today. It certainly has some of the more "musical" moments being thrust upon us by the demographic people working for the "big boys". I think Paul F. is a real hero here! Everything that he puts into tape is a cut above what most session players of any persuasion get to play these days. I think most producers are so mystified by the pedal steel that they havn't figured out how to squelch it down yet.

Although I must admit, as I'm driving in my car, I usually pass by the country stations pretty quick on my radio...unless I hear Paul playing a fill etc.

One trend that I do find disturbing in country music, is where almost every song HAS to have multiple writers collaborating on it in order to pass the money guy's tough requirements on what a "good song" is.
There's not alot of singular Hank Williams's or Harlan Howards' or Roger Millers' or Merle Haggards' coming up with inspired masterpieces in the tortured confines of their lonely bedrooms. At least not without HAVING to run their inspired music by all the self serving revisionists on Music Row first.

Oh well.....could be worse I guess. Whenever you hear good music being played anywhere, take a moment to thank God for letting that one slip by.

dixieflyer
unregistered
posted 24 October 2000 03:55 PM           
again, i am not putting down ALL new country.
but you can't **** on me and tell me it's raining. DEFEND the new stuff all you like.
but IMHO most artist today are singin about stuff THEY HAVENT LIVED and know nothing about. (COUNTRY)
there are a few good songs here and there but most of those fall into the wrong hands.
Robby Thomas

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