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John Drury Member From: Gallatin, Tn USA |
posted 08 March 2001 07:42 PM
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Jeremy's post reminded me of an article I saw in Scottys newsletter shortly after Buddy passed away. Toward the end in the hospital, he was rolling back and forth in the bed and moaning loudly, a nurse came in and asked "Mr. Rich, is there something that is making you uncomfortable?" He said, yes, Country Music, then rolled over and died. John Drury |
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Rick Schmidt Member From: Carlsbad, CA. USA |
posted 08 March 2001 11:28 PM
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I've heard that he did in fact say that while at a hospital, but not on his death bed. A nurse asked if he was allergic to anything, and he answered, "yeah....Country Western". Funny how urban legends like this start to mutate over the years. I also heard one about Django Rheinhardt. Supposedly his last words were to his son right before he checked out...."you'll never be the great guitarist I am, so you might as well give up" Now that would be cold! |
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retcop88 unregistered |
posted 09 March 2001 06:14 PM
Buddy Richs dying words were. ARG oor urp ssssss__________________.Sad to say all his good friend showed up at his funeral.Come to think about it no one was there. rumor has it he is a friggin Vampire and can be seen before sundown in translyvania,right outside of Pittsburgh. clatoo verada nickto. [This message was edited by retcop88 on 12 March 2001 at 06:14 AM.] |
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John Lacey Member From: Black Diamond, Alberta, Canada |
posted 10 March 2001 08:04 AM
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While driving down a street in L.A. years ago, Buddy Emmons almost ran into Buddy Rich crossing the street. Wouldn't that have made for some headlines! |
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Earl Erb Member From: Old Hickory Tenn |
posted 10 March 2001 09:12 AM
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It has been my understanding for many years that Buddy was a master of the marshal arts,so why would he not feel free to treat people like $hit knowing that they might end up dead if he was confronted.Most musicians don't like the thought of getting their fingers broke or their lips busted.I admired his talent but he was an A1 a$$hole and a prick...I heard the tape.  |
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Al Udeen Member From: maple grove mn usa |
posted 10 March 2001 02:19 PM
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Several yrs ago, BR&Band were setting up at the old Prom Ballroom in St.Paul, Mn. A guy walk up & says, "I hope your going to play some polkas", at which BR turned to the band & says, Same F***ing Farmers, and they all packed up & split! |
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Sam Marshall Member From: Chandler, AZ USA |
posted 10 March 2001 07:08 PM
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I remember seeing a review in downbeat in the record review section. Buddy Rich had recently made caustic comments about country music in an interview. In the record review, they had ganged together his latest record and a Charlie Daniels record. Their opinion was the Charlie Daniels record was superior! Sam in AZ |
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Bob Hayes Member From: Church Hill,Tenn,USA |
posted 13 March 2001 09:34 AM
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The story that I heard years ago is..that durring an interview..BR was asked what he thought of either country music or country music musicians. He basicly said they or it wasn'r worth a s--- or they didn't know what talent was ...something like that..I lost all of the respect that I had for MR BR Bob |
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Herb Steiner Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX |
posted 13 March 2001 09:50 AM
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quote: Just shows you that even Buddy Emmons is not infallible, and is capable of occasionally not getting the job done. ------------------ |
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Ric Epperle Member From: Sheridan, Wyoming USA . Like no other place on Earth... |
posted 13 March 2001 11:15 AM
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I wonder if anybody told BR that a typical 4 piece combo has 3 musicians and a drummer..  |
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Frank Parish Member From: Nashville,Tn. USA |
posted 13 March 2001 03:54 PM
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There's a website for Buddy Rich or at least there was one a while back. You can read some of the stuff he said word for word to his musicians. I always loved Rich and Krupa for their ability because I started on the drums. Rich may have been the greatest drummer of our time but he gave his band pure hell all the time. I once met a sax player that was put out of their bus just outside Vegas in the desert. He had to walk forever! Rich had a brain hemmorage on the way home from the hospital in 1986 the best I remember. Some of the guys in the band recorded his tirades without him knowing. |
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Jason Odd Member From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia |
posted 13 March 2001 04:36 PM
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It's weird, we all know that Rich was a mean, violent, rude and objectionable personality and bandleader. Your classic child star that lost his fame, then had to grow up and reclaim the throne sort of thing, but he could be strangely supportive of junkie members of his group and give them breaks he would never tolerate in anyone else. Sure he'd eventually fire them, but he would hang on to them a little longer than others. Even when he hired Art Pepper in 1968, Art was totally down and out and had spent most of the last eight years in and out of prisons and rehab clinics, he didin't even have a instrument when Buddy hired him, in fact Buddy didin't even get to fire Art, Art left due to ill health at the time. Buddy, one weird ass bastard. |
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John Steele Member From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada |
posted 14 March 2001 08:34 AM
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Anyone searching for signs of Buddy Rich's musical mortality should listen to the complete set of tracks from Norman Granz's recording session of June 6, 1950 A potentially stunning lineup for a record date (Thelonius Monk, Dizzy Gillespie, Curley Russell, Charlie Parker), the session descended into mayhem with the inclusion of Buddy Rich (whose style came from an earlier era). After 11 screwed-up takes of "Leap Frog", during which Bird can be heard to groan "What in the WORLD is going on here?!?" it becomes painfully evident that, while Rich was a great drummer, he sometimes found himself amongst company he could not keep up with. He just couldn't cut it. He was not musically infallible either, in my humble opinion. As my brother often says, take a Jerk, dress him in a suit, and all you end up with is a Jerk In A Suit. -John |
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retcop88 unregistered |
posted 15 March 2001 08:45 AM
When someone is dead and gone it is not nice to talk about him unless you can say something good. OK let me start it off.  When Buddy Rich Died it was GOOD for music.  Next: |
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Manny Shuffles Member From: st. louis, missouri, usa |
posted 15 March 2001 09:25 PM
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Funny how all you steelers only remember the good in your players. Asshole or no,t BR was the best there ever was bar none. So what that he knew it, you better take a close look at YOUR heroes. you'll find the same traits ------------------ |
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John Drury Member From: Gallatin, Tn USA |
posted 17 March 2001 03:59 PM
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Rick Schmidt:You could hardly call that an urban legend that mutated over the years, Scotty wrote that story in his newsletter only a couple months after Buddy croaked. John Drury [This message was edited by John Drury on 17 March 2001 at 07:14 PM.] |
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Jason Odd Member From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia |
posted 18 March 2001 08:08 AM
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Manny Shuffles...... quote: Do you seriously think that there are steel players who led bands, trashed the players, hated their employers, refused to play on ballads, were obsessed with cutting anyone else with a rep (Buddy was obsessed with beating Gene Kupra, although he was most likely better), cut albums with other peoples arrangements and not crediting them, yeah...... O.K sure. Don't take it personally, but you're idol didn't have clay feet, but ones made of sh..... well you know. Dude, my heroes include Red Rhodes, Speedy West, Jay Dee Maness, Tom Brumley, and Sneaky Pete Kleinow to name some. |
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Earl Erb Member From: Old Hickory Tenn |
posted 18 March 2001 08:52 AM
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Jason,I couldn't have said it better. |
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John Drury Member From: Gallatin, Tn USA |
posted 18 March 2001 10:04 AM
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Good grief! This guy must have been a 24K Prick! I was only peripherally aware of him over the years, this is the first time I've heard any of the dirt on him. Sounds like one of those people that could brighten up a room just by walking out of it! John Drury |
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Al Udeen Member From: maple grove mn usa |
posted 18 March 2001 09:29 PM
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Going back to John Lacey's reply, about BE almost running over BR in LA, Can you imagine, the nurse telling BR that the guy that ran over him, plays Country Music! |
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Joel Glassman Member From: Waltham MA USA |
posted 28 March 2001 08:36 AM
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Buddy Rich tapes transcripts: http://carrothers.com/billyboy/actone.htm Never mind...just noticed this page was posted in another thread. [This message was edited by Joel Glassman on 28 March 2001 at 08:55 AM.] |
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Joe Casey Member From: Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9) |
posted 30 March 2001 11:21 AM
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The best there ever was? That's ones opinion, I think not.He was a Gene Krupa clone only he thought the drums should be featured over all. I was just looking for my Buddy Rich collection until I realized I never had one or wanted one..Let the A$$Hole rest in Piece. ------------------ [This message was edited by Joe Casey on 30 March 2001 at 11:24 AM.] |
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Jim Ashton Member From: Malta, Ohio USA |
posted 30 March 2001 08:37 PM
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I started on the drums myself. I hear a lot of you saying that BR was the best there ever was. I would list him at least 3rd. Louis Bellson first and then Krupa. Also Bellson was the nicest of the three. MHO. Jim A... |
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Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever |
posted 01 April 2001 07:46 PM
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Jim,,,,your comments were about as accurate as one can get,,,your opinion re Buddy,Louie& Gene. I was going to start a story about my expierience with Buddy Rich,,,as he was a Rogers drums endorser at the time Rogers was owned by CBS Musical Instruments,,,Fender Rhodes Pianos,& Rogers Drums
I did clinic's with Louie Bellson & he was a prince of a guy,,,his techinique different from Buddys's his special double bass drum thing was something to see and hear and a gentleman besides his great talent. I didnt know gene Krupa as far as meeting him etc,,,but it;s difficult to say too much here about Buddy Rich,,,I would hate to think I would add to the negative comments about him,,,I saw a different kind of man in Buddy than he is known to be,,,Buddy had one man that knew him best and handled him as well ,,,his name was Ben D. Strauss ,,,Ben knew Buddy for years & years,,,Ben was the man who catered to Buddy and knew how to handle him. Ben passed away about 1 1/2 years ago and there was a nice article about Ben in "Not so Modern drummer,",,,tells alot about dont take me to task on this,,,please Iam only telling it like it was, Henry Adler Music on West 46th St was Buddys hangout when in NY ,,,there was a lot of good in Buddy Rich,,,and I hope he rests in peace,,,and if he heard all these negatives about him,,,it would make him happy and he would play harder and better,,,that was Buddy Rich....He was God, Bellson, a Prince of a guy,,,hard to choose from a standpoint of who was better...Bellson was by far much more likeable no question about that...if any of you ever run into Roy Burns( he has a drum accessory business in LA called "Aquarian" ask Roy, about Buddy,,,he knew him well, [This message was edited by Jody Carver on 27 February 2007 at 03:26 PM.] |
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Mike Sweeney Member From: Nashville,TN,USA |
posted 11 April 2001 11:04 AM
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This reminds me of a story. About a month after Buddy Rich died one of his former band members called his house and asked his wife if he could speak to Buddy his widdow said I'm sorry but Buddy is no longer alive. Oh the man said and hung up. About an hour later he called back and asked to speak to Buddy again the woman said I'm sorry but Buddy has passed away. Oh he said again and hung up. Well he called again about an hour later and asked,Is Buddy there? The woman was now getting mad and she said Look I've told you twice already that Buddy is dead. The man then said I know but I just wanted to hear it one more time. Mike Sweeney |
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retcop88 unregistered |
posted 12 April 2001 09:33 AM
I wonder what were Buddy's thoughts when he found out Jesus loves Country Music and the Devil doesn't.? |
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Susan Alcorn Member From: Houston, TX, USA |
posted 12 April 2001 01:05 PM
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What a weird strand. Buddy Rich was a complicated human being, and I feel sorry for those musicians who had the displeasure to work for him and endure his tirades, but . . . the thing that I personally remember the most about him was the utter passion he had for his music. He was a great musician, and perhaps in spite of himself led some wonderful bands. -- Susan |
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Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever |
posted 12 April 2001 10:20 PM
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Susan,,,,He was a great musician in spite of all his faults,,,he put up with a lot of primma donna's and there was no place for that in Buddy's world,,,either you cut it or you are out,,,That story about his being a monstor is highly overated. He did have some good in him,,,regardless of what has been said about him,,, He had many guys in the band that "laid down on the job" He wouldnt stand for their kind of you know what....does that make him a monstor?,,,,, I worked with no talent idiots who thought they were Elvis ,,,and they had a bigger attitude than Buddy for a lot less money,,,,,did these people who speak of Buddy ever meet him? or work with him? Sure he was difficult to work with,,,but not if you did your job as he expected of his musicians,,,,,this was not a game,,,if it were baseball these guys would have been traded off to the minor leagues,,,,Buddy was a major leaguer,,,,Copyright (c) 2001 by Jody Carver "All Rights Reserved" [This message was edited by Jody Carver on 23 March 2002 at 09:01 PM.] |
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John Lacey Member From: Black Diamond, Alberta, Canada |
posted 13 April 2001 06:40 AM
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A sound man that worked for us once, had also worked a gig at the Colonial Tavern in Toronto where the Buddy Rich band was playing. He captured the performance with a hidden 4-track. He played it for us country boys and just blew us away, what a band. |
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Guitar_Bobby_Leach Member From: St.Louis, MO USA |
posted 13 April 2001 09:34 PM
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I remember the first time I ever heard B.R. cut down country music and there were many times after that. It was in the early 70's on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. I was about 14 at the time and with the way Country music has been since the 70's, who can blame him. Has anyone heard any "Real" country music in the main stream since the 60's were over ? Start buying some Wayne "The Train" Hancock, that will will bring country back to where it should be. |
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Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever |
posted 22 April 2001 07:51 PM
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I hear much about the "negative side" of Buddy Rich,,,,it's easy to put a guy down,,he is gone now,,,if you didnt really know him,,,why continue. I met him numerous times,,he was not the monstor he was made out to be,,,strong headed sure,,,hot headed sure,,I know many people who couldnt shine his shoes that were monstors without the talent. Let the man rest in peace. Did any of you ever work for Buddy??? dont believe all you hear or read,,,he loved his image of being the "bad guy" If you didnt know him on a one to one ,,,it is unfair and unprofessional to keep slamming the guy,,,,,I knew him,,,spent time with him.. He was always good to me,,,why dont you knock it off,,,Im sure you can find someone who is alive to knock,,,,that way you can give that guy a chance to defend himself,. Knock me,,,but what do you know about me other than it takes me hours to tell a story Give it a rest... I liked Buddy Rich [This message was edited by Jody Carver on 16 May 2001 at 10:29 AM.] |
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retcop88 unregistered |
posted 23 April 2001 09:28 AM
Hooray hooray we found someone who really liked buddy Rich we finally found his fan..And quote: Wayne "the Train" Hancock will bring Country right back where it should be..Thank god for that it sure is in the toilet these days..Tell himm to load the train with some Hag & Jones and Price with Buddy Emmons on Steel and that'll do it. |
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Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever |
posted 23 April 2001 07:24 PM
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Hey 88,,,I really dont know what else to say. Buddy always spoke well about you,,gosh darn it,,,I thought you felt the same about him. Oh well,,,have a good one .......Jody |
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retcop88 unregistered |
posted 24 April 2001 04:27 AM
Buddy Rich speak good about someone??Thats like Hitler converting to judism. I highly doubt it. |
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Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever |
posted 24 April 2001 06:45 AM
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Hi 88,, iam getting a kick out of this,"grin" I really think you understimate yourself,,I think you are a cool guy,,,If it were not for me replying to you who would?? Its like this is an "over" thread...what ever has been said about Buddy has been said here on this topic. I dont want to disappoint you, I know you replied to a topic I started and was very complimentary to me,,,so I dont have a problem with your feeling toward Rich. I understand your feelings toward him and in your own way ,,,you are probably justified.. Ya know 88,,,,,when someone expects a lot from someone and then is disappointed ,,its a big let down. The other side is when you are expecting a bad time from a notorious guy like Buddy Rich and then he turns out just the opposite,,,,that to me is rewarding I have some other things to do,,the spring is here and i have much to do around the house etc,,,,enjoyed the little chats,,,its fun,,,dont take it serious.,,or personal. If I ever told you of my expieriences with Buddy,,,I think you would be amazed,,,but as you are aware ,,,I post long stories sometimes and most times too, too, long,,,but if i told you of my dealings with Buddy you may see my side,,,dont mean that I would expect you to change your attitude toward him Hey guy be well,,,it was fun goin back and forth with you,,,we're still friends OK [This message was edited by Jody Carver on 05 June 2005 at 04:58 PM.] |
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retcop88 unregistered |
posted 24 April 2001 08:12 AM
Hey Jody,Buddy Rich only had one fan or communiant I feel honored that you see the humor and take so many words in responding. May he find the rewards in death he so graciously gave to all...see I only wish him the best. |
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Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever |
posted 24 April 2001 11:10 AM
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Okay 88,,,one more for the road,,,,Iam one of many Buddy Rich fans,,,and Iam not a drummer,,,but did study drums for years. Some of his other fans include,,Louie Bellson I have many more,,,what do you suppose a Rogers Dynasonic Snare drum brings on the collectors market,??? 5 x14??? in Marine Pearl and one in chrome any idea??? check around vintage drum shops for the answer,then ask what would the value be if Buddy signed the drum heads "authentic" What would you do if that bad guy gave a young guy a $100.00 bill just for deleivering his drum set,,,and when the Rogers VP found out about it asked the sales rep from Rogers to give it back. The rep gave it back to Buddy in the presence of the VP of Rogers Drums,,,told Buddy,,,hey we pay our reps big money to rep Fender & Rogers & Rhodes Pianos,,,Buddy got annoyed at the VP,,,,took the $100.00 back . signed Buddy Rich,,,I know that rep,,,,,true story, now I have wrote you a long explanation more than I should have,,,I am going fishing buddy,,,my friends are waiting Have a great summer,,,best always. A Buddy Rich Fan. Jody Carver and feel honored to be in the company of his other friends as mentioned above,,,,did I forget Johnny Carson Ed Shaughnessy?? or Sonny Igoe,,,oh well PS Look for the Book "MISTER IAM THE BAND" by Buddy Rich 500 pages long ,,,have that too BYE BYE 88 "GONE FISHING: at least I took the time to answer you,,,told you my letters are long,,,but I love it......If you want that Book and I dont think you do just call Thanx [This message was edited by Jody Carver on 11 September 2007 at 09:36 AM.] |
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