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Robert
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From: Champaign, IL

posted 18 August 2001 08:03 AM     profile     
Can't recall ever having seen a thread on Buddy - which is a little surprising, what with all the Texans we have here . . . so - how about it? Some of you older guys may have been to see him, may have known him or his family, maybe you were playing some of the same shows. I imagine he would have gone on to be a producer/impresario-type, writing songs for his proteges, owning his own label, and creating pop music with the best of them. What do you think?

Rob

Michael Johnstone
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From: Sylmar,Ca. USA

posted 18 August 2001 11:34 AM     profile     
These "what if?" things are always fun.My guess is he probably would have become a mainstream country artist by the late 60s and into the 70s and would by now,if still living,would be revered by oldtimers but considered old hat in Nashville and would probably be playing Branson and Vegas w/no record deal.
Gene Jones
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From: Oklahoma City, OK USA

posted 18 August 2001 12:09 PM     profile     
.....or maybe a record & souvenir store down on music row!.....
Mel Culbreath
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From: Waynesville, NC, USA

posted 18 August 2001 04:45 PM     profile     
I would agree with Michael on this.

Just want to mention that I saw The Crickets last Wednesday when they opened for the Everly Brothers at Wolftrap Park near DC.

They sounded great. I was amazed at how many big songs they have written.

The Everlys sound as good, if not better, than I remembered. Buddy Emmons was stellar as usual. In fact the whole band was exceptional IMHO.

Mel

Jason Odd
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From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 18 August 2001 07:33 PM     profile     
Yep, i'm with Mike on this one as well.

Buddy used to hang out with Waylon Jennings, Weldon Myrich, Sonny Curtis, bandleader Ben Hall and others around the 1954 period, you know a lot of young guns pickin' and hanging out together, he met the Wink Westerners who were touring Texas around that time (with Roy Orbison on lead vocals), and so on.

Sometimes I forget how hot Texas was and laways has been, and I mean hot as in 'hot talented performers'.. from rockabilly, Western Swing, blues and hillbilly boogie just in the 1950s alone.
Any stories out there anyone?

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Robert
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From: Champaign, IL

posted 18 August 2001 08:32 PM     profile     
Jason:
You forgot the great Tommy Allsup!
Michael Johnstone
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From: Sylmar,Ca. USA

posted 19 August 2001 12:26 AM     profile     
There was one Texas gig - and a friend of mine has a picture of it somewhere - which featured the great rock piano pioneer Moon Mullican with Buddy Holly on drums! There's also a picture of Elvis performing in a small venue in Texas in the mid 50s with Buddy clearly visible in the audience.There are a few stories I heard from Gary Busey that HE heard from the guys in the Crickets and other Lubbock "homeboys" when he was researching his movie role as Buddy.Unfortunately,I can't relate them on this forum.Suffice it to say he enjoyed his share of the fringe benifits of being a rock star.Little Richard also tells a hilarious tale about how Buddy was late for his own set one night during an Alan Freed package tour - seems he was preoccupied in the dressing room beneath the stage of an old theater but was not dressed.He heard the MC announce:"Ladies and Gentlemen - Buddy Holly!" So,he whipped his pants on,and with a raving woody,grabbed his Strat,ran up the stairs and took the stage. "If you knew - Peggy Sue....."
Mike Perlowin
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From: Los Angeles CA

posted 19 August 2001 01:48 AM     profile     
I think that If Buddy Holly had not died in the plane crash, he would have drifted out of the public eye (especially after the Beatles hit) and gone into producing, and eventually would have been a big time executive in the music business.

I think Richie Valens would have gone on to become very big in the Latino market, and sustained a career in that genre for many years, and the Big Bopper would have faded into obscurity very quickly as a recording artist, but would continue to work as a disc jockey and radio personality.

Paul Graupp
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From: Macon Ga USA

posted 19 August 2001 06:24 AM     profile     
I can just hear the Big Booper on XERF selling baby chicks ! OOOOOH Baby, you know what I LIKE !! That would have been a real treat. Who knows, he might even been able to play Blues Stay Away From Me on a harmonic too and gotten richer that way.

Paul

CrowBear Schmitt
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From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

posted 19 August 2001 11:59 PM     profile     
Jason,
Hillbilly Boogie ?
i just gotta know what it is, what it is.
turn me on to who plays it so i can listen.
i already know some bout Swamp Boogie.
Steel what ?
Gene Jones
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From: Oklahoma City, OK USA

posted 20 August 2001 05:41 AM     profile     
During that era we played a lot of material that we called "Rockabilly"....Big Boss Man, anything by Jerry Lee Lewis, etc. It may have been the same thing! www.genejones.com
Bob Shilling
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From: Berkeley, CA, USA

posted 20 August 2001 10:17 AM     profile     
I think Mike's scenario sounds like the most likely. Buddy was pretty hands on with his production, for the times. I think his last few records had lost their punch musically too, so one more reason for him to go into production.

I was a freshman in college when I "heard the news", and I remember it as well as when I heard JFK got shot.

I still love that sound.

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Bob Shilling, Berkeley, CA--MSA S10, "Classic"

Jason Odd
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From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 20 August 2001 05:56 PM     profile     
Hillbilly Boogie is what predated Rockabilly, although I am simplifying somewhat.

Some examples are 'Muleskinner Blues' circa 1948 by the Maddox Brothers & Rose, a lot of early 1950s sides by Gene O'Quin (the excellent "Texas Boogie"), Jimmy Bryant had some boogie numbers, (he cut one in 1949 without Speedy, something like "Bryant's Boogie" I think).
Tennessee Ernie Ford cut some great boogie sort of numbers, "Mr. Cotton Picker" is a great one.

The Delmore brothers "Blues Stay Away From Me" is from around 1948, even Hank William's with "Move It On Over" comes into the style as an early example.
Who else, umm... there's Merrill Moore, early Skeets McDonald, Hardrock Gunter and others.

Janice Brooks
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From: Pleasant Gap Pa

posted 20 August 2001 08:05 PM     profile     
Mike P wrote:::::::

the Big Bopper would have faded into obscurity very quickly as a recording artist, but would continue to work as a disc jockey and radio personality.
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Mike I think his songwriting credits were a sign of things to come particuarly White Lightning, Running bear and A Begger to A King.

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Janice "Busgal" Brooks
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Mike Perlowin
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From: Los Angeles CA

posted 21 August 2001 03:38 AM     profile     
quote:
(The Big Bopper's) songwriting credits were a sign of things to come particuarly White Lightning, Running bear and A Begger to A King.

I didn't know he wrote all those. Thanks Janice.

Jason Odd
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From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 21 August 2001 05:28 PM     profile     
The Big Bopper's real name is Jiles Perry Richardson, aka the Big Bopper and P.J. Richardson.
The songwriting credits are as follows:

Chantilly Lace (Richardson)
Pink Petticoats (Richardson)
The Clock (Richardson)
Walking Through My Dreams (Richardson) Someone Watching over You (Richardson)
Big Bopper's Wedding (Richardson)
Little Red Riding Hood (Richardson)
Preacher and the Bear (Richardson)
It's the Truth Ruth (Richardson)
White Lightning (Richardson)
Monkey Song (You Made a Monkey Out of Me) (Richardson)
Purple People Eater Meets the Witch Doctor (Johnson/Richardson)
Beggar to a King (Richardson)

He might have borrowed bits here and there, but he did write a few good un's.

Larry Miller
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From: Gladeville,TN.USA

posted 21 August 2001 06:28 PM     profile     
quote:
Hillbilly Boogie is what predated Rockabilly
Jason, How about Wayne Rainey "Why Don't You Haul Off and Love Me One More Time?" It was later covered by Johnny Burnette(Rockabilly) in 1960. Larry

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Craig Stock
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From: Westfield, NJ USA

posted 21 August 2001 06:39 PM     profile     
Michael, That club that Elvis played in that Buddy was at was probably 'The Cotton Club' on the outskirts of Lubbock, I once D.J.d at 'Frat Party' while in College in the early 80's. It was a neat place and I think it is still there whether it is open or not, I'm not sure.

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Mike Perlowin
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From: Los Angeles CA

posted 24 August 2001 07:33 AM     profile     
quote:
Purple People Eater Meets the Witch Doctor
My two favorite songs when I was a kid. I gotta hear this.
Gene Jones
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From: Oklahoma City, OK USA

posted 24 August 2001 08:51 AM     profile     
I have to admit that I hadn't heard the term "swamp Rock" until someone mentioned it above, but acording to today's OKC entertainment guide, Oklahoma City's "underground" GREEN DOOR has been hosting shows since May featuring national touring acts that range from hard core punk to psychobilly "swamp rock". For example: Black Rebel Motorcycle Club; Wesley Willis; Agnostic Front; Appleseed Cast; Mates of State, and The White Stripes.

But a little voice tells me that I shouldn't go down to the "Green Door" looking for a job playing my steel. www.genejones.com

Shaan Shirazi
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From: Austin, TX, USA

posted 24 August 2001 09:14 AM     profile     
You got that right Gene that is purely a punk room, maybe my little brother's band will play there someday soon, he's a 15 yr. old drummer in OKC. I remember going to that same room when it was a different club and seeing one of the first country inspired local bands in OKC back in 1990 or so. They stood out because they did a rap version of Dolly's 9 to 5 and I swear it wasn't bad! I wonder who they were...

Shaan

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Gene Jones
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From: Oklahoma City, OK USA

posted 26 August 2001 06:49 AM     profile     
Shaan I hear you. Me and your little brother are not likely to cross paths prfessionally, but I do work with some of the young musicians who gig in all venues so I'll ask them to watch for him.

Are you playing your steel regularly now? Haven't heard you mention it lately.

By the way, I got an e-mail from Henson Cargil's son after your article about the Oklahoma City club. Thanks for the connection. www.genejones.com

Jason Odd
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From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 27 August 2001 06:15 PM     profile     
Larry, there where a lot of rockabilly artists who did country songs in more rocked up form, the Hillbilly Boogie thing is more about uptempo bluesy boogie inspired numbers by country artists, you've got the right stuff, just the latter version.

I see the term 'Swamp Rock,' I think the earliest usage I can track down are some articles an Creedence Clearwater Revial in the late 1960s, although the term 'Swamp Pop' was used to describe certain pop-country-rockabilly infused Southern artists in the late 1950s, 'Sea Of Love' etc.

Swamp Rock seemed to have become popular to describe a certain post-punk blend by groups who mixed wrist slashing country, punk, blues and the like in a sort of Creedence meets Captain Beefheart, Tom Waits, punk rock kind of thing.
Swaggering yowling stuff, kind of gothic dark blues and the like.

There was a swag of Australian bands that came out in this style, the Scientists, Le Hoodoo Gurus (turned into the more poppy Hoodoo Gurus), The Birthday Party (turned into the more menacing Birthday Party), the Beast Of Bourbon (they do a killer version of 'Psycho')..and others.
Bands of this ilk who showed more rockabilly tendencies were dubbed psychobilly, we had some great groups in that ilk here as well, while you can still some gob-smacking and exciting Western Bop and rockabilly bands here in Melbourne nearly every night.

CrowBear Schmitt
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From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

posted 27 August 2001 11:20 PM     profile     
how bout Slim Harpo,Lightnin Slim,+ Tony Joe White for Swamp kontribution ?
thanx Jason 4 the posts.
Steel what ?

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Skip T
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From: Lubbock , Tx. U S A

posted 29 August 2001 01:56 PM     profile     
Craig , the "Cotton Club" is history these days. Here is a photo of Buddy and a pretty good "oldie R & R station. http://KDAV.com
Janice Brooks
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From: Pleasant Gap Pa

posted 02 February 2002 07:07 PM     profile     
A good day to revive this topic

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Janice "Busgal" Brooks
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Craig A Davidson
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From: Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA

posted 03 February 2002 12:57 AM     profile     
i have worked the Surf Ballroom in Clear Lake Iowa and believe me, Buddy is still in there. If you stand on stage,close your eyes, and think Buddy Holly it brings a weird feeling over you. I am not the only one who felt it. So did my girlfriend and my kids. What a place it is with all it's history. I bet they had another Winter Dance Party Reunion there this weekend. Rave On Buddy!

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Robert
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From: Champaign, IL

posted 03 February 2002 05:01 AM     profile     
I see somebody revived this old thread - I opened it in August of 2001. It's fitting, I guess. I do find myself thinking about Buddy and his music every February. Always fun to haul out the J-200 and play some Buddy Holly tunes. BUDDY HOLLY LIVES!

Rob Yale

Jeremy Moyers
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From: Atlanta GA/ Nashville TN

posted 03 February 2002 10:50 AM     profile     
I am from Lubbock Tx, and being a third generation steel player I have heard many stories about the music industry back in this time era from my grandfather, Wally Moyers Sr. He played with Bill Mac, Waylon Jennings as well as Buddy. He was in the house band at the famous "Cotton Club" here in Lubbock, he played on the Hootanany Hoe down (?Spelling) as well as many other live radio programs of the time. What a cool time period for music. One story he told me was that one morning Buddy came over to his house very early to see if he would be interested in playing with his band, the crickets. My grandfather told him that he would love to jam with them, but that he did not want to join his band. He told buddy "You'll never go anywhere playing that music you play with all of those open chords" He told me that back then you played bar chords not the open chords that are frequently used today. If he only knew then what Buddys career would turn into.

Jeremy

Jody Sanders
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From: Magnolia,Texas

posted 03 February 2002 12:09 PM     profile     
My older brother Jerry Sanders was at KDAV in the "hayday" of the Cotton Club". Also the radio station in Littlefield. He has told me some great Holly and Jennings stories. Jody.
Joey Ace
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From: Southern Ontario, Canada

posted 03 February 2002 01:16 PM     profile     

"He made it easy to wear glasses. I WAS Buddy Holly."
--John Lennon

"Buddy Holly gave you confidence. He was like the boy next door."
--Paul McCartney

from www.buddyholly.com

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Janice Brooks
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From: Pleasant Gap Pa

posted 03 February 2005 04:25 PM     profile     
Long after 'day the music died,' the Big Bopper's legend lives on
Rock 'n' roll's 1st tragedy claimed the star from Beaumont 46 years
ago today
By RON FRANSCELL
Beaumont Enterprise


CLEAR LAKE, IOWA - The plane crash that took the lives of J.P. "Big
Bopper" Richardson, Buddy Holly and Ritchie Valens is one of rock
music's pivotal moments, more significant than an electrified Dylan
or that little show at Woodstock.

Why?

After the crash in Clear Lake on Feb. 3, 1959, rock 'n' roll changed.
Singer Don McLean immortalized the moment as "the day the music died"
in his pop-dirge American Pie. But it was Holly, Valens, the Bopper
and their pilot who died. The music (and the audience) merely changed
forever.

By 1959, the little world of rock 'n' roll had shrunk even further.
Elvis was in the Army, Chuck Berry was still on the rise (and soon
headed for jail), Little Richard was in seminary, and Jerry Lee Lewis
was effectively blacklisted.

Holly's career had slumped, and at 22, he needed money. Valens, a 17-
year-old Latino kid from Pacoima, Calif., had just hit the charts
with his ballad, Donna, (its flip-side was Valens' version of a
traditional Mexican song, La Bamba.)

And J.P. Richardson, a 28-year-old disc jockey at Beaumont's KTRM
radio station, was still enjoying the popularity of his hit single,
Chantilly Lace, released only six months earlier.

Richardson had already become a local radio legend in Beaumont. He
was born in nearby Sabine Pass and grew up in Beaumont's Multimax
Village, a World War II housing development. He'd been hanging around
the KTRM studio since his days at Beaumont High School, where he
graduated in 1947, and somebody finally gave him a job.

The pudgy, shy, crew-cut, chain-smoking "Jape," as he was known to
friends, hosted an easy-listening show for years, but when station
owner Jack Neil wanted to capitalize on teenagers' growing demand for
rhythm-and-blues music, Jape created a jive-talking alter ego he
called "The Big Bopper."

The character was so distinct from the real-life Jape, most listeners
thought he was an altogether different guy — probably a black hipster
who spun the hottest new tunes that were slightly racy in the mid-
1950s.


Tenacious 'Jape'
Jape was thoughtful and reserved, but the Bopper was bold,
charismatic and flamboyant. Later, after becoming a star, most photos
showed him mugging, goofy, pop-eyed and theatrical.

After a stint in the Army, Jape came home to Beaumont and KTRM with
big dreams. In May 1957, 27-year-old Jape set the world record for
continuous broadcasting — 122 hours and 8 minutes — at the Jefferson
Theater. In the last hours of the marathon, after he began to
hallucinate, he leaned on his friend and fellow DJ Gordon Baxter.

"Bax, I've died," Jape said. "Honest to God, I've died, been across
and back. They talked to me. It's OK, Bax, don't be afraid to die. It
was light over there, and warm. I didn't want to come back ... "

Jape wrote songs in his spare time at KTRM. In June 1958, he recorded
his first song, The Purple People Eater Meets the Witch Doctor. But
every record had two sides, and Jape didn't have a second song. On
the road between Beaumont and the Houston recording studio, he wrote
a B-side ditty he called Chantilly Lace, a two-minute novelty song
that is both innocent and suggestive, arguably the world's
introduction to phone sex.

Chantilly Lace exploded onto the charts. Less than a month after it
came out, The Big Bopper appeared on Dick Clark's Saturday Night
Beechnut TV show. He peddled some other songs he'd written, like
White Lightnin' and Running Bear, which would be No. 1 hits for two
other Beaumont singers, Johnny Preston and George Jones.

By year's end, Chantilly Lace had sold more than 1 million records.
He earned a gold record, which was to be delivered to him Feb. 8,
five days after the Clear Lake show.

That fall, Jape also told a British magazine about another idea he
had: He called them "music videos." He imagined a jukebox that played
both music and a short film of the artist singing it. He'd filmed
three of his own songs and had proposed the idea to his producers.

"It will ultimately become standard practice for every record artist
to make a film of himself performing his record," he told DISC
magazine, which published its story under the headline "Records will
Be Filmed!" in January 1959.

"We owe J.P. Richardson, The Big Bopper, much more credit than just
for Chantilly Lace," says rock expert Bill Griggs of Rockin' 50s
magazine.

The singers had never met before they embarked on the Winter Dance
Party tour. The Bopper and Valens would earn a princely wage of up to
$800 a week for the three-week bus tour across the upper Midwest.

But it was a nightmare. The tour scribbled illogical lines across the
snowy back roads of the Heartland in ramshackle, unheated buses,
often back-tracking to make poorly planned gigs. The musicians grew
tired and sick.

Then the bad weather turned worse. By the time they reached Clear
Lake, Iowa — the 11th concert in 11 days — the temperatures had been
below freezing for 12 days.


Fateful decisions
Buddy Holly didn't want to spend another freezing night on the bus,
so he chartered a plane to carry him and his two bandmates, the
Crickets, after the Surf Ballroom concert to Fargo, N.D., for the
next show.

But the Big Bopper was sick with the flu. He asked if there was any
room on the four-seater plane. Holly's bass player, a skinny Lubbock
kid named Waylon Jennings, took pity on the Bopper and traded his
seat for Richardson's warm, new sleeping bag.

Later, in the Surf dressing room, Valens flipped a coin with the
other Cricket, Tommy Allsup. He called heads, and heads won. He got a
seat on the plane, and Allsup got to live.

The plane took off at 1 a.m. in sub-freezing winds, lowering
visibility and light snow. Five miles northwest of the little airport
at Mason City, Iowa, the plane plowed into a farmer's field, killing
all four on board. The three singers' bodies and some of their
possessions were thrown from the wreckage into the frozen black night.

It was rock 'n' roll's first great tragedy.

The next morning, searchers found the debris and the frozen corpses.
In the pocket of the Bopper's light-blue cotton pants, they
discovered some dice, his wedding ring, a guitar pick and $202.53 in
cash. They also found the Bopper's briefcase, which contained a half-
empty pint of whiskey, some aspirin, a hairbrush and mirror, some
ties and a guitar strap — and fragments of song lyrics he hadn't yet
set to music.

For all his vision about the future of pop music and songs he had yet
to sing, The Big Bopper couldn't have foreseen his most significant,
albeit dubious, achievement: He was among the first of a long line of
rock stars made mythic by dying young.

Jay Richardson, now 45, has clearly already grappled with his grief.
He was born almost three months after his father died, so he has only
secondhand memories of his dad.

Except one.

He once dreamed his father stood behind him at a family dinner.
Placing his hand on Jay's shoulder, the Bopper said, "Don't worry,
son. Everything will be OK."

It was only a dream, but it doesn't matter to Jay. He considers it
the only true contact they ever had.

For five years, Jay has toured in a musical tribute to his father,
Holly and Valens. He's sung his father's songs more often than his
father sang them.

Other perfomers are imitating Buddy Holly and Ritchie Valens, but Jay
has the Bopper's DNA.

When he dons his leopard-skin jacket and answers a prop phone with
his father's signature "Hellooooo, baaaaby!" he's as close to his
father as he'll ever be.

Sometimes after the show, fans who saw his father during his six
meteoric months of fame approach Jay with tears in their eyes. They
want to shake his hand or hug his neck. They want to be close to The
Big Bopper again.

He signs autographs as "Big Bopper Jr."

Jay's oldest son is the fourth J.P. Richardson, and his three
children all know more now about their famous grandfather than Jay
knew growing up in a home where the Bopper wasn't discussed much.

That's all changed now.

"We still have those 23 lyrics," Jay says. "Those are what we call
the 'lost songs of The Big Bopper.' They've all got music now."

Richardson was buried in Beaumont. From Germany, U.S. Army Pvt. Elvis
Presley sent a wreath of yellow roses encircling a guitar. As Jape's
funeral cortege slowly rolled toward Forest Lawn Cemetery, his friend
Gordon Baxter played Dixieland jazz on the radio, and many radios
along the funeral route were tuned in.

A granite monument to his father has been erected at the Surf
Ballroom. A steel one stands in the sad cornfield in Clear Lake. But
Beaumont, Jape's hometown, hasn't shown the same adulation. In the
mid-1960s, the City of Beaumont's Parks Department renamed a leftover
Multimax building the "J.P. Richardson Community Center," but today
the structure is mostly used for storage.

Jape's headstone at Forest Lawn Cemetery is simple and unremarkable.
The clock he watched at KTRM hangs on a back wall of the Quality Cafe.

No streets are named for him. No festivals celebrate his life. No
park recalls the Bopper's memory.


Musical legacy
Jay, who lives in Katy, would love for Beaumont to pay a higher
tribute to his father but considers it unseemly to lobby for it.

"Some years on Feb. 3, the newspaper only has one line that
says, 'Today in history, a 1959 plane crash killed Buddy Holly,
Ritchie Valens and some other guy in Clear Lake, Iowa,' " he says.

Richardson's accomplishments surpass being "some other guy" who died
there. Chantilly Lace is ranked by Broadcast Music Inc. among
America's 800 most-played songs. With 2.7 million radio plays, that's
more than 12 years of continuous airtime if it were played over and
over again.

After Hollywood's Buddy Holly Story and La Bamba lionized the other
two singers who died in the crash, interest in Richardson's life
story simmered. Screenplays exist, but no film is yet in the pipeline.

His idea for music videos was way ahead of its time. When MTV figured
out a way to do it more than 20 years later, it transformed the music
world.

Today, the Bopper's songs earn up to an estimated $100,000 for his
heirs, who still haven't settled how the money should be divided.

Ironically, the Bopper never made much money for himself on his
music. When he died, his estate was valued at $11,111.50 (about
$72,000 in 2004 dollars) but $10,000 was unpaid royalties on
Chantilly Lace.

For Jay, the frozen Iowa cornfield where The Big Bopper drew his last
breath is more hallowed ground than the gravesite in Beaumont.

Beyond the marker, about 40 feet on the other side of a barbed-wire
fence, searchers found The Big Bopper's body. Jay has seen the news
photos from the crash site, which clearly show the corpses scattered
amid the debris.

He walks out to the spot alone.

Leaving the cornfield on a frigid late-January day much like the
morning the crash was found, Jay shares a secret.

"There was something I didn't tell you back there at the Surf," he
says. "Something inside. I didn't want to say that the granite (of
the monument) feels probably as cold and hard and frozen as my dad
was when they found him in that field. I think about that, and it
makes me sad."


Rick McDuffie
Member

From: Smithfield, North Carolina, USA

posted 03 February 2005 07:24 PM     profile     
Think about Carl Perkins, one of Buddy's contemporaries. He was huge in the 50's and, like Buddy, a big influence on the Beatles and 60's music. Yet, he is best remembered by many these days for being a member of Johnny Cash's backup band. Yet, he was a fine songwriter, guitarist and singer in his own rite. Buddy, like Carl, Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard and others, would've been a dinosaur in the 60's, even though he helped shape the era. No doubt, he was a great talent- but I'm sure his status was elevated by his premature death while at the top of his game.
Ken Lang
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From: Simi Valley, Ca

posted 04 February 2005 06:58 PM     profile     
Thank you Janice for that most informative post.
johnnyb
Member

From: Wendell, NC, USA

posted 05 February 2005 02:23 PM     profile     
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Sonny Jenkins
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From: New Braunfels, Tx. 78130

posted 06 February 2005 09:05 AM     profile     
I grew up in Lubbock with Buddy,,,a ton of talent came out of Lubbock (and surrounding area)in that era. Had it not have been for a kid from Tupelo, Buddy would have probably been a bluegrass star (Buddy and Bob and the Bluegrass Boys). I think the "Bob" was the same Bob Montgomery that went on to Producer and Music Exec in Nashville. And let's not forget Mac Davis (the most clean cut little kid you ever saw, 2-3 years younger than me, used to follow us home from school). It was agood time to grow up in Lubbock.

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Smiley Roberts
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From: Hendersonville,Tn. 37075

posted 06 February 2005 10:32 AM     profile     
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Let the confusion over Carl Perkins and Luther Perkins begin!

johnnyb,
No confusion here,at all. LUTHER Perkins was Johnny's lead guitarist. CARL Perkins was,indeed,an integral part of Johnny's entourage,as was the Statler Bros. & June Carter Cash. It was a "self-contained package" show.

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posted 07 February 2005 10:51 AM     profile     
When Johnny had his network TV show, I remember seeing Eric Clapton, Carl Perkins and someone else (maybe it was Luther) play Blue Suede Shoes, Honey Don't, or something like that. They traded choruses, and Carl Perkins (in my opinion) smoked EC. Must've been about 1970.

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