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Carter York
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From: Austin, TX [Windsor Park]

posted 05 March 2002 01:43 PM     profile     
Anyone shed light on this line from
"Six Days On The Road"?

I just passed a 'Gimmy' and a 'white', ...(I've been passing everything in sight)


Thanks,

Carter

Erv Niehaus
Member

From: Litchfield, MN, USA

posted 05 March 2002 01:52 PM     profile     
Are you pulling our leg?
It is a "Jimmy and a White". the Jimmy is a GMC truck and the White is, guess what, a brand of truck called the White. Duh!
And I thought left-handed Norwegians were slow!
Uff-Da!
John Steele
Member

From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada

posted 05 March 2002 02:01 PM     profile     
Just for the record, Carter, I must be a little "Duh" and "Slow" too, as I've never heard of a White. I never knew how stupid both of us were until Erv took the time to point it out. I hope it doesn't discourage you from asking more questions here.
-John
Donny Hinson
Member

From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.

posted 05 March 2002 03:25 PM     profile     
Gosh, White is one of the most popular trucks ever made! As far big trucks go, their Freightliner could easily be described as the "Telecaster of the highway"!
Mitch Drumm
Member

From: santa rosa, ca

posted 05 March 2002 03:31 PM     profile     
The White Freightliner was one of the dominant transports seen on American highways at the time the song was popular and through the 1960s--along with Peterbilt, Kenworth and a few others. I haven't kept up on trucks, but i think White was bought out by another major manufacturer, so the name disappeared, probably at least 20 years ago. i think there are some truckers on this forum who would know the details.
Pete Burak
Member

From: Portland, OR USA

posted 05 March 2002 05:47 PM     profile     
I think I pulled the lyrics for that tune from the same site you did.
Does it also say, a few verses down:
"I'm a little overwheight and my "law" book is way behind"
I might be wrong but I think it's called a "log book"...
"I'm a little overweight and my log book's way behind".

Frank Venters
Member

From: Peru,In,USA

posted 05 March 2002 05:49 PM     profile     
I think there was another line in the song mentioning " A Georgia Overdrive" I'd like to know what exactlly is a Gerogia Overdrive??????
Tim Rowley
Member

From: Pinconning, MI, USA

posted 05 March 2002 06:13 PM     profile     
Frank,

"Georgia Overdrive" is NEUTRAL, that's how you coast on downgrades without wearing out the throwout bearing, just kick it into neutral and hope nobody in front of you suddenly slows down! It's illegal and unsafe but it "saves fuel".

Tim R.

Carter York
Member

From: Austin, TX [Windsor Park]

posted 05 March 2002 06:42 PM     profile     
Hey, thanks for all the info! I had wondered about the Georgia Overdrive as well, that's pretty funny....

Carter

Erv, so quick to judge....I love it!!

[This message was edited by Carter York on 20 March 2003 at 10:45 PM.]

nick allen
Member

From: France

posted 06 March 2002 12:07 AM     profile     
That explains another one... I always thought "White Freightliner Blues" (Townes Van Zandt, I think Bobby Bare recorded it too) just meant that his Freightliner was painted white...
Nick (I *did* know about "Jimmy", though...)
Erv Niehaus
Member

From: Litchfield, MN, USA

posted 06 March 2002 08:31 AM     profile     
Carter:
I truly apologize if I hurt your feelings. I must have been having a bad hair day or something. I like to think of myself as a person of "faith" but it surely didn't show up in my response to your legitimate question.
Please accept my apology.
The left-handed Norwegian.
Erv

[This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 06 March 2002 at 08:32 AM.]

Carter York
Member

From: Austin, TX [Windsor Park]

posted 06 March 2002 09:02 AM     profile     
Peter, I've also heard what appears to be 'i'm a little overweight and my dogs gotta stay behind' followed by a 'yelping' steel guitar lick, on the Gram Parsons and Fallen Angels live, which I believe would have been played by forumite Neil Flanz, no?
of course, I could be hearing it completely wrong.....

pretty funny stuff......


Carter

[This message was edited by Carter York on 20 March 2003 at 10:46 PM.]

Donny Hinson
Member

From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.

posted 06 March 2002 09:07 AM     profile     
Though the "White" part is gone, their legendary "Freightliner" series is still being produced by the new company.
Larry Bell
Member

From: Englewood, Florida

posted 06 March 2002 09:27 AM     profile     
You guys need to listen carefully to Commander Cody's "Mama Hated Diesels" -- it's a short course on semi trucks -- and relationships.

Also the tune "Semi Truck"
'Well here I sit . . . all alone with a broken heart
I took three bennies . . . and my semi truck won't start'

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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2000 Fessenden S-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Emmons D-10 9x9, 1971 Dobro

Chris Forbes
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From: Beltsville, MD, USA

posted 06 March 2002 10:48 AM     profile     
I used to drive a rig. By law, you had to carry a "log" book. In it, you would "log" the times your were driving, unloading, taking a break, sleeping, etc. You are only allowed to work a certain amount of hours in any given # of days. Example:you can work x amount in a day, the average goes down if you're on a long haul for days in a row. Some truckers would keep a log book on the dash and one underneith the seat. That way you could "fool" the cops by showing which ever was favorable to you at that time. Just don't get caught or you WILL feel the wrath of Johnny Law.

[This message was edited by Chris Forbes on 06 March 2002 at 10:49 AM.]

Gene Jones
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From: Oklahoma City, OK USA

posted 06 March 2002 11:43 AM     profile     
I've always wondered what that line about "taking little white pills and my eyes are open wide" meant?

[This message was edited by Gene Jones on 06 March 2002 at 11:47 AM.]

Mark Tomeo
Member

From: Danville, PA USA

posted 06 March 2002 02:30 PM     profile     
Gene:
Neither you nor the modern audience would ever know since those candyass Sawyer Browns cleaned it up to: "I'm passing little white lines and my eyes are open wide."
Donny Hinson
Member

From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.

posted 06 March 2002 04:22 PM     profile     
Long ago, some truckers would chug coffee, benzadrine, or whatever it took to keep them awake. They got paid by the mile...so the more miles they could do in a day, the more money they made. The I.C.C. (that regulates interstate commerce) caught on to this pretty quick, and so the logbooks came to be required by law. Another innovation used to make truckers more "responsible" was the tachograph. This was an automatic clock-driven circular chart recorder that recorded speed, distance, and each stop that was made. When a company installed them in their trucks, "phoneying" the logbook became almost impossible.
Jimmy Dale
Member

From: Ripley, W.Va

posted 06 March 2002 04:24 PM     profile     
I was over the road for thirty years. I was always a line haul driver(company driver, driving company equipment), so I never got to drive any of those store bought trucks as we called them. ie. the KW's, the Pete's etc.
Son, when you took a couple of those little white pills( white cross Bennies)and chased them down with a cup of black coffee, about 45 minutes later you were riding six inches off the seat and counting every blade of grass along the highway. Man, the truck even ran better. And if it didn't run to suit you, you'd get out and put a clamp on the return line or put a stinger in the pump. Then you'd get that flame from the stack and blowin' smoke black as coal.
Ah yea, those were the good ole days, or were they? The first fifteen years it was a joy to get in a truck and go down the road with a load of freight at night.The comeradery between the drivers of all companys at the time was great. Then the government screwed everything up with deregulation and the trade turned in to a rat race. Dog eat dog. When I started driving in 1960 there were 58 truck companys represented in my home town at the time of Akron, O. After dereg. they dwindled down to maybe 5 to 10. Any of you old truckers remember any of this? Jimmy I'D RATHER BE STEELIN'
Jason Odd
Member

From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 06 March 2002 05:36 PM     profile     
Gosh Gene, being a musician there's no way you'd know about them nasty ol' bennies.. heh.

When I worked a night job at the docklands doing maintenance and reflooring a massive servie area and shipping container shed, we somehow ended up with painkillers (from carrying 20 kilo buckets of resin and industrial sand/filler mix.. my hands would curl up into claws each morning), and one of the guys popped up with his wife's diet pills.
Man, they made a fella feel zesty!

Jimmy Dale...

quote:
Son, when you took a couple of those little white pills( white cross Bennies)and chased them down with a cup of black coffee, about 45 minutes later you were riding six inches off the seat and counting every blade of grass along the highway.

Wow, what a desription, for a second there I thought I was reading some Kerouac!
Tom Olson
Member

From: Spokane, WA

posted 06 March 2002 07:58 PM     profile     
Finally! A discussion about trucks. I love truckin' songs and trucks.

Speaking of bennies -- Commander Cody recorded a song that had a line in it that went, "I just took three bennies, and now my semi truck won't start." I think it was written by Bill Terchen(sp?), a guitar player in the band.

By the way, White Motor Company was one of the largest truck manufacturing conglomerates in the world shortly before they went into bankruptcy in the early 80's. They started in the early 1900's as a sewing machine manufacturer and branched out into heavy machinery. They split into two companies -- one making trucks and the other making farm tractors and the like. I believe the farm tractor manufactering branch is still in business.

White Motor Company, at one time, owned and manufactured the following brands of trucks: Autocar, Diamond T, Western Star, R.E.O. and Sterling. They also manufactured trucks under their own brand, "White." White never owned Freightliner, but they did have an exclusive marketing and distribution agreement with Freightliner - hence the White Freightliner name.

Sterling was discontinued back in the early 50's, and interestingly, the Sterling brand has been recently picked up by Freightliner and applied to Ford heavy trucks which they now own.

R.E.O. was originally started by Ransom E. Olds after he sold his car company, Oldsmobile, to General Motors. In the mid 60's Diamond T and R.E.O. were combined to form Diamond R.E.O. Western Star was started by White in the mid 60's to compete with the fancier trucks like Peterbilt and Kenworth.

After White went into bankruptcy, they were purchased by Volvo. Volvo also purchased the GMC heavy truck division and became known as Volvo-White-GMC, now simply known as Volvo Trucks.

Freightliner and White cancelled their marketing agreement sometime in the 70's and Freightliner was again known simply as "Freightliner." Freightliner was subsequently purchased by Diamler-Benz which owns it to this day (now Diamler-Chrysler).

The Autocar name was retained by Volvo and they sold trucks under that badge for a few years. Diamond R.E.O. had been sold off to an investor in the early 70's who carried on for a few years and then went belly up. Western Star was sold to a Canadian Company who made the trucks in Kelowna, B.C. until recently when Western Star was purchased by Freightliner.

(Incidentally, Mack has been owned by Renault for years, and I believe has been purchase recently by Diamler-Benz. This means that the only heavy duty truck manufacturers which are American-owned are Peterbilt/Kenworth (Owned by Pacific Car and Foundery) and Navistar. Navistar has been on financially shaky ground for years so who knows how long they'll last).

I'm not positive, but I believe the term "Georgia Overdrive" may refer to the practice of re-arranging the internal gearing components of a Fuller twin-countershaft, dual range truck transmission, wherein the top two gears were switched so as to make the top gear a "taller" ratio to give a higher top speed.

If you like truck drivin' songs, check out some early Del Reeves tunes such as "I'm lookin' at the world through a windshield" (long strips of rubber that you see, were burnt off this rig by the likes of me, and left to rot on the highways of this land) and the classic "Girl on the Billboard" (I slowed my Jimmy down to 20, that's how many wrecks I see there every day, caused by the girl wearin' nothin' but a smile, and a towel, in the picture, on the sign, on the billboard, in the field, by the big ol' highway) and,

Red Simpson's tunes such as "Nitro Express," and "Dangerous Curves."

[This message was edited by Tom Olson on 06 March 2002 at 11:27 PM.]

Jimmy Dale
Member

From: Ripley, W.Va

posted 06 March 2002 08:19 PM     profile     
Tom, it was just like the man said, when you came to the summit of a nice long grade, preferably where you could see the top of the next grade (no curves), you kicked that sucker into neutral and let her go. That is and was Georgia Overdrive. Jimmy I'D RATHER BE STEELIN'
Tom Olson
Member

From: Spokane, WA

posted 06 March 2002 08:29 PM     profile     
I guess you're right -- I must be thinking of a "California Overdrive" or maybe "Mexican Overdrive." Pretty much around here you don't kick your truck into neutral on a hill unless you want to get killed

[This message was edited by Tom Olson on 06 March 2002 at 08:38 PM.]

Tom Olson
Member

From: Spokane, WA

posted 06 March 2002 08:34 PM     profile     
By the way, Jimmy, I agree with you that trucking was a lot different back in the days of regulation. I first started driving in '82 which was the year that deregulation was initiated. I've noticed a big difference since then, although I don't drive anymore.
erik
Member

From:

posted 06 March 2002 10:01 PM     profile     
You can still buy White service trucks. Don't know if they still make OTR tractors though. See any Marmons around anymore?
Tom Olson
Member

From: Spokane, WA

posted 06 March 2002 10:13 PM     profile     
Hi Erik,

Yes, I think Volvo still markets some forward control-type trucks and the like under the White badge. I believe that Marmon bit the dust a few years ago -- I'm not sure exactly when, but it's been within the last 5 years, I think.

Gene Jones
Member

From: Oklahoma City, OK USA

posted 07 March 2002 04:50 AM     profile     
Jason, you got that right.... Anytime the bus was anywhere near El Paso, Juarez was a designated "pit stop". (To maintain the integrity of the thread, I think our bus was a "Jimmy") www.genejones.com
Dave Van Allen
Member

From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth

posted 07 March 2002 06:42 AM     profile     
and I thought "West Coast Turnaround" referred to a Brumley or Mooney instrumental passage...

Chris Schlotzhauer
Member

From: Colleyville, Tx. USA

posted 07 March 2002 07:21 AM     profile     
Here's a modern trucker's glossary of terms http://members.tripod.com/crocodile42/truckertalk.htm

Erv Niehaus
Member

From: Litchfield, MN, USA

posted 07 March 2002 07:40 AM     profile     
If I'm not mistaken, the Freightliner came into existence through the freight company, Consolidated Freightways. They wanted a light truck built so they could carry more freight. They went to White and they came out with the Freightliner. For those who are interested, not only is a trucker limited to the amount of hours he can drive, he is also regulated as to his total gross weight. The lighter his truck, the more freight he can haul. The total gross weight used to be 73,000 lbs. but I think it's been bumped up to 80,000 lbs. Is that right? If you are overweight, you need to "dodge the scales alright" or pay an overweight fine. I think the scale at Eagleville, MO takes in enough revenue to keep the State of Missouri going! I know I paid my "fair" share one time!
Uff-Da!
Tom Olson
Member

From: Spokane, WA

posted 07 March 2002 09:04 AM     profile     
Erv,

You are right -- Freightliner was started by the Consolidated Freightways company back in the 30's. They needed a truck which would maximize the amount of payload that could be carried in accordance with the laws of the western states (which were different than the laws of the eastern states at that time).

So, Consolidated Freightways started their own truck-building company "Freightliner" which initially only built trucks for use by CF. I'm pretty sure they had nothing to do with White until later.

Then, due to demand from other truckers, Freightliner decided to offer trucks for sale outside of CF. They did so for a number of years, and then decided that the marketing and sales aspect was more than they really wanted to get into, so they made an agreement with White to do the sales, marketing and distribution so they (Freightliner) could consentrate on building trucks. Freightliner was then sold off from CF to private investors.

Regarding gross weight, before standardization of gross vehicle weight laws, each state set their own maximum gross weights. The maximum was around 73,000 or so, but most states were different from each other -- some higher, some lower. Each state also reguired a carrier to register and obtain authority from it's respective Public Utilities Commission (or equivalent) as well as purchase a fuel permit sticker for fuel tax reporting purposes. Additionally, not all states honored other states vehicle registrations. Some states honored certain other states vehicle registrations while other didn't. There were various "compacts" between certain states for vehicle registration reciprocity. That's why, back in the old days, over-the-road trucks had several different license plates. In short, it was a real complicated mess.

Nowadays, trucks only need one license plate from their home state, as the result of Federal legislation, and they need only one fuel tax registration.

Federal law also mandates a at least an 80,000lb gross weight for specified vehicle combinations on what is referred to as the "Federal Highway System" which includes some interstates and US highways along with others.

Some states -- particularly out west (except for California), and Michigan, allow significantly higher gross weights. For example, Washington and Oregon allow single trailers and combinations up to 105,500lb GVW as long as the Federal Bridge Formula is met with regard to axle loading. Montana allows a gross weight of 134,000 (or something close to that), and Michigan allows a gross weight even higher than that (around 150,000 I believe).

Carter York
Member

From: Austin, TX [Windsor Park]

posted 07 March 2002 10:35 AM     profile     
I've moved this topic to "Truck Drivin"...


No, just kidding, but who'd a thought that a misspelled word (Gimmy) and some naiveness (a White?) would lead to this much info. Thanks to all of y'all, *SO* many songs make so much more sense now, this is great!

Carter

Erv Niehaus
Member

From: Litchfield, MN, USA

posted 07 March 2002 10:45 AM     profile     
Tom:
Yes another kicker was the length restrictions. It seemed that in the states that had a strong railroad lobby, there was a very restrictive length requirement. I remember we were doing a const. project in Sikeston, MO one Summer and we couldn't get there from here because I think their length restriction was around 50 ft. and our empty lowboy exceeded that. What a deal!
Uff-Da!
Tom Olson
Member

From: Spokane, WA

posted 07 March 2002 12:00 PM     profile     
Erv -- you're right -- what a mess it used to be.

BTW -- I used to know an old trucker who, when asked how he was doing, often replied, "I've been poppin' pills, toppin' hills, and payin' bills!" Sounds like it could be the line from a song.

Erv Niehaus
Member

From: Litchfield, MN, USA

posted 07 March 2002 02:04 PM     profile     
Tom:
You better send that to Dave Dudley. It sounds like another truck driving song to me!
Uff-Da!
Kenny Davis
Member

From: Great State of Oklahoma

posted 07 March 2002 09:27 PM     profile     
"...it seems like a month since I kissed my baby's be-hind..." (my version)
Joe Miraglia
Member

From: Panama, New York USA

posted 08 March 2002 11:32 AM     profile     
OK Guys--you had to bring up the subject about trucks. After working at Cummins Engine for 22 years, I finally have retired as of last September. I have loved every minute of retirement and have tried to forget about my former employment SO lets get back to talking about music. Since retirement I have joined a pretty good six piece country band and am really enjoy it. No more trucking songs--"I Wanna Talk About Me"--HA! HA! Joe
Tim Rowley
Member

From: Pinconning, MI, USA

posted 08 March 2002 08:32 PM     profile     
I used to work with a bass player who sang "Could 'a had a lotta women but I'm not like thum other guyth" complete with a gesture and a change of voice tone.
Tom Olson
Member

From: Spokane, WA

posted 08 March 2002 10:01 PM     profile     
I think Commander Cody had a song called "Six Months on the Road" -- I never heard it so I don't know if it was a take off of "Six Days on the Road" or not. Anyone ever hear it?
Bill C. Buntin
Member

From: back at home in Cleburne, TX

posted 11 March 2002 05:17 AM     profile     
Oh how I love the girl wearing nothing but a smile and a towel in her picture on the billboard in the field near the big ol Highway! I'm still looking for that billboard.

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