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Mike Perlowin
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From: Los Angeles CA

posted 25 October 2003 07:48 AM     profile     
Gretsch changed the design of guitar more than once. We've seen them with single cutaways, double cutaways, single mutes, double mutes, no mutes, Vinyl pads of the back, bare backs, big holes in the back (under the vinyl pads) allowing access to the inside of the guitar, solid backs, the neck heel both the 14th and 17th frets, painting of F holes and real ones. etc.

I have 2. One has the painted F holes, vinyl pad, single mute, and the neck heel at the 14th fret. The other (which I prefer) has real F holes, no mute, no vinyl pad, and the neck heel at the 17th fret. It's actually a totally different guitar, and IMHO, the better of the two.

Tell us about yours.

Larry Robbins
Member

From: Fort Edward, New York, USA

posted 25 October 2003 11:53 AM     profile     
Bought one new in "71"for $427.W/hardshell case!I cant imagene what they go for nowdays!
It had painted "F"holes and a vinyl pad on the back that snapped in place.No mute and
as I recall,joined at the 14th fret.Loved that "Bigsby" tail piece!And loved that guitar more than any 6 string that I have ever owned since.My EX-wife was tired of my playing in this band and that band ect...
told me to make a choice,.."music or me"
Ill let you guess wich one I chose...
When I came home from my day job the "Gent"
was in many pieces and the wife was gone....
...Damn,I miss that guitar.............

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Sho-Bud ProII
"there's been an awful murder, down on music row!"


Stephen Gambrell
Member

From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA

posted 25 October 2003 12:16 PM     profile     
Is that a "real" poncho, or a "Sears" poncho?
(Some of y'all might not get it.)
Gary Walker
Member

From: Morro Bay, CA

posted 25 October 2003 10:20 PM     profile     
I own a 1960 Gretsch Chet Atkins Country Gentleman #35134 I bought new for a replacement of a '58 model that had a brass nut that would not note true. The new one has the zero nut or "fret nut" that also inspired Semie Moseley of Mosrite guitars to incorporate the same thing on all his guitars from that time. After I bought it, I took it to Semie to do his "Magic" and made a great playing guitar into the smoothest playing action alive. It is a single cutaway and the F holes are cutout and filled with a black plastic insert. The binding has yellowed with age but it's still a beauty and the Grover Imperials are fine. Doyle Dykes has been at my home and fell in love with it. There's no mute, no pad and the back has never had a belt buckle against it. In other words, it's cherry for it's age.
In 1989 I bought a new Cherry Red Gibson Chet Atkins Country Gentleman and in '94 at the CAAS (Chet Convention)Chet signed them both in gold, thanks to Kirk Sand of Sand Guitars.
Having the same model guitars from two different companies produced almost 30 years apart and autographed by the Maestro himself is quite collector's dream.
I was privileged to sit along side with Chet in Sept '57 in Studio B in Nashville watching a dub session. The musicians included Floyd Cramer, piano, Murray "Buddy" Harmon, drums, Bob Moore, bass and Grady Martin playing a two-toned avocado green guitar that Chet said was a prototype of the new Country Gent.
I fell in love with the new guitar and made up my mind to own one. I have it and that's the rest of the story.

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Stephen Gambrell
Member

From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA

posted 26 October 2003 05:22 AM     profile     
If Jack Nicholson played guitar, it'd be a Gretsch. Truly one of the coolest guitars on the planet--no matter WHO's playing it.
Rainer Hackstaette
Member

From: Bohmte, Germany

posted 26 October 2003 05:32 AM     profile     
quote:
If Jack Nicholson played guitar, it'd be a Gretsch.

Yep! Jack sure knows how to wield an axe, don't he?

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Remington D-10 8+7, Sierra Crown D-10 gearless 8+8, Sierra Session S-14 gearless 8+5, '76 Emmons D-10 8+4, Peavey Session 400 LTD


Larry Robbins
Member

From: Fort Edward, New York, USA

posted 26 October 2003 06:32 AM     profile     
Zappa?
Roger Miller
Member

From: Waterloo, Ia.

posted 26 October 2003 05:39 PM     profile     
I don't care about the style of Country Gent, they are a quality instrument from the get go. Agree the less expensive models are not as taylored as the hollow bodies. I've played several Country Gents.,Nashvilles, and Vikings, and they are all great guitars.
Lefty
Member

From: Grayson, Ga.

posted 29 October 2003 07:58 AM     profile     
I oredered mine new in 1971 from Jackson's Music in Atlanta. I bought it new with a new twin reverb amp. Unfortunatly the amp got traded years ago. Mine is a Left Handed model with fake F holes, and thumbnail markers on both sides of the fretboard.
Mine is the 14th fret model, and one of the last Baldwin models produced I believe.
It sounds best through my 1957 Fender Pro with a little digital delay.
Mine has the back pad, but no muffler.
It is in fine condition for its age, with just a slight bit of binding shrink at the bends. If anyone has delt with this issue, please offer advise.
Lefty,
Dekley D-10
Sho-Bud LDG
Gretsch Country Gentlman
Mike Perlowin
Member

From: Los Angeles CA

posted 29 October 2003 09:38 AM     profile     
Lefty, I think you're mistaken about your guitar being one of the last Baldwins. From what little I know, I think it is one of the last pre-Baldwins. I believe The Baldwin models are the ones with the real F holes.

At any rate if you want the guitar restored, you should contact Wings Guitar Service in San Jose CA. Wings is (or was prior to Frender's acquisitiuon of the company) the Gretsch authorised service center. Their phone number is (408) 225-2162

Stephen Gambrell
Member

From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA

posted 29 October 2003 10:07 AM     profile     
lefty, is Jackson's still open? I bought a couple of Martins down there, back in the 70's, and Mr. Jackson was a wonderful man. He, and his customers, knew what they were talking about!
seldomfed
Member

From: Colorado

posted 29 October 2003 03:11 PM     profile     
I have a '64 I believe. It's actually in the shop now so can't see it to remember all details. Brown, painted f holes, double mutes, pad on back, zero nut 1 filtertron, 1 supertron. Funny I don't remember if it's single or double cut.

Here's the deal. I've not played it for a long time because the binding was cracked. Well it finally started coming off on the neck! I just took it to a local luthier and he said he could fix the binding without replacing it by melting some of the same material and filling in the cracks etc. He's an excellent guitar maker so I hope this will come out ok. I was thinking about selling it to fund some other music equip. since I don't play it. But who knows - if he fixes this problem well - I might change my mind.

Also the gold plating on the tuners, bigsby and filtertron and supertron is flaking slightly . I was told that the out-gassing of the binding material in the closed case is the root cause of this. Not sure. It's not been abuse that I can tell because the finish and neck are excellent! Just sad that it's deteriorating - so I'll try and bring it back to life a little.

I got it used for $200 about 10 years ago - so anything I do will make it better. It's actually in pretty great shape. And I've loved these guitars since I was a kid.

chrisk

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Chris Kennison
Ft. Collins, Colorado
"There is no spoon"
www.book-em-danno.com


Mike Perlowin
Member

From: Los Angeles CA

posted 29 October 2003 04:07 PM     profile     
quote:
I got it used for $200 about 10 years ago.

You scored!!. That guitar is worth more than 10 times that much today.
Gary Walker
Member

From: Morro Bay, CA

posted 29 October 2003 09:11 PM     profile     
Mike, obviously you know about the worth of these more than some people because I've been told that Gretschs don't bring big money and they don't fetch high dollars on EBay unless White Falcons or mid 50s G Brand 6120s.
Stephen Gambrell
Member

From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA

posted 29 October 2003 09:56 PM     profile     
Mike knows, alright! He's got a real collector's item, refinished, refretted, and still worth a ton!
Mike Perlowin
Member

From: Los Angeles CA

posted 29 October 2003 11:37 PM     profile     
quote:
He's got a real collector's item, refinished, refretted, and still worth a ton!

I wish. I made the mistake having my '67 guitar restored (which included a refinishing job.) I was thinking about having a functioning instrument, not a collectors item. Once a guitar of this nature is refurnished, it's value to collectors decreases. The guitar is now worth about $1,500. Country Gents of the same vintage in original condition are fetching a lot more on E-bay.

Lefty
Member

From: Grayson, Ga.

posted 30 October 2003 06:37 AM     profile     
Stephen,
Mr. Jackson died some years back. His wife ran a new store, still called Jacksons.
I believe they are closed now.
Mr Jackson was the Godfather of music store owners. He even looked the part, and talked with that gravel voice. He was a gentleman. My father was friends with his brother who was also a policeman, and was killed on a motorcycle.
Mr. Jackson would let me get gear, and say "Send me some money when you can kid".
I bought my first good amp and guitar there in 1967. Still have the Fender Bandmaster.
I wemt in to get an acoustic. I wanted a gibson, but mr Jackson went back to his office and pulled out a Martin case and said "This is what you want". I still have my D-35.
Lefty
Dekley D10
Sho-Bud LDG
Martin D-35
Stephen Gambrell
Member

From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA

posted 30 October 2003 02:50 PM     profile     
That's him, Lefty. Wouldn't it be wonderful if every music store were run the way Mr. Jackson ran his! Sorry to hear of his passing.
seldomfed
Member

From: Colorado

posted 30 October 2003 03:21 PM     profile     
yeah Mike, - I watch prices in Vintage Guitar mag. and of course check out the new Gretsch prices, so $2000-$2600 is not unheard of for used Gents. Depends on the buyer. My goal is to make it playable for now. Perhaps later I'll restore it completely, replate the parts etc.

Vintage Guitar mag. is fun. They had a great article a few months back that basically said if you'd invested $10,000 in vintage guitars in 1998 instead of Mutual Funds, you'd still have all your money plus about 26% profit!!! Sorta makes you cry don't it?

chris

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Chris Kennison
Ft. Collins, Colorado
"There is no spoon"
www.book-em-danno.com


seldomfed
Member

From: Colorado

posted 03 November 2003 09:49 AM     profile     
Hi Mike,
Got it back from the repair guy Sat. and I'm quite impressed with how he fixed the binding. It's not perfect but will be playable for quite some time until I can have it restored. Thing is, since it's been un-playable for a long time I forgot what a joy this guitar is. I never really gave it a lot of my attention till now! Lovely.

Which brings me to my point; I played it all weekend and can't figure out what the heck all the controls are for??
It has some scratchy pots etc. so perhaps some of the functions are not working.

It's got three toggles and three knobs and I'm not sure if they are working as they are supposed to.

It looks almost exactly like this one http://www.thebeatalls.com/Beatalls%20Web%20Pics/Gretsch%20Gent%20close%20up%20page.htm

The tuning keys are not the 'stepped' grover type, they're big fat oval metal ones (gold is worn off a little)

controls;
switch 1 - upper, left of neck outboard - 3 position, seems to switch between pickups
left = bridge sound, middle=blended sound, right=neck sound(full and louder)
switch 2 - upper, left of neck inboard - 3 posistion, middle position is a normal tone, move it either way and it takes all the highs out and give a really muted and muddy tone - seems to be the same which ever way you move it
switch 3 - lower, below Bigsby by vol. and tone knobs, 3 position, in middle everything is off!, in one of the other positions it seems to just turn on the pickups, and there seems to be a slight difference between the sounds selected by switch 1 depending on the position of this one, but very slight

knobs;
knob 1 - upper, right of neck - seems to be a master vol.
knob 2,3 - lower body, vol. and tone I think, but they don't do much

So - since you seem to be the resident expert on CG's - can you enlighten me??
thanks,
Chris

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Chris Kennison
Ft. Collins, Colorado
"There is no spoon"
www.book-em-danno.com


Mike Perlowin
Member

From: Los Angeles CA

posted 03 November 2003 11:55 AM     profile     
Chris. I'm not an expert on these (or any other) guitars, I just like them and own 2 of them. I know a little about them, not much.

The switch by the Bigsby is a standby switch, to turn the guitar off between sets. I have no idea why they used a 3 position switch instead of a 2 position one. One of the other switches is, as you wrote, a pickup selector switch. Front, rear or both. The other switch is as far as I can tell a tone switch. I cannot tell any difference in tone between the outer 2 positions, but the middle one does make a difference. Again, I don't understand why they used a 3 position switch for this.

There are 2 volume controls, one for each pickup, and a master volume. By using the volume controls you can blend the pickups, and then use the master to control the overall volume. That's all I know. Personally I leave all the controls wide open and control things externally.

There is a book about Gretsch guitars that undoubtedly has all the information about which guitars have which features and which switches and knobs do what. I've seen the book, but all I did was look at all the pretty pictures and drool.

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