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Could "Remington Ride" have anything to do with it?

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"Ride" sounds better than "Remington's Solo".

[This message was edited by Randy Pettit on 08 January 2004 at 02:47 PM.]

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I think it's better to have someone say to me,
Go take a break. vs Go take a ride.

I believe ride in the jazz ideum refers to riding over the changes sort of like floating.
This is pre bop, and is no longer used in jazz to my knowledge, other than historically.

"Let's take it at the blowing section."

My guess is that this comes from a sax or horn player traditionally taking the solo.

[This message was edited by Nate LaPointe on 09 January 2004 at 12:32 AM.]

So it must be out of the New Orleans, Kansas City or St Louis scenes.

Vamp is common. Basically just playing a root or five chord, or a small pattern till the soloist or head starts.
Get in the groove and wait.
Or playing a groove after or between melodic sections, but without a defined melody or solo on top.

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 09 January 2004 at 02:28 AM.]

Another term that I've been hearing used more and more frequently by some of the younger country-music singers is asking me to play an "instrumental" during their song......I've been tempted to do just that and play a rousing chorus of steel-guitar rag right in the middle of thier song but so far I have resisted the temptation!

Winnie mentions a "Memphis Vamp" in his little record that came with his PSG book of 1976-77 time frame. When did you first hear the term? (Believe it or not I still have mine and it still plays...)

Best regards...

[This message was edited by Ray Minich on 09 January 2004 at 09:05 AM.]

As in the U.K., "ride" certainly has other meanings. A rider is a sexual partner. The old song is not really about a woman named C. C. Rider. The words are really "See, see, [my] rider. See what you have done." Come to think of it, isn't taking a musical ride second only to sex in terms of a natural high?

The potty-mouth in Hip-Hop is nothing new. The tradition of earthy language goes back to the early blues and jazz and beyond. The term "jazz" meant sex. Likewise, the term "rock'n'roll." And "jelly-roll" did not refer to the pastry confection, and "I got the dead shrimp blues...somebody been fishin' in my pond" had nothing to do with fishing for crustaceans, although the meaning is totaly crusty. I could go on and on. A "vamp" was a "ho." But I think the musical term just came from the sound made by closely blocked chords played by early jazz guitarists. You know, "vmp, vmp, vmp, vmp." That would be onomatopoea, right (this has nothing to do with masturbation, and means a word that resembles the sound it describes)? African American culture has always had a more open and honest approach to sex than puritanical white American culture, and this was especially true in the Victorian era, when whites put fabric covers on piano "legs." And since black culture was suppressed so harshly, blacks in America developed lots of very colorful slang with hidden or double meanings, although you usually don't have to think too hard to discern the meaning. I love it, but then, I ain't no puritan.

[This message was edited by David Doggett on 09 January 2004 at 09:45 AM.]

"David, jazz players use it all the time.
I should know... I ARE one. Or, at least, I'm aspiring to BE one... you've never really arrived... you're always studying.

When you're improvising it's like taking a ride. You don't really know where you're going, and you're not always driving... the music takes you where it will. Get in the groove and see what happens... that's the beauty of jazz."

Yes, I think it could be regional. The first time I ever heard the term was from a friend in high school who had just moved to NC from Fort Worth. He was a rock bass player, but had played many dance jobs with his Dad, who was a classically-trained college music prof. (My friend went on to be principal F horn in the Monte Carlo Philharmonic, David... and when I last heard was getting a Ph.D. in conducting from FSU.) At any rate, that term was widely used among sophisticated jazz or "dance" bands in Texas during the early 70's. Here in Raleigh, NC we use the terms "ride" "break" "chorus" and "solo" interchangeably. Actually, we just say, "play one" or "take it"- there ain't time for anything else when you're flying through "How High The Moon" at "Les Paul" speed!

Rick

[This message was edited by Rick McDuffie on 09 January 2004 at 11:29 AM.]

The french jazzers just say "tu prendre un chorus" you take a chorus.
Which confused me for awhile. I thought they meant I should solo on the B section.

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OK, but while we're at it, what's a "piano-picker"? as in: "He sure picks good pianer"

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An arrangement where you stop used to be called a break.

eg; single break .. double break.

Evolution ... remember when "Bimbo" used to be a little boy?