Regardless of the negative feelings toward him, he did his time in the musical trenches before he became a "star".

She had a set of pipes to die for, and knew how to, and was willing to, make them WORK for her.

Any of the stars listed above had their style for then,
but how many of them couln't have the talent to use their strengths in relation to ever market they were raised into.

Buck Ownes was right for then, but who's to say he wouldn't be a different version of Buck today. He had the talent.

A perefect case in point is Dolly.
She is working on her 3rd or 4th career run.

She sure don't look the same as when she was with Porter, nor does she sing the same as then or the 9 to 5 period.

But guess what, she still has a career and is putting out some of the BEST music she ever has.

Sure it's not Shania's same ballpark, but she ain't forgotten either. Plus she is doing what she wants, at a top level.

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 09 March 2004 at 09:41 AM.]

An example?

Who of the young and cool generation has ever heard or listened voluntarily to Frank Sinatra? All of a sudden the pop generation's icon Robbie Williams comes along, puts out an album with old Sinatra standards and records the old duet "Something Stupid" with Nicole Kidman. Definitely not the No. 1 song for the average young music consumer, and what happens? This turns out to be THE hit, they airplay it to death, sell millions and millions, it's played at clubbings, discos etc. And, be honest, what did they do with the song - nothing! It's a perfect copy of the original Frank/Nancy Sinatra version, absolutely not sensational, but people who would have rather died than listen to Frank Sinatra a few years ago are now totally enthusiastic about this song and this style of music (but only until the next trend comes along!).

Another example would be Madonna's awful version of "American Pie". Same story...

Let's face it: It's the executives of the major labels who decide about new trends, upcoming superstars and major hits.

Would Patsy make it today? With talent only, I don't think so. If she would fit into some company's plan, yes.

Kind Regards, Walter
www.austriansteelguitar.at.tf

From what I heard in that area she had plenty of fans that liked her boobs AND belly button.

There were a lot of things going on in that area around that time. She had her gimmicks.

Mostly Determination.

( And boobs of course...)

Tony Bennett who has a new lease on life and hasn't changed in general. He was relatively a contemopary of Sinatra.

And Shirely Bassey who had a techno hit a few years backas a guest in another act, and is stll in some form of rotation.

Sinatra still gets put in a lot of movies and TV sound tracks and is still selling. His music was all throught the Mel Gibson movie the man who loved women".

All it takes is a colaboration with a new act in some sort of novelty tracjks and then a follow up some what in the same vien.

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Livin' in the Past and the Future with a 12 string Mooney Universal tuning.

Hmmm, maybe if she dyed her hair purple, pierced her nose, tongue, belly, eyebrow, tattooed her stomach and back, showed lots of skin, had a boob job and other plastic surgery. Oh, and wore a floppy cowboy hat.

:>)

cheers,
Drew

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The Saltines

If you have quality AND will play the game you can make it.

There are plenty who will play the game and invent new ones too, but they ain't got the talent.

But still even some of them make it because they are well packaged.

I don't mind one way or another about her personal decisions, and I wasn't judging her for that... the reason I mentioned it was that the question of physical attractiveness as a necessary ingredient for success was a major theme above...

I do think she can sing, and whatever my taste may be, that's clear... all I meant by the mugshot thing was that she looked pretty ragged without a couple of hours of hair and makeup on her; so clearly there are people who aren't Cosmo cover girls making it in the business now. That's all I was trying to get at.