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Wayne Carver Member From: Martinez, Georgia, USA |
posted 20 November 2004 09:23 AM
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I really enjoy his cd "Three Days". Amg.com gives this and his latest cd four out of five stars. I've been listening to him more than Robbie Fulks lately. |
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Gary Carriger Member From: Corpus Christi, Texas, USA |
posted 20 November 2004 07:41 PM
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The name Pat Green seems to have stirred up some feelings in the "live music" thread by Mark M. And I read the ramblings by Robbie Fulks (Robbie who?). I've been playing traditional C&W around So Tx for while, but will go on record as saying I like and respect Pat and his music (didn't say I like all his stuff...but neither do I like everything that Haggard, Jones, Strait or Jackson put out). I agree with Glenn Suchan about Pat's success - as well as all of the other "new" Tx artists. From the traditional guys to the new country....they are playing what they want and what they feel. And they are doing it (with success) their way. May be "middle brow" to some...but smacks of money to me. I love traditional C&W as well as anyone, but if you live in Tx and you aren't playing some of these guy's material, your crowd is dwindling. Gary |
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Mark Metdker Member From: North Central Texas, USA |
posted 20 November 2004 09:38 PM
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Hi Gary. Hope all is well on the coast. Still hope to see you sometime this next summer. Yeah, the Pat Green thing is a phenomenon in my book. I agree with you Gary, I respect the guy for getting where he is, and being able to put his music in front of so many people. He will sell out every where he plays in Texas. I personally do not own any of his CD's, but LOTS of other folks do here. Our band does the same type thing as Pat. Some traditional country some not so traditional country, some rock, some blues...hey, it's Texas....it's all good down here. Personally, I would much rather hear Radney Foster than Pat Green. Great writer, great band, great guy. In fact, I think Pat has cut a couple of Radney's tunes. I'll tell you this. I wish we were one of Pat's best friends and could get on stage at all these places he plays. We would get our music in front of MANY people. Oh well, maybe some day. I say, God Bless Him....he's living the dream. ------------------ Band Pics My other hobby Work Pics |
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Chris Schlotzhauer Member From: Colleyville, Tx. USA |
posted 21 November 2004 08:19 AM
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I played with Pat when he first started, and he couldn't even play his own songs. Then fast forward a couple of years and he improved tremendously. I then worked with him for about a year. His success at marketing, merchandise, promotion and his booking and management team were setting the pattern of all others to follow Pat (Cory Morrow, Roger Cregar, Kevin Fowler), I could list 50 more. Actually, Jack Ingrham started the "frat country" scene in Dallas before Pat took it and ran with it. Jack was drawing huge crowds of college kids who wanted to drink beer and sing Redneck Mother. Hell, that's how I got into country music period, in the early 70's. So Pat's timing was perfect, and he's parlayed that into his drawing power today. I worked with Pat when he was only drawing 5-10 thousand fans. I'm sure I would be playing with him today had I accepted the full-time offer. Pat is very loyal and still has the same band members, except a couple of additions. Being the country snob I am led me to choose a more traditional path. I really love playing in front of huge crowds, and I still do on occasion, but not every night. I read the other thread about Big & Rich. I've only heard one of their songs, but I'm going to check 'em out. There is a lot critiscism about their style and that alinates a great player like James Penebaker who made a career descision to work with a hot act. I didn't respond over there, but I let this opportunity go and totally mis calculated how big Pat would get or for how long. Wish I had that one back. Hey, but I still get to play Crazy Arms for a dozen dancers |
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Herb Steiner Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX |
posted 21 November 2004 08:50 AM
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quote: I agree. This is the music of the young Texas music fan, much more than traditional country. Johnny Bush plays occasional concerts with Pat Green, Cross Canadian Ragweed, and others. He's usually second artist on the bill and is treated with honor and respect by the headliners and the crowd as a TX music icon, which he should be. We do tailor the show material to the up-tempo numbers, and Johnny's hits medleys (e.g. Green Snakes, Whiskey River, What A Way To Live). Additionally, we'll do "Uno Mas Cerveza," "Leave My Momma Out of This," "How Can I Kiss The Lips At Night," and other tunes that a backwards-ballcap kid might relate to. This strategy is called "keeping contemporary and keeping your career going." At on time Johnny resisted this and felt antagonistic about the success of the New TX guys for awhile, But when he got to know some of these boys and realized how much they idolized him personally,... and yes, saw their crowds,... he got on the bandwagon. John's new album, Honky Tonic, has duets with Cooder Graw, Kevin Fowler, Willie Nelson, Stephanie Urbina Jones, and Tommy Alverson. It's been getting great reviews, airplay (?!?!), and is the best received Bush album in a long time. When the crowd is milling around the front of the bandstand, and beautiful babes... and I mean good-looking babes... are chanting "Johnny F...in' Bush, Johnny F...in' Bush" when we're coming onstage...well, there's a certain, um, enjoyment in that. Knowhutahmean,Vern? ------------------ [This message was edited by Herb Steiner on 21 November 2004 at 08:55 AM.] |
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Mark Metdker Member From: North Central Texas, USA |
posted 21 November 2004 01:37 PM
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Hey Chris and Herb. I would pay 10 times the cost of a Pat Greent ticket to see The Derailers, and/or Johnny Bush perform anytime. Both of your bands should be selling out American Airlines arena here in Dallas IMHO. Unfortunatley, that probably won't happen UNLESS you're playing with Pat. Johnny turning his attitude around on the contemporary Texas scene is genius. I can promise you, everyone in Texas music knows and damn near worships Johnny Bush. I'm talking about all these new, young acts. And anytime he can parlay that into performing in some of these big shows, is a good thing. It's a good thing for Johnny, and it's a good thing for all these young people to hear one of the greatest Honky Tonk singers in history. And yes, I am very proud of the great James Pennebaker. That dude has played every honky tonk in Texas and half the United States. He has also played with lots of big Nashville acts. He has caught on with some shooting stars. I hope he enjoys the ride. He has earned it. Yep Chris, timing is everything. You used to play with Pat Green and your drummer Scott quit the Dixie Chicks just before they hit. And I'm currently with a guy that keeps telling us how big we are gonna be!  Hey, if it continues to be fun, then I'll continue to play. If we make the big bucks, then great. If not, I'll just let the fire department keep paying my bills.Lots of bitching going on around here sometimes. Maybe us Texans think a little differently about this contemporary music stuff. |
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Wayne Carver Member From: Martinez, Georgia, USA |
posted 21 November 2004 04:25 PM
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I like the Traditional artist like Don Edwards & Don Walser but I also like the Singer songwriter types like Butch Hancock. I haven't given up on the newer artist either such as Jack Ingram & Deryl Dodd. Here's a link to some Texas music: http://cd-tex.com/ |
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Rick McDuffie Member From: Smithfield, North Carolina, USA |
posted 21 November 2004 06:24 PM
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My 24-year-old daughter Sarah lives in Dallas (literally within sight of the American Airlines Center) and absolutely loves Pat Green. So do all of her friends, one of whom was his college roommate. I gotta admire the boy. [This message was edited by Rick McDuffie on 21 November 2004 at 06:26 PM.] |
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Bart Maloney Member From: Houston, Texas (from Tomball, TX) |
posted 21 November 2004 07:09 PM
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Check out Live at Billy Bobs. It's my favorite Pat Green cd. ------------------ |
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Herb Steiner Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX |
posted 21 November 2004 07:40 PM
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quote: I know I do. I don't own any Pat Green records, but I can listen to a full show, and personally he's a pretty darn neat guy to have a beer with. And his music is a lot less country than Garth Brooks, whom I also thought was pretty darn good and certainly not the Great Satan so many guys around these parts (i.e. Forumland) seem to think he is. Both Pat and Garth know what the people want, they know how to get the goods to the people, their product is good, and they have been and are being rewarded for it. My good friend and long-time colleague Justin Trevino vehemently disagrees with me, as is his right. He hates the new sh!t, doesn't want to even be on the shows. We both play very traditional country music, but I'm willing to play "outside the rules" if called for. Justin admits that his purism will cost him professionally, and is comfortable with that. Blessed are the believers. ------------------ |
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Mark Metdker Member From: North Central Texas, USA |
posted 22 November 2004 05:54 AM
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Well, the band I am in right now would be a good fit at a Pat Green show. Except we probably rock HARDER than Pat's band. We do a few traditional country tunes, but most of our stuff is kinda rock/pop with a little country sound thrown in. The stuff most of the forumites here would hate. But the crowds love us. We have accomplished a LOT in only 6 months. The guy I play for: www.jonchristopherdavis.com has a killer voice and stage presence. And, if you look at his credentials, is an accomplished songwriter too. I'm done talking about how bad popular bands are. After thinking about it, I wouldn't mind playing in a "popular" band. Is that bad? |
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Rick McDuffie Member From: Smithfield, North Carolina, USA |
posted 22 November 2004 09:11 AM
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No, Mark, it's not bad. A lot of folks are envious of success, and not just in the music community. Don't let 'em steal your fire. |
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James Pennebaker Member From: Mt. Juliet, TN |
posted 22 November 2004 10:39 AM
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I'm really hesitant to post on these types of threads anymore as I have gotten a little riled up before and said some things I shouldn't have and very much regret. I guess I'm a little too thin skinned. Anyway, I can certainly understand both sides of the fence as I've been on both of them. There are all kinds of music getting mixed together these days. I recently read about this years Shiner "Bocktoberfest" down in Texas where Asleep At The Wheel, Cory Morrow and Lyle Lovett were on the same bill with acts like Stained (I have never even heard of them but understand they are a metal band)and Kid Rock. But Texas has always mixed things up. Texas has always been a world of it's own but the mix it up trend seems is speading way beyond there. I am not surprised at Herb Steiner's willingness to play outside the box so to speak. After all, he was at the forefront during the early 70's when rednecks, hippie's, honky tonkers and rockers together all spawned the "progressive country" movement which ended up becoming "mainstream" in a big way with the eventual release of "Wanted, The Outlaws" album by Waylon, Willie and the bunch. I believe that album still holds some kind of record for sales by a "country" album to this day and it was quite controversial in it's time. The "Garth era," or the Country Music Boom of the mid 90's, has been gone now for almost 10 years. I think a lot of the young listeners today are not even the people that were into Garth. They're a new generation and were not even teenagers when Garth or any of the other artist of that time hit. They were too young then and don't even know anything about that time period. They instead grew up to something else. What, I'm not sure but it obviously is affecting the stuff that's getting put out today. As a professional musician, I think if you want to work, continue to pay your mortgage and such, you need to be able to bend a little, try to have an open mind and stay up on the current trends. You don't have to like them necessarily but at least try to appreciate them if you can and try to understand where the fans are coming from who do. I know we have all played jobs where we had to bite our toungue and play stuff we don't like. I have nothing but respect for someone who feels strongly enough to NOT play a certain style of music because they don't like it or have some other reason not to play it. Unfortunately, it seems that many with such strong opinions are very quick to jump on those who don't see it like they do. And I understand that. I've been involved in all kinds of music. Country and otherwise and had the good fortune of playing all styles from Honky Tonk, Western Swing with some of the original Playboys (some of whom are gone now) to "Texas" artists like Jimmie Dale Gilmore and Butch Hancock to Nashville mainstream acts. I think there should be room for all of it. JP [This message was edited by James Pennebaker on 22 November 2004 at 10:45 AM.] [This message was edited by James Pennebaker on 22 November 2004 at 10:57 AM.] |
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erik Member From: |
posted 25 November 2004 05:46 AM
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I've only heard one song by this artist, and frankly, I don't get it. I would assume that the majority of fans who latch on to a happening are the same ones who talk about the latest movie coming out. It's entertainment for the masses. I wouldn't fault any professional musician who would like to make a good living and play to large appreciative crowds even if they can't put into words why they like what they're listening to. |
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