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Dan Sawyer
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From: Studio City, California, USA

posted 02 December 2004 11:18 AM     profile     
Jussi, that's a great list you put together. By the way, in interviews, Chet Atkins said that the D'Angelico was his favorite guitar. He admitted to using it on a lot of his records, even the ones that showed a Gretsch.
Dan Sawyer
Member

From: Studio City, California, USA

posted 02 December 2004 03:29 PM     profile     
Two more things. Frank Reckard played with Emmylou Harris for many years. He used a Gibson Les Paul Special with a B-bender. It sounded great.

Also, a big part of the Nashville Tele sound is using a compressor.

D Schubert
Member

From: Columbia, MO, USA

posted 02 December 2004 05:11 PM     profile     
Alvin B, that's exactly right -- only you said it much better. My Teles all have 21 frets. The 24th fret was a reference to the approx location of the neck pickup, if it were there.

As I said, I did not believe the "hype" about Esquire sustain & twang until I removed the neck pickup, and tried it for myself. With classic Esquire wiring, the pickup selector switch gives you semi-mud on the left, Tele-bridge with a functional tone control in the middle, and Katy-bar-the-door on the right.

Tim Harr
Member

From: East Peoria, Illinois

posted 02 December 2004 05:17 PM     profile     
I am a country picker and this is what I use:

Fender Telecaster B Bender
- Maple Neck
-.009 - .052
-Scruggs tuner on Low E
-S. Duncan PUs (Nashville Studio Brent Masons)

EFX:
MXR Dyna Comp Compressor
sometime some delay
Goodrich Volume Pedal

AMPS: Twin Reverb, Webb 6-14E, or Nashville 400

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Tim Harr
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From: East Peoria, Illinois

posted 02 December 2004 05:18 PM     profile     
Weh Frank Reckard played in the Hot Band he used a Gibson LP Junior, It had a 3/4 size neck and a B bender.

He 'honked' !!!!

Jim Phelps
Member

From: just out of Mexico City

posted 02 December 2004 05:30 PM     profile     
I had a '58 Les Paul Junior, and it had the same scale as any other Les Paul, 24-3/4 inches. Maybe that one had a custom neck?

Jussi's list is very interesting, but I don't believe it is completely objective despite he says "Seems like no brand over the other....", since it's clear that in this list, Gibson and Gretsch prevail, and I'm sure that was the case in the '50's when solidbody guitars were new and considered by most as newfangled planks with strings, despite a few high-profile players using them such as Joe Maphis and Les Paul.

Personally, I love the older Gibson and Gretsch guitars, that's what I started on, but I believe Billy's question is asking what IS the best guitar for country music, not what WAS the most popular guitar for country in the '50's. Country music isn't quite the same as it was in the '50's, not even in bands claiming to play the "traditional" country music....one big difference is the volume bands play today. In the '50's, ampls with 25 watts RMS were considered quite high-powered. Playing a big-bodied Gibson or Gretsch with modern bands using amps with 100+ watts presents a whole different scenerio than the 10-25 watt amps of the '50's, namely, serious feedback, and I know of what I speak, having played a '69 Gibson Super 400CES through a Fender Twin and Super Six Reverb for some years. You wanna talk feedback, try playing a Super 400 while standing a couple feet in front of a 100 watt all-tube Fender blasting through 6 10-inch speakers! This is one reason why the Tele (and other solid bodies) are more popular than full-size hollowbodies, these days. The hollowbodies can be played, if a player really wants to take the time to learn how to place his amp, keep his right-hand palm ready to damp the low strings on the bridge, etc. I think most players likely find it easier to just play a solid body than control the feedback tendencies of the hollowbodies.

We have to also mention the dreaded "S"-word, that "best" is subjective. Any objective person must admit that most people in the last 20-30 years consider the Tele as THE country and country/rock axe, but for SOME, it may be a Gretsch, Gibson, Guild, Microfrets, or whathaveyou.

Experienced guitarists know which kind of guitar turns them on in different situations, and whatever guitar that is, is the best for that player.

If a guitarist doesn't have enough experience onstage with different types of guitars to know what guitar is best for him, specifically in country music, the Tele is the most likely candidate, but as things go, that doesn't mean that player may not end up finding that his ideal country guitar is a Gibson Super400CES (I played my '69 several years and would give my right arm to have it back) or something else totally un-Tele-like.

Bottom line, IMHO, is that the best guitar is whatever guitar really just turns on the player. That's how I know I'm playing the right guitar for the music/style, for me; when the sound inspires me to play. The wrong guitar for me, is the one that doesn't turn me on, or inspire me to play and I have to think of what to play. When I'm playing the right guitar, I don't have to think of what to play, I just play automatically. Forget about trying to play the guitar with the sound the audience will prefer, 99% of them can't tell the difference between an L-5 and a Tele. Play whatever turns YOU on.

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 02 December 2004 at 09:53 PM.]

Jussi Huhtakangas
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From: Helsinki, Finland

posted 02 December 2004 11:37 PM     profile     
Larry, Jim & others: I was purely just refering to the guitars these guys used on the rockabilly recordings, which in Chet's case was Gretsch, like say, on Janis Martin sessions. I know these pro sessions guys had many guitars and lot of times you don't really know what exactly they were using. By the time Chet was doing r'n'r sessions, his D'Angelico had suffered an injury and John D'Angelico converted it back to acoustic. Hank Garland favored his Gibsons on these sessions, but occasionally used other brands too to get the sound he wanted; he's playing a Jazzmaster on Elvis' Little Sister.
And Tony P, thanks for your email regarding Mickey Baker, you made my day!!

[This message was edited by Jussi Huhtakangas on 03 December 2004 at 12:11 AM.]

Stephen Gambrell
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From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA

posted 03 December 2004 04:48 AM     profile     
"And the proof that the Tele is the #1 guitar is this:
Kenny Chesney is regularly seen with a Les Paul on stage and in his video's.."

And Marilyn Manson's lead guitar player has a Tele NAMED for him---so what's your point, Tony???????

Scott Henderson
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From: Eldon, Missouri, USA

posted 03 December 2004 01:32 PM     profile     
THE ONE IN BRENT MASON'S HANDS

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Steelin' away in the ozarks and life,
Scott
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Tony Prior
Member

From: Charlotte NC

posted 03 December 2004 01:44 PM     profile     
Is Marilyn Manson a Steel Player too ?

Possibly a Steel Player in drag ?

It's a good thing the Steel only faces forward..

t

[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 03 December 2004 at 07:16 PM.]

Dan Sawyer
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From: Studio City, California, USA

posted 03 December 2004 02:35 PM     profile     
JIm Phelps, in case you're interested, Microfrets is back in business! http://www.micro-frets.com/index.asp
Jim Phelps
Member

From: just out of Mexico City

posted 03 December 2004 02:53 PM     profile     
Well I'll be darned! Thanks Dan, I didn't know that. How cool is this:

Toby Rider
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From: Fort Worth, Texas, USA

posted 04 December 2004 10:28 AM     profile     
I play both kinds of country guitars:

Fender Telecasters & Gretsch 6120's.

Tay Joslin
Member

From: Memphis, Tennessee (formerly of Newbern, TN)

posted 14 December 2004 07:09 PM     profile     
Briefly stated: Whatever worked for Don Rich is perfect for everybody else. Telecasters are king of the hill in Nashville! Well, at least they used to be, right up until that awful "Murder on Music Row". Did that guy ever get the death penalty? I hear he's a friend of Kenny Chesney and Uncle Kracker. Enough said.
Drew Howard
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From: Mason, MI, U.S.A.

posted 15 December 2004 05:14 AM     profile     
My '95 Tele w/humbucker and Bigsby B-5.

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Tony Trout
Member

From: Murphy, North Carolina, USA

posted 15 December 2004 07:58 AM     profile     
I'm currently playing a reissue paisley rele with a SteelBender B/G bender (installed by Bill Bores in Houston, Texas) with Scruggs tuners on both "E" string (I'm a big Clarence White fan!) and I'm playing through a '65 DRRI amp and that seems to work for me just fine.

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Terry Edwards
Member

From: Layton, UT

posted 15 December 2004 08:53 AM     profile     
quote:
Which guitar with what set up (electric) do you think is the best all around guitar for country, new and old and Rockabilly too?

Country is in the hands. Not in the guitar.


Terry

Jim Phelps
Member

From: just out of Mexico City

posted 15 December 2004 11:16 AM     profile     
I agree, Terry, it's the player more than the guitar, however...

When a player finds the guitar that really resonates with his or her style and "sound they hear in their head", it does something. I'm sure that Danny Gatton, Roy Buchanan, Roy Nichols, Don Rich or any other Tele monsters could have played anything they could play on any guitar, but would they have played the same way on an L-5 or Les Paul? I don't think so. There are some players who play their unique style on anything, but there are also many players who play differently on different guitars. I'm one of the latter. Different guitars with their different responses bring out different things in me, and many other players, according to the tones and responses of each unique instrument.

It doesn't matter what kind of guitar you play, what matters is that it's the one that resonates with the players' sound in his head and brings out what's inside the player, then he'll be at his best.

Leslie Ehrlich
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From: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada

posted 15 December 2004 02:49 PM     profile     
If we're talking appearance more than sound, I'd have to say that a Fender Tele Thinline with single coil pickups and a Bigsby vibrato looks the most 'country'. If I played in a country band and wanted to look like a cowboy I'd be playing a Tele Thinline with a Bigsby.
Tony Prior
Member

From: Charlotte NC

posted 16 December 2004 02:38 AM     profile     
YES and NO..of course accomplished guitar players can play pretty much on any guitar that is handed to them..but can they play in the same style ? probably not exactly the same..and thats partially because the guitars are not the same..they are physically and tonally different. They also weigh different amounts and players may have to adjust..lots of things going on..

This is why Guitar players have a Guitar of CHOICE..not necesssarily because one is better.. that is not the issue..
The Tele' pickup and saddle design makes for a very comfortable/consistent right hand position for playing in a specific style as opposed to the semi hollow body guitars with the tailpieces.

Overall final tone is also a desirable consideration, this is personal choice,not because one is better than another. Round Wound bright snap from a Tele is dominant..It's what the slab bodied, screwed on neck, simple angled PUP close to the saddles does.

If one really likes the kind of tone and characteristics of a particular style which is perhaps played on a Tele..why would you go out and get a 335 and try to simulate that style on a 335 ?

Lots of if's going on..If Roy Nichols, If Don Rich , If James Burton, If Brad Paisley, If Brent Mason, If If If.. point is ..they didn't..and don't..the only real IF is IF you like that style and Tone characteristics..then play it on Tele.. IF you really like Duane Allman then do it on a Les Paul..IF you really like BB King do it on a 335 style with the HBuckers..

I don't see this as any sort of which is better or worse..it's more of a choice of what works for you and what it is you are trying to accomplish..

I love my Tele's , but I play different on the Strats, and a whole lot different on the 335..I hear different music when I pick up different axes..

Now if I could just get them all in tune at the same time...

t

[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 16 December 2004 at 02:41 AM.]

[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 16 December 2004 at 02:43 AM.]

[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 17 December 2004 at 02:47 PM.]

Rick McDuffie
Member

From: Smithfield, North Carolina, USA

posted 23 December 2004 08:20 PM     profile     
The Telecaster is a very versatile guitar. I love 'em for country music.

On a slightly different "note", I've been playing a lot of jazz on the Les Paul Deluxe recently. This stems from the fact that I've been having feedback troubles on my hollow-body jazz guitars. That neck-position mini-humbucker just sounds great, and it's good to be reminded that these guitars were not originally designed to be played through a wall of Marshalls. It's a darn good jazz guitar in the right hands, and will do the job. I miss the hollow-body warmth- but not the feedback!

Jim Phelps
Member

From: just out of Mexico City

posted 24 December 2004 11:36 AM     profile     
I had a Les Paul Deluxe, bought it in '75, one of the best-sounding newer Les Pauls I ever had, really a versatile axe, I wish I'd kept it. I love the mini-humbuckers, never had a bad-sounding guitar with those p.u.'s.
Rick McDuffie
Member

From: Smithfield, North Carolina, USA

posted 25 December 2004 04:21 PM     profile     
I agree, Jim- those mini's are beautiful pickups.

I copped a gorgeous blonde flamed/birdseye Epiphone Sheraton in trade yesterday. This one says "Kalamazoo, Michigan" on the label, but it may be one of the Norlin-era, Japan-made guitars. I put some flats on it this afternoon, and it plays and sounds like a dream! I may have found the perfect guitar to solve my problem.

I fully agree with the poster above who said that country is in the hands, not the axe. Didn't Reggie Young play a Strat on all those hits in the 70's and 80's- or is that my misunderstanding?

[This message was edited by Rick McDuffie on 25 December 2004 at 08:42 PM.]

Tony Prior
Member

From: Charlotte NC

posted 26 December 2004 01:48 AM     profile     
Reggie Young on the Strats in the 70's and 80's.. uuhhmmm....

Keep in mind that was the era for Strat-O-ad nauseam. Every producer on the planet wanted the Strat tones on the recordings. Session musicians did not and do not play what they want..they play in the style and tone structure of the man with the checkbook..

I did a session one time in NYC..early 80's..I went to do a very small Steel part..then they asked if I would do a small Electric part..

I only had a Tele' with me..they wanted a Strat out of phase sound..we recorded with the Tele'..a few days later they recorded the guitar track again with a NYC player who had a ..guess what.. A Strat..

Where are the Strats on the HOT chart Records today ? It seems most of the producers want the other guitar that Leo built..you know, the first one...

Happy almost New Year..

t

David Mason
Member

From: Cambridge, MD, USA

posted 26 December 2004 02:07 AM     profile     
I have a feeling that modern equalization techniques and three-pickup Teles and coil-tapped humbuckers kind of screw up the whole "classic tones" argument. Strats are famous for being able to occupy a similar sonic spectrum to a Gibson by using the middle and bridge pickup combo, but listen to Brad Paisley's tone on a Tele - it sounds to me much more like a big "rock" tone than a classic Tele twang. That's what God made all those knobs for, after all.
Steve Hinson
Member

From: Hendersonville Tn USA

posted 26 December 2004 04:19 AM     profile     
Reggie Young has a Strat...I've seen pictures of him playing it...but the bulk of his recorded work was probably done on his old black Telecaster...which has a Strat pickup in the middle position.That's the only guitar I've ever actually seen him use(on sessions)and he told me it was his main guitar and that he had been using it since the late'60's/early'70's.This guitar is on"Drift Away"(Dobie Gray)...on the choruses...Reggie used a Les Paul Deluxe on that famous intro...
Rick McDuffie
Member

From: Smithfield, North Carolina, USA

posted 26 December 2004 08:56 AM     profile     
"I have a feeling that modern equalization techniques and three-pickup Teles and coil-tapped humbuckers kind of screw up the whole "classic tones" argument."

Right, doesn't Brent M. have a Gibson humbucker on his Tele? And the other pickups aren't Fender items either, are they? So what's left that makes it distinctively a Telecaster? The bolt-on neck and bridge? There's obviously more to Brent's (and Reggie's) sound than what's written on the guitar headstock. I'll bet Brent and Reggie could pick up my LP Deluxe and they would still sound like Brent and Reggie.

I just sold a USA James Burton Telecaster on Christmas Eve- 3 Lace Sensors and a five position switch. Is that really a Telecaster? I'm not sure.

Dan Sawyer
Member

From: Studio City, California, USA

posted 26 December 2004 02:11 PM     profile     
Rick McDuffie, Leon Rhodes played an Epiphone Sheraton (w mini-hums) for many years with Ernest Tubb.
John McGann
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From: Boston, Massachusetts, USA

posted 26 December 2004 02:23 PM     profile     
Danny Gatton played a black Les Paul with Buddy in '79.

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Tony Prior
Member

From: Charlotte NC

posted 26 December 2004 02:38 PM     profile     
Most of the top players are using Barden PUPS on there Tele's..I believe Brent does as well.. but that does not detract from the original Tele tone..there are so many factors involved with Tele PUPS..but when you go to Fralins or Bardens you are adding to the Tele characteristics, not taking away from it. These single coils are wound to perfect specifications..

Stock Fender PUPS are notorious for not being wound consistent,too bright..too middy..not enough lows etc...

Most cats that have the HB'er on the neck of the Tele use it for the ballad/bluesy tunes..NOT the pickin' tunes...

And yes Danny did play other guitars..but he is most recognized as a Tele' slinger..there is even a Tele cut bridge named after him...

I'm not sure what we are trying to do here but it seems we are attempting to take the Tele's out of the hands of the great Tele pickers !

Danny, James, Don, Brad, Brent, etc..Primary guitars of choice are Tele's..we ain't gonna change that..

happy New Tele' Year

t

[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 26 December 2004 at 07:26 PM.]

erik
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From:

posted 26 December 2004 07:11 PM     profile     
quote:
This guitar is on"Drift Away"(Dobie Gray)...on the choruses...Reggie used a Les Paul Deluxe on that famous intro...

and the famous outro?

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....Strat in the 80s ... all the dance/pop records had that funky strat tone (Madonna, etc)

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Rick McDuffie
Member

From: Smithfield, North Carolina, USA

posted 26 December 2004 08:24 PM     profile     
Tony, my friend, I was only making the point that the James Burton "Tele" has as much (or more) in common with the Eric Clapton Strat as with a stock Telecaster. Which begs the question: What constitutes a Telecaster? Is it the distinctive shape of the body and peghead?

It seems to me that you reach a point where these guitars are so heavily customized that they bear little resemblance to the guitar that Mr. Fender designed. In this case, I'm not sure what there is to be defended.

Frank Estes
Member

From: Huntsville, AL

posted 26 December 2004 08:43 PM     profile     
http://www.gibson.com/whatsnew/pressrelease/2003/jul30a.html

What do you guys think of the Gibson Valley Art Brent Mason signature guitar (click above)? Personally, I just gotta have that cool Tele headstock.

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Frank Estes
1978 Emmons D-10 8+7 #2441D
1968 Emmons D-10 8+4 #1234D


Stephen Gambrell
Member

From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA

posted 26 December 2004 09:06 PM     profile     
I didn't realize that Gibson owned Valley Arts now. You think Fender will sue Gibson, ala Gibson's PRS lawsuit?
THE PERFECT COUNTRY GUITAR ONLY KNOWS THREE CHORDS!
Tony Prior
Member

From: Charlotte NC

posted 27 December 2004 03:48 AM     profile     
Stephen..what are the other two chords ?

Frank, yes Gibson jumped on this one..and there is a story behind it I am told..but do look at the photo below..it tells the real story..

Rick..non issue my friend....there is no reason to defend..( hey..kinda rhymes)

It's still a slab body with a bolt on neck with a very close to the saddle angled PUP which will murder you on the high end..regardless of which over the counter PUP you put on the dang thing..

At the end of the day..It's still a Tele...and here we are over 50 years later still trying to figure out why we love these dang things and are still chasing the licks, style and tone of those that had them in there hands for over 5 decades !

and here is the real deal with the real Tele'..and do note the position of the pick up selector..( taken March 2004..3rd and Linley)

pretty amazing stuff..50 years from now I doubt anyone but my daughters/families will even remember I existed !
t

[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 27 December 2004 at 04:05 AM.]

Ian Finlay
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From: Kenton, UK

posted 27 December 2004 04:04 AM     profile     
I'm fortunate enough to have acquired a bunch of Rockabilly oriented stuff over the years - for me (from my collection), the #1 combination is my '52 ES-295, through an Echoplex, into my '57 4x10 Bassman. #2 (very close) is my '55 Duo Jet with a fixed arm Bigsby. It's MUCH better than the moveable arm or none at all - when it was put on the difference was so noticeable it was unbelievable. #3 (and way good for country too) is my Warmoth Tele with 3 Harmonic Designs pickups. I recommend these so highly - they kill the Bardens and everything else I tried stone dead. I have the Vintage 54s, two Tele ones and a Strat one on a push-push switch.

If I could choose any guitar I'd pick a blonde Switchmaster with no Bigsby and Alnico pickups. I have an ES5 (non Switchmaster) which can sound like a Tele, Strat, Super 400 etc. but it misses the switch!

Ian

Dan Sawyer
Member

From: Studio City, California, USA

posted 27 December 2004 01:16 PM     profile     
Ian, why do you think the fixed arm Bigsby is so much better? Could the movable arm be robbing the guitar of tone and sustain?

I like the Harmonic Design pickups too. I've got a vintage plus in the neck position on a tele. But, i think the mini-humbucking like Brent Mason uses is the best neck pickup for a tele. Full size humbucking pickups always sound mushy in a tele.

Jim Phelps
Member

From: just out of Mexico City

posted 27 December 2004 03:46 PM     profile     
quote:
Full size humbucking pickups always sound mushy in a tele.

The original Fender humbucker on my '72 Fender Telecaster Custom (neck humbucker, standard single-coil bridge p.u.) sure doesn't.

Rick McDuffie
Member

From: Smithfield, North Carolina, USA

posted 27 December 2004 06:05 PM     profile     
Thanks for mentioning that, Dan Sawyer. I had heard it from someone, although I didn't notice the guitar back then.

In "American Guitars," Tom Wheeler makes the point that the Sheraton was the fanciest thinline electric Gibson ever built.

Hmmm... Brent's not only got the mini-bucker in there, but also the LP Deluxe trim ring. And check out the thumb pick... that's surely part of his sound, ain't it? Maximum twang. I'd be very interested in getting 'hold of that guitar for a few minutes. Now I may have to put a mini-bucker on my Tele, too! I wonder....

[This message was edited by Rick McDuffie on 27 December 2004 at 07:13 PM.]

Tony Prior
Member

From: Charlotte NC

posted 28 December 2004 04:05 AM     profile     
Is it possible that when Brents Guitar was being "altered" that the mini HB was used for space considerations? I too have a full size HB on one of my Tele's in the neck position, clearly it does NOT sound muddy..but it is loud and it does take up a bunch of space and it took a bunch of trial and error to get it to sit right in the cavity and not be too close to the strings.It is also my understanding that Joe Glaser does all of the work on Brents guitars.Brent also wears fake finger nails on 2 fingers which are part of HIS unique style as well.

here is my MIJ Squire..stripped ..great player but a tad too bright. I have tried a few different bridge PUPS and have just purchased yet another bargain 96' Delta Tone which I'll stick in at some point. One thing is for certain, the neck HB'er is killer on the non twang tunes..

t

[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 31 December 2004 at 01:26 AM.]


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