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Lefty Member From: Grayson, Ga. |
posted 12 December 2004 04:26 PM
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I am a pretty big Shania fan, her talent is obvious. This post may ruffle the feathers of some of her fans. The "Up close and personal" concert left me somewhat unfullfilled. I was hoping for a sitting around the living room playing situation. I also expected to here some Allison Krauss songs (by Shania) and vis-versa. I did not expect the "I am the STAR and you are here to back me up" feeling that I got. The band provided suberb backup, and in my wife's own words Shania should have bent over and kissed each and every band members @#%. (pretty strong words for my wife, also a Shania fan). The music was great, but Shania had an Elvis comeback Video vibe (I am an Elvis fan also). I just feel Allison is every bit as drop dead gorgeous, and talented and was not given due respect. Kind of like Ginger or Mary-Ann. I'll take Mary-Ann. Sorry if I offend anyone. Lefty, Allison (and Shania) fan |
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David L. Donald Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand |
posted 12 December 2004 04:52 PM
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Alison is the super talented girl next door. Shania is decent singing, marketable sexbomb. When it comes to VIDEO.. they think looks, Alison has remained darned trrue to her roots and original vision. Shania has gone straight for the jugular in the business sense. It's a shame, And why isn't Mandy Barnett there too? Because she could [This message was edited by David L. Donald on 12 December 2004 at 04:53 PM.] |
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Lefty Member From: Grayson, Ga. |
posted 12 December 2004 05:14 PM
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Mandy Barnett leaves me breathless, as did Patsey Cline. Sometimes you have to look past the mass marketing media. Lefty [This message was edited by Lefty on 12 December 2004 at 05:14 PM.] |
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Herb Steiner Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX |
posted 12 December 2004 05:32 PM
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quote: Yeah, but once you get Shania under the table, who gives a flick how she sings?! ------------------ |
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David L. Donald Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand |
posted 13 December 2004 03:43 AM
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LOL... Mrs. Steiner's gonna give you a slap boyo!  [This message was edited by David L. Donald on 13 December 2004 at 03:44 AM.] |
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Tony Prior Member From: Charlotte NC |
posted 13 December 2004 04:34 AM
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So Lefty..Allision didn't hand her FIDDLE over to Shania and say.." " Hey, your turn, play US a song "...? Moviong off topic sort of..a short story.. I have a brother in law who dabbled in R+B production in the 70's and 80's.Even had a top 5 hit on the National charts. Each time he is in our home he basically insults the bejeezes out of us for our playing, songs, whatever he can come up with to build himself up. My wife and I stay quiet and professional, and hold our tongues..very hard to do. This year I have a plan if he comes by and starts that stuff again..I'm gonna grab one of the 6 strings, play an old rock tune , maybe even a Merle tune, Bonnie and I will maybe sing an Everly's tune together..then I'm gonna hand over the guitar to you know who in front of everyone present and ask him to play and sing us a tune..lets see what happens.. last year on New Years was the last straw..the end of the line...for him..he just doesn't know it yet... Sorry to hear about the Shania thing I would have been dissappointed too..Allison and the crew are clearly in the same league..maybe not in sales but clearly on the abundance of talent.. t [This message was edited by Tony Prior on 13 December 2004 at 04:43 AM.] |
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Mark Metdker Member From: North Central Texas, USA |
posted 13 December 2004 05:06 AM
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If there was no Mutt Lang, there would be no Shania........or Def Leppard Ms. Kraus doesn't need that kind of help. |
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Ray Minich Member From: Limestone, New York, USA |
posted 13 December 2004 06:31 AM
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Herb, take the slap & enjoy every second of it. Your observations are keen  When I see the latest Shania video one of the old childhood memories comes back... LSMFT |
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Charles French Member From: Ms. |
posted 13 December 2004 07:58 AM
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Shania with Allison? Sounds like somebody put a terd in the punchbowl! |
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Jerry Hayes Member From: Virginia Beach, Va. |
posted 13 December 2004 11:25 AM
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Hey Lefty, I saw that concert too and had the same opinion. What in the hell was happening with Allison and Union Station acting as a backup band for Shania? I love Shania's music as much as anyone but I'd liked to have seen an equal mixing of both women and maybe a duet of Shania and Dan Timinsky or Allison. All in all, it was a good concert but the backup band analagy really says it all....JH ------------------ |
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David L. Donald Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand |
posted 13 December 2004 11:28 AM
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Money talks. One ofthe most powerful acts in country said , come play with me for this show. Most likely managment said it's good exposure. And it sure seems the people with an opinion here, |
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Lefty Member From: Grayson, Ga. |
posted 13 December 2004 03:54 PM
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David, I think you are right. Good exposure. I am surprised that Alison has gotten the exposure she has. Her cross-overs into the country realm did that (Like Ricky Scaggs). You know the old joke about bluegrass musicians making gobs of money. I still think Shania is a great talent, but I think her humble upbringing is fading fast. Lefty |
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Theresa Galbraith Member From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA |
posted 13 December 2004 04:29 PM
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Shania never does anything right. |
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Herb Steiner Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX |
posted 13 December 2004 04:50 PM
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Shania does lots of things right, T-girl. She looks good, sings good, writes pop-styled hits, and makes tons of well-deserved money for her efforts. What she doesn't do right is look like Minnie Pearl, sing like Kitty Wells, and hire aging, overweight, steel players... like myself, for example. For this grievous sin she is to be forever condemned to burn in the flaming pits of hell for eternity, which is a really long time! She will be allowed to bring three of her favorite outfits, however. ------------------ |
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Bill Miller Member From: Gaspé, Québec, Canada |
posted 13 December 2004 06:56 PM
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I'm not a fan of Shania's music because I'm too much of a country purist, but I don't put her down. She does what she does very well and she has a lot more going for her than her looks. She also didn't have success dumped in her lap, she's paid a lot of dues. Anyone who wants to write her off should first find out a bit about her life...what she's been through personally. It'll make you think twice about who the person is behind the glamor. |
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ajm Member From: Los Angeles |
posted 13 December 2004 07:59 PM
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"Money talks. One of the most powerful acts in country said , come play with me for this show." I guess this another way of saying that Allison has sold out? She has sacrificed her musical and artistic ideals to the God of money? If only she would stay unknown and broke, she'd be so much better. ------------------ |
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Herb Steiner Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX |
posted 13 December 2004 08:26 PM
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Bill I agree with you completely, lest anyone misunderstand my previous tongue-in-cheek post. I applaud anyone that legitimately makes a living, let alone a huge success, in the music business, and that includes just about everyone except Milli Vanilli, and I'm serious. It's incredibly difficult to do. And anyone who faults a player for working with an artist who falls short of someone's arbitrary criteria for what is "acceptable" music has never lived in the music trenches with the realization that you work where the money is, even if you don't like the music you're playing onstage. I've seen serious players get slammed here and it always leaves a bad taste in my mouth. ------------------ |
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Lefty Member From: Grayson, Ga. |
posted 14 December 2004 02:24 AM
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Sorry, my purpose was not to bash Shania. She is a wonderful talent and had a tremendous impact on the Country and pop music industry, and paid her dues. I just wanted to express my disappointment in the show. While very good, I think it would have been better spotlighting both talents. As for Alison, I don't think she has sold out at all. When you are at that level I am sure there are pressures and committments that big music industry imposes that you have to deal with. Anyway, it was good exposure for her and all her band members, so what. She's just not a pretty face. Lefty |
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David L. Donald Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand |
posted 14 December 2004 02:32 AM
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Artie, I thought some might take it this way. But I didn't mean that. "Sold out" to me means changing all your basic style for a commercial gain. and not doing your roots music at all anymore because it doesn't sell, I saw Shania on a Superbowl show, it was a topself pro act. I came back into country music through bluegrass, and so Alison is high on my list. I have no issues at all about doing a music working commercial gig, changing styles to play others, If you can get enough exposure to eat well and raise a family doing the art form; GREAT! If an occasional foray into a working gig thing helps that aim go for it. If being seen on TV backing Shania, [This message was edited by David L. Donald on 14 December 2004 at 04:52 AM.] |
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W Franco Member From: silverdale,WA. USA |
posted 14 December 2004 10:32 AM
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I've been waiting for some comments on this. For most of the concert I was in a very special place watching Shania. Damm, she is georgous. I'm not sure that was a great combination for Allison. I found myself feeling bad for Allison than going back into,well you know. But ya know, when Shania did that thing with all the music Divas the same thing happened and there were some good lookin gals up there. It just wasn't quiet as bad as this. This was more like the princess and the frog. To me Shania is in a class by her self looks wise. I thought it would have been better for her to treat the other members on stage nicer. The dobro player really cooked, she should have walked over and at least gave him a little peck on the cheek. I just could't think about that very long. [This message was edited by W Franco on 14 December 2004 at 10:47 AM.] [This message was edited by W Franco on 14 December 2004 at 11:22 AM.] |
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Charles French Member From: Ms. |
posted 14 December 2004 11:37 AM
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To each his own. Allison oozes sex appeal,whereas Shania looks like another lipstick, powder & paint. But then I have always preferred the country to the city. |
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Terry Edwards Member From: Layton, UT |
posted 14 December 2004 12:04 PM
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Shania is an awesome singer/songwriter. Allison is an awesome singer/musician. Where's the problem? Terry |
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Charles French Member From: Ms. |
posted 14 December 2004 01:23 PM
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Misplaced superlatives |
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Frank Estes Member From: Huntsville, AL |
posted 14 December 2004 03:20 PM
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I like Shania. I think she fails to get the respect from some because of her looks. The thing that really impressed me was how Jerry Douglas copped all those Paul steel licks on dobro! WOW! ------------------ |
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W Franco Member From: silverdale,WA. USA |
posted 14 December 2004 04:22 PM
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Was that Jerry Douglas????. It's been so long since I've seen him I guess he just didn't look the same. No wonder than. Jerry is in my opinion the best ever. |
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Rick McDuffie Member From: Smithfield, North Carolina, USA |
posted 14 December 2004 07:13 PM
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Shania is a bonafide international crossover star; Allison and US's market is much smaller. I imagine that, when Shania signed on to do the show, she and Mutt saw to it that it was done on THEIR terms. I don't blame them- I'd watch out for my own interests, too. I also expect that Allison and US were honored to be on the bill. It's great exposure for them. While they may be revered by bluegrass and traditional country people, I expect they would like to cut a wider swath. |
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Andy Greatrix Member From: Edmonton Alberta |
posted 14 December 2004 11:21 PM
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I suspect that they were well paid for doing the gig with Shania. Shania has paid a lot of dues since she was very young. I'm from Timmins also, (Porkupine, which is now part of Timmins)and I played the same toilets she worked up from. She is also very original. (So is Allison) |
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Jeff Lampert Member From: queens, new york city |
posted 17 December 2004 02:21 PM
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I understand how everyone likes Allison Krauss. She sings fastastic and has wonderful musicians. Unfortunately, a lot of the time that and $1.50 gets you a cup of coffee. However, I think Shania is terrific. Her first album has cool tunes like "Any Man Of Mine", "Whose Bed Have Your Boots Been Under", and "If You're Not In It For Love", all with very unique arrangements and astounding production. In many ways, Shania's production is far more original that Allison's. Also, the huge cross market appeal only helps steel players. I don't understand how us bashing a good performer like Shania who has consistently over the years used steel in much of her productions helps our cause. This seems to be a repeating theme. The performers that most put the steel in the public eye (Randolph, Shania, etc,) are the ones most criticized by us steel players. ------------------ |
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Herb Steiner Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX |
posted 17 December 2004 02:41 PM
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Robert Randolph is another star that doesn't look like Minnie Pearl or sing like Kitty Wells, again to the detriment of his career here in Forumland. ------------------ |
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David L. Donald Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand |
posted 18 December 2004 02:03 AM
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Not trashing Shania, just likin' Alison more. [This message was edited by David L. Donald on 18 December 2004 at 04:22 AM.] |
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Herb Steiner Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX |
posted 18 December 2004 06:08 AM
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quote: Jeff, I'm sure if either added "A Way To Survive" to their repertoires, the tide of Forum Opinion would turn in a heartbeat. ------------------ |
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Jeff Lampert Member From: queens, new york city |
posted 18 December 2004 08:10 AM
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David, you said good things about Shania and are about as open-minded as anyone. However, there were seveal others who were critical of her. Listen, everyone is certainly entitled to dislike anyone they choose. I'm just saying that some of these performers actually do a lot for the visibility of the steel. Just a little perspective, that's all. One thing about Shania's tunes that not everyone relates to is that they are "fun" tunes. She doesn't tend to have emotional or serious messages, but rather a light and fun style. There is a tremendous emphasis on the production, but not in a way to disguise her voice. Rather, the production has very inventive, exciting touches that you don't find in any kind of pop music. I give her and Lange tremendous credit for NOT following the typical path but rather taking chances with how they deliver Shania's sound. Everyone should listen to the song "If You're Not In It For Love". IMO, it is an absolutely fabulous song with amazing arrangement flourishes and is completely unclassifiable. Bluesy, country, pop, whatever. I will admit that I think her first albun and earliest stuff was the best. ------------------ |
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Rick McDuffie Member From: Smithfield, North Carolina, USA |
posted 18 December 2004 02:11 PM
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I like "You Win My Love". It's probably my favorite of her songs. Nice lyrical hook, musically interesting and good singing. Rick |
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Herb Steiner Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX |
posted 18 December 2004 03:36 PM
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My favorite Shania song was co-written by my friend Billy Graham, of Nashville and Brownwood TX, entitled "There Goes the Neighborhood." Great country song. ------------------ |
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Stephen Gambrell Member From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA |
posted 18 December 2004 06:01 PM
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Just as the country purists don't care much for Shania, a lot of hardcore 'grassers don't listen to Alison. I like to hear her get her teeth into something, like the old Bad Company song, "Oh Atlanta." But after about six or seven of those "my man left" songs, and I wanna hear Larry Sparks kick one. BTW, why do we need this thread, which is turning into a Shania vs. Alison beauty contest, or the thread about the sexy women of country music? |
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Travis Bernhardt Member From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada |
posted 18 December 2004 09:19 PM
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Here's a ditto for the "Oh Atlanta" comment. I think Allison is fantastic, but I do wish she'd get a little dirtier now and again. -Travis |
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David L. Donald Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand |
posted 19 December 2004 01:16 AM
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Stephen, when men stop looking at women... they are dead... it's in our basic physiologic/gender make up, like it or not. [This message was edited by David L. Donald on 19 December 2004 at 01:17 AM.] |
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Bob Wood Member From: Campbell, California, USA |
posted 19 December 2004 10:41 PM
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Hey? Is it just me, or does Allison seem to get more beautiful as she gets older?? Bob |
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Lefty Member From: Grayson, Ga. |
posted 20 December 2004 01:08 AM
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Stephen: How many ugly girls do you see on CMT these days? Unfortunate reality. The original thread was about disappointment (mine) that the "Up Close" show lacked any Union Station covers by Shania, or Allison Krauss singing lead on any Shania songs. Not really a living room jam show, but a very slick production. Maybe it was just not feasible. Lefty |
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Travis Bernhardt Member From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada |
posted 20 December 2004 04:22 AM
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Just had a funny thought, when you mentioned covering each other's songs. Can you imagine Allison Krauss singing That Don't Impress Me Much, or Shania singing Down in the River to Pray? I think the results would be cringeworthy, but also fascinating... -Travis |
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