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Pat Burns Member From: Branchville, N.J. USA |
![]() I saw the topic about George's new CD, which has "She Stopped Loving Her Today" on it, and it got me to thinking...that song is considered by many to be one of, if not the best country song ever written, full of pathos and unrequited love. Now, don't get me wrong, I love George Jones' singing as much as anybody, nobody sings or turns a phrase better than George...but I guess I must be a cynic, because when I hear that song, I don't hear a song about a pure undying love...I hear a song about a pathetic compulsive alcoholic who refuses to move on, poring over old love letters and occasionaly going half-crazy, which I assume means going on a drunken bender over it...sitting around by himself after work, drinking himself into an early grave. I understand that that's what makes it a country song..otherwise it would be a pop tune...I guess I'd just like the all-time best country tune to be a little more uplifting. And I can't help myself..I always see George grinning and doing those talking lines in the song like this... "You know she came to see him one last time [This message was edited by Pat Burns on 10 October 2005 at 01:47 PM.] |
Jon Light Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
![]() I'm always amused by how people revere this song. Oh, I love it, don't get me wrong. But it's about as 'country' as zipadee doo dah. And yes--it's a song about a total loser. A sick pathetic guy that sits at home alone drinking, probably plotting to stalk the woman who was smart enough to get the hell out while she still could. "You know she came to see him one last time |
Dave Mudgett Member From: Central Pennsylvania, USA |
![]() I dunno, fellas. I've known plenty of emphatically non-loser guys who got seriously derailed by a woman leaving. I guess we never know till we walk in their shoes. The actual lyrics in this tune, and the way George sings them, paint a very different picture in my mind. If this ain't country music, I guess I just don't know anything about it. |
Jim Cohen Member From: Philadelphia, PA |
![]() I dunno either. I just re-read all the lyrics and I don't see anything that necessarily refers to going on a drinking binge, home alone or otherwise. Methinks that perception may be in the eye of the beer-holder... ![]() |
Walter Stettner Member From: Vienna, Austria |
![]() Something different on the topic: The song remained in the can for several months because neither George nor producer Billy Sherrill were satisfied with the original result. Several months later George redid the recitation in the middle, and only then the song was released. It went to #1 in th charts and won CMA "Single Of The Year". Kind Regards, Walter |
Jon Light Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
![]() Guilty as charged----of grossly exaggerating the pathos to suit my point. But sincerely, from the first time I heard the song 'til now, for me, the song paints the picture I describe above. Never seemed sad. Just weird. And hey--I've been there. Had it bad. Got over it. Moved on. |
Jon Light Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
![]() Walter--perhaps you can shed some truth----I read one biography that pretty much said that George did not want to do this song that Sherrill brought to him. Thought it was too sappy. It was at a time when Sherrill was trying to reinvent George and resurrect his career--George didn't fancy himself a melodramatic ballad singer. But he went ahead and did it and sure enough, it started the next great phase in his career, really well suited to a voice that was mellowing. On the other hand I have read stories that were completely at odds with this. So I have no idea what is the truth. [This message was edited by Jon Light on 09 October 2005 at 12:31 PM.] |
Larry Strawn Member From: Golden Valley, Arizona, USA |
![]() I've also read where George didn't want to do the song, said it was to sad no one would buy it,,,imagine that, a country song that is sad!! LOL.. ------------------ |
Charles Davidson Member From: Alabama, USA |
![]() This song explains a situation that millions of men [and women]have been in.It tells the cold hard facts of life.what's wrong with the truth?This is real life not silly bubblegum crap.I'm glad George did this song,I can't think of anyone else that could have done it justice. |
Don Benoit Member From: Okanagan Falls, BC |
![]() I love all of George's songs. Too bad that the band members don't do the takes on the released CD's. No one can do the original steel licks like Tom Killen can. ------------------ |
Steve Hinson Member From: Hendersonville Tn USA |
![]() George didn't like the song...bet Sherrill a hundred bucks it wouldn't be a hit...kept trying to sing the lyrics to the tune of"Help Me Make it Thru the Night"...everything turned out OK though... ------------------ |
Donny Hinson Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A. |
![]() "He stopped lovin' her today. She wrecked his brand-new Chevrolet. They had to tow the thing away, Yeah, he stopped lovin' her today!" I did goofy "re-writes" long before Weird Al Yankovic. (Ever think maybe she was the lush? |
Craig A Davidson Member From: Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA |
![]() There is nothing in the song about a pathetic drunk pining for his girl. She doesn't die and in fact she comes to visit him before they bury him. To me he has always loved her and does until the day he dies. I know people like that. My grandma loved my grandpa very much and after he died she just kind of gave up on life. She only ever had about five drinks in her 90 years. I have also heard of people who died and their spouses laid right down next to them and died too. [This message was edited by Craig A Davidson on 09 October 2005 at 07:09 PM.] |
Sonny Priddy Member From: Elizabethtown, Kentucky, USA |
![]() Useing GOD'S Name In Vane Didn't Help It Eather. SONNY. ------------------ |
Paul King Member From: Gainesville, Texas, USA |
![]() Larry brought up a point about George Jones not wanting to sing the song becasue it was too sad. I saw the interview and George did say that but he also said he was glad he was wrong. Imagine that, an artist being wrong about a song. |
Pat Burns Member From: Branchville, N.J. USA |
![]() ..sorry, Craig..there's a difference between pining for someone you've been married to and spent your life with, and pining for someone who turned you down to the point where, as the song says, he went half crazy sometimes.. Jon Light has it right...the song should have been called "He Stopped Stalking Her Today"... |
Erv Niehaus Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA |
![]() Perfect country western song? Does David Allan Coe come to mind? Duh! ![]() |
Theresa Galbraith Member From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA |
![]() Using the Lords name in vain is VERY uncalled for. [This message was edited by Theresa Galbraith on 10 October 2005 at 07:14 AM.] |
Dave Mudgett Member From: Central Pennsylvania, USA |
![]() quote: There's absolutely nothing in the song about stalking. To stalk is to actively go after someone. Not one word or implication about that here, IMO. Quite to the contrary, this tune paints a pathetic soul who simply couldn't go on. You're free to extrapolate as you see fit - some jilted lovers do stalk - but it seems to me you're making a stretch here. I think the differences in view here are cultural and religious. The modern "well-adjusted" ethos is to simply "get over it and move on". Great if it works, but it doesn't for everybody, especially if a long-term marriage is at issue. Some people say "forever" and mean it. I know and have known people like that. Calling them stalkers doesn't make it so. IMO. |
Ron Page Member From: Cincinnati, OH USA |
![]() I think it's a great song and this thread is a good indicator or that. It paints a picture, or rather a visual framwork and lets the listener fill in the details with their own impressions or conclusions. You have to admit that the first time you ever heard it you thought this is great... here's a guy who's got it together and is moving on. Then George sang about the wreath upon his door, and you said, oh, wait a minute... ------------------ |
Pat Burns Member From: Branchville, N.J. USA |
![]() quote: ...right you are, Theresa...I edited the original post. ...and Ron, I think you're right in that it's a well written song that doesn't spell it out for you...a well written song lets you fill in the blanks. You're right, this song does, as evidenced by the different interpretations of the same lyrics. [This message was edited by Pat Burns on 10 October 2005 at 08:07 AM.] |
Dave Mudgett Member From: Central Pennsylvania, USA |
![]() quote: Yes, this is precisely why I think it's better not to directly incorporate specific tags like "drunk" or "stalker". Of course, people can and will fill in additional details from their own personal experience. That is a big part of what makes this such a great song, and universally identifiable to so many people. This is much like impressionist vs. realist paintings. Would we alter a Monet or Renoir with a photographically detailed section? Unfortunately, this is a trend in modern music - to go after target niche audiences by hitting simplistic hot-button issues. To me, this is one of the main distinguishing differences between 'classic' and 'modern' country music. My favorite example is "That Ain't My Truck". Now there's a universal concept (and Pat, look at the lyrics on that one - there's a song about an actual stalker). |
Pat Burns Member From: Branchville, N.J. USA |
![]() ![]() Clint Black in "Nothin' But The Tail Lights" mumbling to himself about what he's gonna do when "I find that pickup truck"... ...Little Sister in "That's the Night That The Lights Went Out in Georgia"... ...but the ultimate stalker song is the old pop standard, "Two Silhouettes on the Shade"...let me in or else I'll beat down your door! [This message was edited by Pat Burns on 10 October 2005 at 10:08 AM.] |
Erv Niehaus Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA |
![]() I think the ultimate stalker song is the one by old Garth where the trucker comes home, finds his wife gone and then drives his Petercar throught the motel wall. Now, that's industrial strength stalking! |
Ray Minich Member From: Limestone, New York, USA |
![]() Still ain't as sad as "Farewell Party". |
Ron Page Member From: Cincinnati, OH USA |
![]() There's another song that wasn't as big of a hit as "He Stopped Loving Her Today", or "Farwell Party", but I think it surpasses them in morbidity. It's Merle Haggard's "Wake Up (don't just lay there)". It doesn't leave a lot of the picture unpainted. (I'm going from memory, perhaps the song wasn't actually written by Merle but I think it's on his "The Way I Am" album.) ------------------ PS: "Wake Up" lyrics are here [This message was edited by Ron Page on 10 October 2005 at 01:10 PM.] [This message was edited by Ron Page on 10 October 2005 at 01:12 PM.] [This message was edited by Ron Page on 10 October 2005 at 01:18 PM.] |
Jim Cohen Member From: Philadelphia, PA |
![]() Ron, I just googled up the lyrics to that one and all I can say is: Eeeuuuuw! Creepy! |
Craig A Davidson Member From: Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA |
![]() Ron you must have one of those perfect marriages. To me Wake Up sounds more like the wife that turns over and refuses to talk to the husband no matter what he says. I have been there and it is just like the song says. She is like cold granite stone. If you have one of those kissy.kissy. marriages where you never fight then you have probably never experienced it. I on the other hand, have. It is just like it says. Anyway that must be why we are left to draw our own conclusions. All the songs mentioned in this thread are that way. They are true country songs, and to me a lot better than some of the stuff I hear these days. They are songs to listen to when you are down and your heart is broke and the Jim Beam bottle is almost empty. |
Ernie Renn Member From: Brainerd, Minnesota USA |
![]() In "Wake Up", it never occurred to me that she was dead and he was looking at her saying, Wake up! That is creepy! I agree with Craig, I think it was about his wife laying there like he wasn't there. Actually, I think he may have written it about Leona. ------------------ |
Erv Niehaus Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA |
![]() "Wake up, Irene, you've slept too long. Wake up, Irene or folks will think you're dead." |
Ron Page Member From: Cincinnati, OH USA |
![]() I only ever looked at "Wake Up" as a lament about a sweetheart lying in wake (of death). I took the lines like "...you've closed the final door" and "...gone away for good" quite literally, although I see now one wouldn't have to. I think the literal interpretation makes the song more unique. Otherwise, it's like "Is It Cold In Here (or is it just you)" or "Shelly's Winter Love". ------------------ [This message was edited by Ron Page on 11 October 2005 at 08:32 AM.] |
Kenny Burford Member From: Lexington, Missouri USA |
![]() Bobby Braddock’s and Curly Putman's song, "He Stopped Loving Her Today" is a testament to these two great songwriter’s outstanding writing ability. Couple that with the outstanding singing ability of George Jones, plus the session’s musicians Pete Drake on steel guitar, Phil Baugh on lead guitar, Jerry Carrigan on drums, Henry Sztrleke on bass, Ray Edenton on rhythm, Pig Robbins on piano, and my source thinks it was Buddy Spicher on fiddle, and you have just formulated a song good enough to be only one of two songs ever to be selected Song of the Year by the CMA. The melody to “He Stopped Loving Her Today,” is so simple that it’s great, the chord progress is 1, 4, 5 and its only change is a half step modulation. The first verse sets up the story, the second tells of hope, the third details that hope and verse four provides closure. Wrapping thirty years of the main character’s life into four verses and the fifth verse dedicated to the story teller, yet the song is not wordy and provided sufficient room for a melodic fills by a lead instrument. Plus, the tempo made it a perfect “Belly Rubber,” which can make for a big turn out on the dance floor. The song was simple to learn, so it was covered by a lot of local bands who added it to their play list and when you put all of those things together you have a song that last, and last, and last. I am curious, how many Top 40 Songs on country music radio in the past year can match Braddock’s and Putman’s song “He Stopped Loving Her Today?” |
Walter Stettner Member From: Vienna, Austria |
![]() Great post, Kenny, thanks for that! ![]() Kind Regards, Walter |
pix1 Member From: WESCOSVILLE,PA,U.S.A. |
![]() Adult Music With Adult Themes. That's country music. Robbie Bossert |
Fred Jack Member From: Bay City Texas |
![]() Graet post Kenny.I've been sitting here thinking how to say something and you nailed it!How can anyone look history in the face and say "it ain't so" or "it didn't happen" or something similar.The music this past few years is definately not my choice.Garth,Clint,Tim,and so many others have yet to do one I like.Yet for me to say that it is no good would be a stupid remark.All one has to do is look at statistics.Sales,performances,movies,books etc and etc. "Somebodies" surely must like them even if I don't.I also have several friends that are recording on these sessions so I would not tell them I didn't appreciate their efforts.She Stopped was a very good song!The stats have already been named. As for "Wake Up" thats another darn good song.I find nothing in that song that resembles her being dead.Am I missing something? Regards, Fred |
Lem Smith Member From: Fulton, MS. U.S.A. |
![]() He stopped livin' here today, she threw his rear right out the door. Soon the law will carry him away, He stopped livin' here today. Donny, you aren't the only writer here! Lem [This message was edited by Lem Smith on 13 October 2005 at 10:28 PM.] |
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