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Michael Garnett
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From: Fort Worth, TX

posted 03 December 2005 07:07 PM     profile     
Heh. Just looked up from dinner and saw Reba doing her "three favorite" Barbara Mandrell songs. Somebody tell the poor girl to keep her mouth in front of the microphone when she's "singing."

-MG

JW Day
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From: Elizabethtown, Kentucky, USA

posted 04 December 2005 06:18 AM     profile     
AMEN BROTHER
Bruce Bouton
Member

From: Nash. Tn USA

posted 05 December 2005 05:07 PM     profile     
Dude
For your information I was on that show. Reba was absolutely not Lip Syncin.Neither was Trisha Yearwood. I recorded both tracks. Both these girls happen to be country artists that can sing!
Bruce Bouton
Chubby Howard
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From: Franklin, Ohio, USA

posted 05 December 2005 05:17 PM     profile     
Bruce, I thought they both sounded great, Reba always does BUT man did Thrisha sound good on you lied she really sounded country and she can really sing. Hope your doing good you play so great and tasteful I would love to have you on my steel guitar show next year.your friend Chubby Howard
Ron Scott
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From: Flushing, Michigan, USA

posted 05 December 2005 06:31 PM     profile     
Thank you Bruce..RS

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Chris Schlotzhauer
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From: Colleyville, Tx. USA

posted 05 December 2005 06:46 PM     profile     
Wanna get away?
Dale Thomas
Member

From: West Branch, IA

posted 05 December 2005 10:09 PM     profile     
Reba, for several years, has been doing this unusual jaw motion on her vowels that may cause some to think she's
not quite in sync. I don't know why she does it, maybe someone told her she needed to soften her Oklahoma accent at the end of some words. I still love her singing.
Tony Prior
Member

From: Charlotte NC

posted 06 December 2005 01:10 AM     profile     
well that pretty much 'splains it Lucy...

I watched the Reba 20 song show on CMT, she's a hoot...

BobbeSeymour
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From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 06 December 2005 08:14 AM     profile     
Bruce, I remember a TV show where YOU were playing Dobro, your notes were going up while your left hand was going down, it was pretty obvious that if you were on the original track, you were pantomiming what you did, (or shall we say, instrumental "lip syncing").
I know also for a fact that Reba does some live shows using some tracks, ala "Nilli Vanilli". Her back up voices and horn tracks aren't live on several of her shows.
Sometimes its pretty obvious when the "lip syncing" is going on.
I'm sure there is a logical explanation why this player started this thread, all I know is, Reba does have a history of using pre-recorded tracks live, along with a history of "over-dubbing" to fix mistakes on TV appearances. As do some musicians, at times.

Bobbe

[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 06 December 2005 at 08:16 AM.]

Jeremy Moyers
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From: Atlanta GA/ Nashville TN

posted 06 December 2005 08:51 AM     profile     
I do not know of many big acts out there today that are not using tracks of some sort. ALOT of groups use them for acoustic guitar, strings sections, horns, percussion, BG Vocals, etc. That does not bother me a bit an does not make them "milli vanilli". What bothers me to see is when acts such as Keith Urban or Sara Evans having prominant parts, such as a steel kick off, canned. You hear this big steel kick-off but no steel player on stage.

i also know from experience that you are "asked" to "play along with pre-recorded tracks" on tv by the producers of the show because of many technical reasons. (limited inputs, etc.) Often it is out of the hands of the artist rather or not the band is playing live or not. It is, if you want to do the show, here is what must happen."

It is part of the business end of this thing we call the music business.

[This message was edited by Jeremy Moyers on 06 December 2005 at 08:56 AM.]

[This message was edited by Jeremy Moyers on 06 December 2005 at 08:57 AM.]

Smiley Roberts
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From: Hendersonville,Tn. 37075

posted 06 December 2005 09:36 AM     profile     
REBA'S LIPS ARE SINKIN'???

I didn't even realize that she had plastic surgery!!!

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Michael Garnett
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From: Fort Worth, TX

posted 06 December 2005 10:05 AM     profile     
Thanks, Smiley!

Bruce, I don't know what happened at the venue, whether or not her voice was in the monitor mix or even on front-of-house. All's I know is the voice that was coming out of my teevee was not coming out of her mouth. I'm not trying to diminish her ability as a singer.

-MG

BobbeSeymour
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From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 06 December 2005 11:45 AM     profile     
Jeremy, yep! True,

Sorry about my spelling on Milli Vanilli, I'm not that familiar with that group.

I also have nothing against this "fixing parts later", better than letting a bad part go,

I think every one really cares about quality first, I know I do. If it needs to be "Lip sunk", then do it. If a musician can fix a part later, I think he should.

Bobbe

Stu Schulman
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From: anchorage,alaska

posted 06 December 2005 08:00 PM     profile     
I wonder if she's lipsyncin on her sitcom?
BobbeSeymour
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From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 06 December 2005 08:04 PM     profile     
Ask Bruce, he was there,
David L. Donald
Member

From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

posted 06 December 2005 08:08 PM     profile     
Sometimes video to audio sync
can go out of sync.

Sometimes singers have MUCH bigger voices than the monitors can handle
and they pull back from the mic a lot more than others.
And occasionally move their mouth while NOT singing with the mic farther way that usual.

Combine these two scenarios, and you have someone appearing to sing when there is no sound.
Or not singing when there is, because the audio or video is delayed.

Ben Slaughter
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From: Madera, California

posted 06 December 2005 08:46 PM     profile     
I watched the performance, and would tend to agree with David's analysis. Looked like Reba was working the mic, kind of like using the volume pedal.
BobbeSeymour
Member

From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 06 December 2005 08:56 PM     profile     
On her TV show?
Bruce Bouton
Member

From: Nash. Tn USA

posted 06 December 2005 10:43 PM     profile     
i'm always amazed that there is at least one person that want's to to stir ****. i'm even more amazed that I bother to respond.
Sometimes we are asked to do pre records for TV shows. The ACM's are one example. We had to do pre records for Reba and Tricia but both gal's did live vocals. As far as what we play in concert it's all live. No tracks. If anyone doubts her or our ability to play live check out strippedmusic.com and see what we did one morning in the studio. No fixes, just live to tape. Bobbe. keep an eye on my left hand .
BB
Charles Davidson
Member

From: Alabama, USA

posted 06 December 2005 10:44 PM     profile     
Barney Fife,started this lipsyncin trend when he was soloing in the Mayberry choir with Andy's magic mike.
John Drury
Member

From: Gallatin, Tn USA

posted 07 December 2005 03:41 AM     profile     
Bobbe,

This is Reba and I backstage at the opry about 1983, way back then I suggested lip synching with her, but she wouldn't hear of it! LMAO!

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Howard Tate
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From: Leesville, Louisiana, USA

posted 07 December 2005 06:07 AM     profile     
Some times a singer is using a small concealed wireless mike, and the one on the stand is for show. I would never doubt Bruce. If it's a show where the singer is dancing all over the stage and getting out of breath, the lip syncing may be the only way to go.

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David L. Donald
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From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

posted 07 December 2005 07:22 AM     profile     
Bruce I for one have no doubts of what you say.

She can sing, and you pick live when you say you do.
You are a top level pro and I have no reason to doubt you.

Video is a strange world compared to simple music.
Both as productions and as acts are expected to work.

Hook Moore
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From: South Charleston,West Virginia

posted 07 December 2005 11:17 AM     profile     
I appreciate your comments Bruce, don`t give up on us.
Hook

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Curt Langston
Member

From: ***In the shadows of Tulsa at Bixby, USA***

posted 07 December 2005 12:11 PM     profile     
quote:
Looked like Reba was working the mic, kind of like using the volume pedal.
Indeed! Anybody who knows anything about vocalizing , knows that you have to pull away from the mic. on louder, higher notes, and draw in close on the lower, softer notes...........BTW Bruce, isn't it amazing how some people who are not actually recording, seem to have all the answers? Some of them are still trying to ride on their faded, or worn out reputation!.....Keep up the good work Bruce, you are an inspiration.

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Michael Garnett
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From: Fort Worth, TX

posted 07 December 2005 12:44 PM     profile     
Actually, I'm sorry I brought it up. I didn't intend for this to become some professional pi$$ing contest. If you watched the show, you'd have heard the volume and tone of her voice remain exactly the same as her mouth travelled over 6 inches away from a dynamic microphone. More than once her mouth passed from right to left in front of the microphone and there was no volume change at all. She obviously wasn't belting anything out, so unless there was a monster compressor on her mic, I don't see how there wouldn't have been some volume drop.

I like your quote, Curt. I'd appreciate it if you'd respect my opinions as well. I care about this stuff, it's what I want to do for a living. That's why I said something in the first place. But please don't make some veiled disparaging remark about my not knowing anything about recording. I might not have a hundred recording sessions under my belt, might not have a gold record hanging on the wall, but we've all got to start somewhere.

Curt Langston
Member

From: ***In the shadows of Tulsa at Bixby, USA***

posted 07 December 2005 01:28 PM     profile     
quote:
BTW Bruce, isn't it amazing how some people who are not actually recording, seem to have all the answers? Some of them are still trying to ride on their faded, or worn out reputation!.....Keep up the good work Bruce, you are an inspiration.

Michael, this was not intended for you. It was in response to another person's smart remark.
Lee Baucum
Member

From: McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) - The Final Frontier

posted 07 December 2005 01:34 PM     profile     
I just wish I had a faded, or worn out reputation to ride on!
Charlie McDonald
Member

From: Lubbock, Texas, USA

posted 07 December 2005 02:25 PM     profile     
Gee, Michael, you just got started and you already have a worn out reputation. You must be doing something right.
Reba does move her mouth funny on TV. Unfortunately, it doesn't make the show funny.

Keep that place on your wall for your first gold; you'll get one.

Charles French
Member

From: Ms.

posted 07 December 2005 05:13 PM     profile     
Hey, I was on that show too, I cued up the tape machine because neither of them gals can sing, especially country!

Edit, jes cause you from the country don't mean you can sing country.

[This message was edited by Charles French on 07 December 2005 at 05:14 PM.]

Eric West
Member

From: Portland, Oregon, USA

posted 07 December 2005 08:13 PM     profile     
Howard hit apon a possible answer, and I've seen it done thataway. some singers don't feel right without having a mike to sing into, with technology they can now use a stage mike as a prop.

Also Reba is a singer's singer, and if she wanted to do what was reported, I'd bet she could. She's been singing "big time" for thirty years, and not just in sterile studio settings.

As far as who does "it", and when?

If people "in the show" say things about they shouldn't, they'll lose their jobs, and they wouldn't want to do that, now would they?

Duh..

I remember asking about the steel part in BM's "Hot Wired" and had to figure out myself that it was tuned faster in the studio, from A to Bb, and probably then some...

I was indeed, born at night....

EJL

[This message was edited by Eric West on 07 December 2005 at 08:16 PM.]

David L. Donald
Member

From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

posted 08 December 2005 02:27 AM     profile     
I've worked with singers who need much more than 6 inches back to not distort a small system.

Odeta for one, she had to pull PAST 1 foot not to thrash the sound system at the Museum of Fine Art in NYC.
And she did it VERY smooth too.
6 inches is not that much for a singer with a big voice.

Someone with such a huge dynamic range is Justin Trevino.

Michael Johnstone
Member

From: Sylmar,Ca. USA

posted 08 December 2005 09:24 AM     profile     
I did a taped and later televised concert with Jim Lauterdale and Buddy Miller a number of years ago here in L.A. which was switched live to tape. That means guy in a remote truck who may or may not know a steel from shinola was making real-time split second decisions as to which of 4 cameras was going on a single video tape recorder. When it aired I realized they had covered my steel with an overhead crane camera and cut away to another camera right as I started the solo on "King of Broken Hearts". They eventually got a camera back on me before the end of the solo,but in the time between the concert and when it was shown,they lifted a piece of footage of me playing from another song and edited it in to the missed shot. When the closeup was shown,my hands activity had nothing to do with the solo being played and I was wrongly accused of tomfoolery by a few other players who saw it. When I tried to explain it,they all said "yeah right" and figured I'd blown the solo and had to fix the audio after the fact or that somehow I myself had monkeyed with the tape for some insideous reason. These criticisms most always come from guys who've never played on TV and have no idea of the technical aspects of it - and how much of it is out of our control. BTW,I've lip-synched and/or sidelined(which is what you call instrumental synching)on TV and in films lotsa times for all kinds of reasons. It's just something working musicians do sometimes. Get over it.
-MJ-
Peter Siegel
Member

From: Belmont, CA, USA

posted 08 December 2005 10:04 AM     profile     
"So who are you going to believe, me or your own two eyes?"

-Groucho Marx

Terry Edwards
Member

From: Layton, UT

posted 08 December 2005 10:22 AM     profile     
It's all a country music conspiracy thing.

Paul Franklin is playing on everything. They film other players behind a "blue screen" and digitally superimpose the image so we think there are other steel guitarists that get to play on TV. If you look real close you can probably see the digital artifacts around Bruce Bouton!!

I tell ya, it's a conspiracy!!


Terry

Charles French
Member

From: Ms.

posted 08 December 2005 10:39 AM     profile     
quote:
Also Reba is a singer's singer

Whose?

Lee Baucum
Member

From: McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) - The Final Frontier

posted 09 December 2005 07:54 PM     profile     
I just visited Reba's web site. She's got 30 albums out now, going back to 1977.

Not bad.

Howard Tate
Member

From: Leesville, Louisiana, USA

posted 09 December 2005 09:20 PM     profile     
Some body give Smiley a smack on the back of the head!!!
David L. Donald
Member

From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

posted 10 December 2005 07:38 AM     profile     
What Michael J,. said.

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