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Ed Altrichter
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From: Schroeder, Minnesota, USA

posted 01 February 2006 11:38 AM     profile     
I just bought a 23 song CD entitled "Gene Autry, Blues Singer" in which Gene Autry sings some of Jimmie Rodgers' songs as well as some of his own originals in a style that is in direct immitation of Jimmy Rodgers. It's fascinating, and I love the songs ! When I bought it I thought Gene's records may have been sort of a tribute to J.R.
But in reading the liner notes it says that his recordings directly under-cut Jimmy Rodgers' record sales by being offered at one-third the cost of Jimmie's. So it seems that Gene Autry got his start in show biz by "hi-jacking" Jimmy Rodgers' career !
So, my question is: has anyone here ever come across any comments that were made by Jimmy Rodgers about this, in any books or historical references, etc. ?
Gene Jones
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From: Oklahoma City, OK USA

posted 01 February 2006 12:01 PM     profile     
Not Jimmie Rogers, but it's in the same vein, about Smiley Burnett who was Gene Autry's comic sidekick (Frog Milhous)in the movies.........


"I always remember one of our Bill Mack shows at Craterville Park, Lawton, Oklahoma, where the ‘star’ appearing with us was Smiley Burnett, who had been the comic Frog Millhouse in the old Gene Autry movies. He was actually a very talented pianist and vocalist, and one of his numbers on the show was a medley of songs that he had written for the Gene Autry movies. During intermissions between shows he told us that he never received writers credit for those songs because he had an agreement with Autry to sell all the songs that he could write to
Autry for $5.00. Smiley thought it was a good deal at the time because in their early, lean years, they drove to personal appearances by automobile and he wrote those songs primarily for something to do to fill the time traveling. My childhood hero Gene Autry was apparently already becoming an astute business man, which is probably why he died a multi-millionaire.
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Mike Gross
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From: Fairfield, Connecticut, USA

posted 01 February 2006 01:31 PM     profile     
Ed,

Actually, Jimmie Rodgers died before Gene Autry's career took off to any degree and for this reason alone I would believe that Rodgers might not even have taken interest in what Autry was doing.

Gene,

You are right on the mark about that Smiley Burnette talent and songwriting ability. He wrote the beautiful "Riding Down the Canyon" for Gene and for a couple of bucks Gene got songwriters credit. However, a book can be written of other songs and composer's in that situation.

Ed Altrichter
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From: Schroeder, Minnesota, USA

posted 01 February 2006 01:45 PM     profile     
It says in the CD information that Gene Autry was recording Jimmy Rodgers songs as early as 1929. Jimmie was still active in his career until May, 1933 when he died in New York while making more recordings.They had simultanious careers.
Bob Hickish
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From: Port Ludlow, Washington, USA

posted 01 February 2006 03:12 PM     profile     
Here is a web site for his song books
http://www.smileyburnette.org/Smiley/index.html

Hick

Ed Altrichter
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From: Schroeder, Minnesota, USA

posted 01 February 2006 03:49 PM     profile     
Let's not get off point, folks; lookin' for comments by Jimmie Rodgers, here . . .
Mike Gross
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From: Fairfield, Connecticut, USA

posted 01 February 2006 04:32 PM     profile     
Ed,

Gene's Republic movie career didn't really take off until his first movie for them, "Tumbling Tumbleweeds" in 1935.

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Mike

Ray Montee
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From: Portland, OR, USA

posted 01 February 2006 05:11 PM     profile     
Smiley Burnette song?

A great one I'll not forget was: "Sitting tall as some dirty low down dog put glue on my saddle".......

Ed Altrichter
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From: Schroeder, Minnesota, USA

posted 01 February 2006 05:35 PM     profile     
I'm trying to learn if there is any record of Jimmie Rodgers ever making any comment regarding Gene Autry blatantly immitating his style and recording his songs and then undercutting his record sales with greatly reduced prices. This was fairly early on in Jimmie Rodgers' career (1929-1932) .
Alvin Blaine
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From: Sandy Valley, Nevada, USA

posted 02 February 2006 01:39 AM     profile     
Most folks think that Gene Autry's career started later than it did, because he was around for so long.
Gene actually went to New York City to audition for Victor Records before Jimmy Rodgers made his first recordings for them in August 1927.

Gene didn't think his audition went to well, so he headed back to Oklahoma and worked in a telegraph office. This is where Will Rogers heard him and told him to go back to New York and try again.
So in 1929 Gene returned to New York City where he cut his first record for Victor and went on to sign recording contract with American Record Corporaion ( a division of Columbia).
His first sesion was in December of '29, and his first major hit was just over a year later. That song was "That Silver-Haired Daddy of Mine" in 1932. In 1933 it became the first recording to be awarded "Gold Record" status for selling a million copies.

I have never heard anything about Gene "hi-jacking" Jimmy Rodgers career. They both started recording around the same time, and both were doing songs in the style of the current pop music.
Gene's records were cheeper than Jimmy's because Gene was on "American Record Corporaion"(a small Columbia sub label) and Jimmy was on Victor Records(the top label at the time). This was back before the labels used price-fixing tactics, so the small label sold records for less. I don't see it as any kind of competition or "hi-jacking".

That's like saying Alan Jackson got his start by "hi-jacking" George Strait's career. Just because they do the same kind of music and some of Alan's records are cheeper.
I say no way, it's just music not the Olympics!

Jason Odd
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From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 02 February 2006 06:35 AM     profile     
Gene was one of at least a dozen who cut in a Jimmie Rogers style around 1929, this kind of dropped off after 1930, Great Depressions can do that.

Unless Gene actually owned the label, then it's kind of unlikely that he had any say on under-cutting the singing brakeman, but hey.. if it's in a sleeve note it's gotta be true, huh?

Ed Altrichter
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From: Schroeder, Minnesota, USA

posted 02 February 2006 08:40 AM     profile     
Thanks for the opinions, but I really am interested in knowing if anyone has come across any comments that were made by Jimmie Rodgers, at the time. Ed
Steve Pacholl
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From: Minneapolis

posted 02 February 2006 04:28 PM     profile     
If there are any documented comments from Jimmie Rodgers in regards to Gene Autrey they would be found in Nolan Porterfield's book on Rodgers. I read the book a few years ago and at this time don't recall any specifics, but I do recall references to Gene Austin, who I believe Porterfield eluded to as being Jimmie's biggest competition.

Porterfield's book is is a very detailed account of Rodger's life and career. A good read if you really want to get into the nitty gritty about Rodgers.

Jeff Strouse
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From: Jacksonville, Florida, USA

posted 02 February 2006 07:45 PM     profile     
Unfortunately I can't answer your question Ed, but I'd like to chime in to say that many country music performers were influenced by Rodgers. Hank Snow and Ernest Tubb are two that come to mind. Hank always gave a plug to Jimmie Rodgers, and in fact in Hank's early recordings, he sounds more like Jimmie Rodgers than Hank Snow.

I'm curious of the steel guitar/dobro playing on that disc you have. Is there a lot of it? I ask this because Gene Autry did a delightful little version of "That Silver Haired Daddy of Mine" along with a guy named Jimmy Long, around that time frame (1931, mabye?), which had some tasty acoustic steel playing.

Ed Altrichter
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From: Schroeder, Minnesota, USA

posted 02 February 2006 11:21 PM     profile     
Jeff, Roy Smeck plays steel guitar on some of the songs and Frankie Marvin plays steel on some others.
"Silver Haired Daddy of Mine" is not on this CD, though. The name of this CD is: "Gene Autry, Blues Singer, 1929-1931". I like it a lot.
I know Jimmie Rodgers had admiring imitators,and I remember when Ernest Tubb would always play a J.R. song when he broadcast from his record shop. Mrs. Rodgers gave Ernest Jimmie's guitar after Jimmie's death, and E.T. would play it on his shows, until someone stole it off the stage. When Ernest discovered that it was missing the audience in the place where he was playing made a search of all the bars in the area and found it leaning against a bar stool. Ernest never played it in public after that.
Jimmy had several guitars, but Carrie said he prefered the Martin.
But now . . . the fact of someone recording Jimmie's songs and singing and yodeling like Jimmie, and then under-cutting Jimmie's record price has piqued my curiousity. I would like to know if there is any record of J.R. saying anything about it.
Steve Pacholl
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From: Minneapolis

posted 03 February 2006 07:32 AM     profile     
A few years back I recall seeing a vintage/antique advertising piece promoting some early Gene Autry recordings. I recall it saying. "A tribute to my friend Jimmie Rodgers." A fellow collector friend and I had a discussion about this piece and we both doubted that Gene was a "friend" of Jimmie Rodgers. We both recalled from the Porterfield book that there was no mention of Jimmie and Gene ever meeting. We speculated that this advertising piece was an early marketing attempt to boost Autry's record sales by falsely associating him with Rodgers.

Porterfield did discuss at length Jimmie meeting the Carter family and recording with them and the friendship that developed between Jimmie and Will Rogers.

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