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Ed Altrichter Member From: Schroeder, Minnesota, USA |
![]() I just bought a 23 song CD entitled "Gene Autry, Blues Singer" in which Gene Autry sings some of Jimmie Rodgers' songs as well as some of his own originals in a style that is in direct immitation of Jimmy Rodgers. It's fascinating, and I love the songs ! When I bought it I thought Gene's records may have been sort of a tribute to J.R. But in reading the liner notes it says that his recordings directly under-cut Jimmy Rodgers' record sales by being offered at one-third the cost of Jimmie's. So it seems that Gene Autry got his start in show biz by "hi-jacking" Jimmy Rodgers' career ! So, my question is: has anyone here ever come across any comments that were made by Jimmy Rodgers about this, in any books or historical references, etc. ? |
Gene Jones Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA |
![]() Not Jimmie Rogers, but it's in the same vein, about Smiley Burnett who was Gene Autry's comic sidekick (Frog Milhous)in the movies.........
[This message was edited by Gene Jones on 01 February 2006 at 12:03 PM.] |
Mike Gross Member From: Fairfield, Connecticut, USA |
![]() Ed, Actually, Jimmie Rodgers died before Gene Autry's career took off to any degree and for this reason alone I would believe that Rodgers might not even have taken interest in what Autry was doing. Gene, You are right on the mark about that Smiley Burnette talent and songwriting ability. He wrote the beautiful "Riding Down the Canyon" for Gene and for a couple of bucks Gene got songwriters credit. However, a book can be written of other songs and composer's in that situation. |
Ed Altrichter Member From: Schroeder, Minnesota, USA |
![]() It says in the CD information that Gene Autry was recording Jimmy Rodgers songs as early as 1929. Jimmie was still active in his career until May, 1933 when he died in New York while making more recordings.They had simultanious careers. |
Bob Hickish Member From: Port Ludlow, Washington, USA |
![]() Here is a web site for his song books http://www.smileyburnette.org/Smiley/index.html Hick |
Ed Altrichter Member From: Schroeder, Minnesota, USA |
![]() Let's not get off point, folks; lookin' for comments by Jimmie Rodgers, here . . . |
Mike Gross Member From: Fairfield, Connecticut, USA |
![]() Ed, Gene's Republic movie career didn't really take off until his first movie for them, "Tumbling Tumbleweeds" in 1935. ------------------ |
Ray Montee Member From: Portland, OR, USA |
![]() Smiley Burnette song? A great one I'll not forget was: "Sitting tall as some dirty low down dog put glue on my saddle"....... |
Ed Altrichter Member From: Schroeder, Minnesota, USA |
![]() I'm trying to learn if there is any record of Jimmie Rodgers ever making any comment regarding Gene Autry blatantly immitating his style and recording his songs and then undercutting his record sales with greatly reduced prices. This was fairly early on in Jimmie Rodgers' career (1929-1932) . |
Alvin Blaine Member From: Sandy Valley, Nevada, USA |
![]() Most folks think that Gene Autry's career started later than it did, because he was around for so long. Gene actually went to New York City to audition for Victor Records before Jimmy Rodgers made his first recordings for them in August 1927. Gene didn't think his audition went to well, so he headed back to Oklahoma and worked in a telegraph office. This is where Will Rogers heard him and told him to go back to New York and try again. I have never heard anything about Gene "hi-jacking" Jimmy Rodgers career. They both started recording around the same time, and both were doing songs in the style of the current pop music. That's like saying Alan Jackson got his start by "hi-jacking" George Strait's career. Just because they do the same kind of music and some of Alan's records are cheeper. |
Jason Odd Member From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia |
![]() Gene was one of at least a dozen who cut in a Jimmie Rogers style around 1929, this kind of dropped off after 1930, Great Depressions can do that. Unless Gene actually owned the label, then it's kind of unlikely that he had any say on under-cutting the singing brakeman, but hey.. if it's in a sleeve note it's gotta be true, huh? |
Ed Altrichter Member From: Schroeder, Minnesota, USA |
![]() Thanks for the opinions, but I really am interested in knowing if anyone has come across any comments that were made by Jimmie Rodgers, at the time. Ed |
Steve Pacholl Member From: Minneapolis |
![]() If there are any documented comments from Jimmie Rodgers in regards to Gene Autrey they would be found in Nolan Porterfield's book on Rodgers. I read the book a few years ago and at this time don't recall any specifics, but I do recall references to Gene Austin, who I believe Porterfield eluded to as being Jimmie's biggest competition. Porterfield's book is is a very detailed account of Rodger's life and career. A good read if you really want to get into the nitty gritty about Rodgers. |
Jeff Strouse Member From: Jacksonville, Florida, USA |
![]() Unfortunately I can't answer your question Ed, but I'd like to chime in to say that many country music performers were influenced by Rodgers. Hank Snow and Ernest Tubb are two that come to mind. Hank always gave a plug to Jimmie Rodgers, and in fact in Hank's early recordings, he sounds more like Jimmie Rodgers than Hank Snow. I'm curious of the steel guitar/dobro playing on that disc you have. Is there a lot of it? I ask this because Gene Autry did a delightful little version of "That Silver Haired Daddy of Mine" along with a guy named Jimmy Long, around that time frame (1931, mabye?), which had some tasty acoustic steel playing.
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Ed Altrichter Member From: Schroeder, Minnesota, USA |
![]() Jeff, Roy Smeck plays steel guitar on some of the songs and Frankie Marvin plays steel on some others. "Silver Haired Daddy of Mine" is not on this CD, though. The name of this CD is: "Gene Autry, Blues Singer, 1929-1931". I like it a lot. I know Jimmie Rodgers had admiring imitators,and I remember when Ernest Tubb would always play a J.R. song when he broadcast from his record shop. Mrs. Rodgers gave Ernest Jimmie's guitar after Jimmie's death, and E.T. would play it on his shows, until someone stole it off the stage. When Ernest discovered that it was missing the audience in the place where he was playing made a search of all the bars in the area and found it leaning against a bar stool. Ernest never played it in public after that. Jimmy had several guitars, but Carrie said he prefered the Martin. But now . . . the fact of someone recording Jimmie's songs and singing and yodeling like Jimmie, and then under-cutting Jimmie's record price has piqued my curiousity. I would like to know if there is any record of J.R. saying anything about it. |
Steve Pacholl Member From: Minneapolis |
![]() A few years back I recall seeing a vintage/antique advertising piece promoting some early Gene Autry recordings. I recall it saying. "A tribute to my friend Jimmie Rodgers." A fellow collector friend and I had a discussion about this piece and we both doubted that Gene was a "friend" of Jimmie Rodgers. We both recalled from the Porterfield book that there was no mention of Jimmie and Gene ever meeting. We speculated that this advertising piece was an early marketing attempt to boost Autry's record sales by falsely associating him with Rodgers. Porterfield did discuss at length Jimmie meeting the Carter family and recording with them and the friendship that developed between Jimmie and Will Rogers. |
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