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Stephen Gambrell
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From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA

posted 11 April 2006 07:19 PM     profile     
OK, what's the easiest way to get that thick polyurethane(or whatever it is) off the back of the (maple) neck of my MIJ Jerry Donahue Tele? I like the thickness of the neck, but my hand sticks to it when I sweat! I don't want to go the "pocketknife and pint of Maker's Mark" route, that I did with my old Martin, but I need some help.
SO HELP!!!
And THANKS!!!
Bill Hatcher
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From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 11 April 2006 07:54 PM     profile     
Sometimes the only way to get that stuff off is to sand it off. I have run into situations where no kind of paint stripper would break this stuff down. Remember that the finish is on there for a reason. you take it off and moisture starts to soak in and you can get in trouble real fast.
Jim Bob Sedgwick
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From: Clinton, Missouri USA

posted 11 April 2006 07:55 PM     profile     
Stephen, I am not familiar with your guitar, but I assume it has the satin finish neck. I don't like them either as my hand sticks. I use McGuire's auto polish and with about 3 coats, they will feel just like a slick neck. Repeat when necessary. Does not mess up the original finish and is a heck of a lot less work. Just a thought.
Michael Garnett
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From: Fort Worth, TX

posted 11 April 2006 08:47 PM     profile     
Maybe very fine steel wool?

Makers Mark and a pocketknife? Why waste good bourbon ruining a good guitar?

-MG

Per Berner
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From: Skövde, Sweden

posted 11 April 2006 11:06 PM     profile     
I built my main Tele in 1994 with just a light oil & wax finish on the neck, which I refresh every four years or so. No problems at all, and it feels absolutely great. Silky smooth and not the slightest bit sticky. So go ahead, sand it off!

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Dave Mudgett
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From: Central Pennsylvania, USA

posted 11 April 2006 11:51 PM     profile     
Steve, I'm with Jim Bob. Do it slowly. Polishing compound, and a buffing wheel - I have one just for that purpose. Gradually pull it off, to where it's just barely there. I've had pretty good luck with that.

Myself, I don't recommend taking it down to the bare wood. The problem with some of these new guitars is that the finish is so thick. But I don't like the absolute bare wood. Just a barely-there thin finish.

Of course, I prefer nitrocellulose lacquer, sprayed in just a few thin coats, then buffed out and sweated on for a few years. There's really no substitute for playing time, IMO.

Stephen Gambrell
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From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA

posted 12 April 2006 02:48 AM     profile     
"Makers Mark and a pocketknife? Why waste good bourbon ruining a good guitar?"

Michael, the bourbon was for me, and the guitar was a much better player after the scraping !
I agree, nothing feels better than a good, played-in, naturally-worn neck. But the goop on this Tele will still be here after the last cockroach survivor of a nuclear holocaust has died! Thanks for the help, fellers!!

Tony Prior
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From: Charlotte NC

posted 12 April 2006 03:55 AM     profile     
hey, bring it over to my house..
we can use the "Stone" wheel and the "Wire Brush " wheel..

I'm pretty certain we can get it off..

t

[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 12 April 2006 at 03:56 AM.]

David Mason
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From: Cambridge, MD, USA

posted 12 April 2006 04:02 AM     profile     
Warmoth won't honor the anti-warp warranty on their new necks unless you specifically finish them with some type of lacquer, nitrocellulose or polyurethane or varnish or something. An oil finish might feel good, but it won't prevent humidity from creeping in underneath it. Though, Warmoth does say that only about 10% of necks warp as a result of being unfinished or oil-finished.

Of course anything you do will void the warranty, but who wants to play a guitar that feels nasty to you? If you do go naked and it warps, you can always get another good neck for $160 or so. I would vote with the guys who advocate de-glazing or satinizing the gloss finish that's already on there (or glossing the satin finish, depending on what you don't like), personally I would just work it over with 600 grit wet/dry emory paper and see how that felt. You'd have to make sure to do a consistent, light, overall job, maybe even by taping off consecutive areas, counting strokes, and using something like a piece of a mouse pad as a sanding "block."

[This message was edited by David Mason on 12 April 2006 at 04:10 AM.]

Marlin Smoot
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From: Atlanta,Georgia, USA

posted 12 April 2006 07:49 AM     profile     
Before sanding, steel-wooling or any other method (all of which work) to make your JD neck slick...I would buy a replacement neck first to your specifications.

I would take the JD neck off the body, store it away and not mess with it in the event you want to return the JD it to its factory freshness.

Distroying the JD neck could cost more in decreasing the future value of your JD than the cost of buying a replacement neck.

My 2cents...
Good luck in your decision...

John De Maille
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From: Merrick,N.Y. U.S.A.

posted 12 April 2006 08:39 AM     profile     
I've used a product called "Circa 1850" furniture stripper, manufactured by "Swing Paint Products". I picked it up in a local paint store. I applied it with 0000 steel wool, with several applications, and the product is re-usable.
I've used it on many gun stocks, and my well worn Tele neck. It removes lacquer, shellac, and urethane without any harm or raising any grain. I finished my Tele neck with multiple sprayings of clear urethane and my gunstocks with multipe coats of "Birchwood Casey True Oil". Everything came out to perfection and I'm happy with the results.
ajm
Member

From: Los Angeles

posted 12 April 2006 12:44 PM     profile     
Stephen:

Just to be clear, is it:
a) a glossy shiny type of finish,
or
b) a more natural unfinished kind of finish?

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Artie McEwan

Stephen Gambrell
Member

From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA

posted 12 April 2006 01:53 PM     profile     
Artie, and others---It's that ultra-thick, ultra-glossy junk that Fender was using at the time. I have a new American Deluxe Tele, with the satin neck, that feels just fine. Another, MIM Tele, that's good to go. As far as the collectibility of the guitar, somebody's already removed the 5-way switch and associated electronics, and besides, I bought this sucker to PLAY, not to sell later on!
Donny Hinson
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From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.

posted 12 April 2006 02:05 PM     profile     
Scotchbrite "Superfine" oughta work! You don't have to remove all the finish, all you want to do is get rid of the gloss.
Marlin Smoot
Member

From: Atlanta,Georgia, USA

posted 12 April 2006 02:50 PM     profile     
FYI...
JD Tele's MIM are selling on ebay between $600 and $700. Almost $100 higher than American Teles. I would guess the future value of JD MIM Teles looks pretty good.

Its kinda funny how a decal on the headstock can make a regular guitar worth even more.
I can remember a time when we didn't think pre-CBS Tele's and Strat's were not worth much and many people re-painted, routed and did all kinds of other things to these guitars.

Now a pre 1960 Strat is over $25,000 and 50's Teles are reaching way past that depending on condition.

I guess because the MIJ Tele and Strats were made with the equipment sent from Fender California in the pre-CBS years has a factor on the quality of the MIJ guitars combined with the Japan master guitar builders. Aside for the age of the wood, you're really getting a vintage made instrument...sort of.

Roy Ayres
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From: Starke, Florida, USA

posted 12 April 2006 04:07 PM     profile     
If the sticky feel is the only problem, don't remove the old finish!

Get a spray can of SANDING SEALER and spray a few light coats on the back of the neck, allowing each coat to dry before applying the next coat. I repaired guitars professionally for several years, and I found this to be the cheapest and best method to get a "fast" neck. The sanding sealer will have a satin finish, but will allow your hand to slide easily. If you want it to be even less sticky, after the sanding sealer is thoroughly dry take very fine steel wool (8 zeros) and rub it lightly in the direction of the length of the neck.

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[This message was edited by Roy Ayres on 12 April 2006 at 04:08 PM.]

ajm
Member

From: Los Angeles

posted 12 April 2006 06:13 PM     profile     
Sort of what Donny and a few others have said. Use your gut instincts. I think you just want to scuff it up a little to take some of the gloss and shine off, but not actually remove the finish.

I have used Scotch sanding pads on one of my Strats. I think they're 150 and 320 grit. Go lightly whatever you use and check it as you go. You can also use some tape at the headstock and at the neck heel to make the scuffing more of a straight line and look more defined and "professional" if you want. (I guess a well worn and played vintage guitar isn't though, so do what you like.) Also, I don't think that you need to take the neck off of the guitar to do this. I know I didn't.

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Artie McEwan

Don Powalka
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From: Wisconsin, USA

posted 13 April 2006 08:38 PM     profile     
I have a mid 80's Tele that the finish crazed really bad on the neck. I called Fender about it and they said it was due to the fact that they could no longer use nitrocellulose laquer in their finishing operation due to emissions regulations for VOC's. At that time they were learning how to use the new water based finishes and it was creating problems for them. It is possible that the stickiness you are feeling in your guitar neck is due to the same problem. You can apply old fashoned nitro laquer yourself, but getting a comercial shop to do it will be a slim chance. I probably won't be long and nitro laquer and good varnish will no longer be available. I do woodworking and have tried water based varnish myself. It is almost impossible to apply with a brush as it dries too fast. I've done very nice work with oil based varnish and a foam brush. I think a HVLP gun with water based varnish or laquer would give you a good finish.

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