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Author | Topic: Where are new Gretsch guitars made? |
Stephen Gambrell Member From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA |
![]() I've heard Japan, and I've heard Korea. Anybody know where the new Gretsches are built? |
Larry Robbins Member From: Fort Edward, New York, USA |
![]() Saw a couple in a local music store a week or so ago. Salesman said they were made in Korea. Nothing like the older models, IMHO ![]() ------------------ [This message was edited by Larry Robbins on 14 May 2006 at 06:24 AM.] |
Gere Mullican Member From: LaVergne, Tennessee, USA |
![]() I bought a new Gretsch short scale bass at Guitar Center and it is made in China. |
Dave Mudgett Member From: Central Pennsylvania, USA |
![]() They have been made a number of different places. I believe the original reissues were made in Japan, with the "Historic Series" made in Korea. I have owned some of each. But there have been some US-made models - I believe the original Duane Eddy model (and possibly the original Brian Setzer model) was US-made. I would not be surprised to hear that some of the very low-line models are made in China at this point. The higher-end versions are more authentic reissues of the old guitars, but even some of the lower-end guitars are pretty good. I had a Korean-made Historic Series Synchromatic with DeArmonds and gold Bigsby that was really excellent, and made a good gigging rockabilly axe for about $700 street price. As far as the quality goes, I think the high quality Japanese reissues are excellent guitars. Quite a few 50s and 60s Gretsches passed through my store, and I think the quality of those new ones is comparable, if not better, especially in the neck joint area. It is hard to find an old Gretsch that either doesn't need or hasn't had a neck reset, and the binding frequently crumbles. My main playing Gretsch these days is a Japan-made reissue 6120W, and it's a much more suitable stage instrument than the old ones I have owned. It plays great, sounds like an old Gretsch, and the build quality is more solid, IMO. This is not to take anything away from the old ones - properly set up and serviced, they are great - but the good new ones are also fine guitars. As always, IMO. |
Jack Stoner Sysop From: Inverness, Florida |
![]() I had a PX6120 Chet Atkins model that I bought new in 61 from Wray's Music in Lemoyne, Pa. I sold it in 85 and after traveling all over the world with it, the guitar was still in excellent condition and no neck problems. The white case with the leather binding was in bad shape = but the case did it's job. I've played a couple of the reissues at Sam Ash and Guitar Center and they look like the originals but didn't feel or sound like my old 61. However, I always used the Gretsch Chet Atkins strings (in the round plastic container) that were a heavier string and had a wound 3rd. They are using lighter gauge strings on the reissues. |
Tony Prior Member From: Charlotte NC |
![]() I bought a new Tennessean from Manny's (48th street) in the mid 60's.. it had a neck issue and had to be sent to Brooklyn for a FIX it....I believe they re-seated it.. t |
Dave Mudgett Member From: Central Pennsylvania, USA |
![]() Yes, the strings do make a huge difference. Practically any guitar sold to a rock market these days is set up with .010-0.046 or lighter strings. IMO, this is not the way to get the classic Gretsch tone. I also use heavier strings, with a wound 3rd, often flatwound. Certainly, some of the old necks didn't move, but I'd estimate that 60-70% of the old ones I came across either needed or had a neck set at some point. It's hard to know whether that was player abuse or something systematic in the construction, but this issue comes up frequently in discussions of old Gretsches. |
Larry Clark Member From: Herndon, VA. |
![]() At least some of the Gretch guitars are made by Peerless. http://www.peerlessguitar.com/html/english/company.htm [This message was edited by Larry Clark on 14 May 2006 at 09:05 AM.] |
Joe Alterio Member From: Fishers, Indiana |
![]() Almost all new Gretsch electric guitars are made at the Terada factory in Japan. The Electromatic (budget) Gretsch guitars are made in Korea. |
Donny Hinson Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A. |
![]() quote: Is that where the "Country Gentlemens" and "White Falcons" are made? No wonder I'm seeing them now for $199 dollars at the local pawn shop! |
Kevin Hatton Member From: Amherst, N.Y. |
![]() I own a Japanese 6118 Cadillac Green Double Anniversary reissue. My friend owns a 58 original. I looked at a few originals and then looked at the reissues. Both my friend and I agree that the reissues are a FAR superior guitar in construction than the originals. The Filtertron pickups are original specs and the guitar sounds typicaly Gretsch. Donny, if you ever see a reissue White Falcon in a pawn shop for $199.00 please tell me immediately and I will pay you $100.00 finder fee no questions asked. [This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 14 May 2006 at 07:15 PM.] |
Jerry Erickson Member From: Atlanta,IL 61723 |
![]() There are custom shop guitars that are made in the US. The Electromatics are made in Korea and the pricey models are made in Japan by Ibanez. A friend of mine used to work at Ax-In-Hand in DeKalb,IL. He's seen plenty of old Gretsch's and he thought that the new ones wrer built better. [This message was edited by Jerry Erickson on 14 May 2006 at 09:53 PM.] |
Mike Perlowin Member From: Los Angeles CA |
![]() This is a little off topic, but I currently own a Baldwin era Country Gent, the one with the real F holes. In the past I've owned "real' older Gretsches made at the Brooklyn factory. Without a doubt, the Baldwin guitar is better than the older ones. For a while I had both the Baldwin, and a '67 and could compare them. I kept the Baldwin and sold the older one. Now that Fender owns Gretsch, I assume that the quality of the newer guitars is at least as good as the originals, if not better. What's important is not WHERE the guitar is made, but HOW WELL. ------------------ |
Roger Rettig Member From: NAPLES, FL |
![]() There's little question that the old Gretsches had some 'quality issues'. The trouble was that they were such 'eye candy', some of us younger rock'n'roll enthusiasts couldn't resist them. I desperately wanted an orange 6120 - just like Duane Eddy's, Eddie Cochran's, or Chet's - but all I could stretch my budget to was a 'Jet Firebird'. The experiejnced guitar salesman urged me to spend whatever money I had on a Gibson (back then 165 Pounds Sterling would have bought me an ES-175) but I wouldn't listen. He pointed out the Gretsch's poor finish, unseasoned timber, and more, but it was in vain. Odd as it may seem, I knew he was right, but I took that Firebird home anyway. I bought a new 6120DSW recently - I could never get that unattained orange arch-top out of my head - and I can confirm that there's a major improvement in these current guitars over the 'originals'. I still feel like an idiot for spending all that money just for something I can stand in front of the mirror with, but at least I've crossed one item off my 'lifetime want list'! Now - about that Gibson L-5..... RR [This message was edited by Roger Rettig on 15 May 2006 at 03:54 AM.] |
CHIP FOSSA Member From: Monson, MA 01057 U.S.A. |
![]() I remember a friend had this beautiful 3/4 size deep orange Gretsch. It looked every bit like the classic Chet Atkins-style Gretsches [sp]. The weight and smaller size sure made it a gas to play. Sounded just as sweet as its bigger brothers, too. Does anyone know or seen or owned or heard of this 3/4 Getsch? Do they still make it? |
Gavin Dunn Member From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada |
![]() A guy from around here just picked up half a dozen of the new Gretches.....I've worked on alot of the older ones, and I agree with all who claim the superiority of the new. And I mean by far. Really I haven't had many guitars cooperate the way those Japanese Gretches did. Well worth it at any price. |
Stephen Gambrell Member From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA |
![]() "I still feel like an idiot for spending all that money just for something I can stand in front of the mirror with, but at least I've crossed one item off my 'lifetime want list'!" My thoughts EXACTLY, Roger! I need another guitar like a hole in the head, but Gretsches just got that LOOK! When I got a drop-dead price on the 6122, I decided to let the new roof go for a year. Hey, the old one only leaks when it rains |
Roger Rettig Member From: NAPLES, FL |
![]() ![]() Here I am, getting ready to play a 15-week gig 2,500 miles across the country, away from my wife, and away from my golf-course - in other words, needs must, as they say. The mortgage must be paid. It'll be fun when I get there but, right now, I don't want to leave on Thursday. And yet, and yet..... Do you know what I did today? I went to an exclusive Martin-only dealer right here in Naples and salivated over a brand new Martin 000-42 at $3400. I was really considering it for a while, then I left the store and the guitar's spell gradually evaporated. I will NEVER LEARN!!!!! |
Roger Rettig Member From: NAPLES, FL |
![]() ...and Stephen - you can't play a roof! Just know that you made the right choice. 'Deranged in Naples'..... [This message was edited by Roger Rettig on 15 May 2006 at 06:04 PM.] |
Rick McDuffie Member From: Smithfield, North Carolina, USA |
![]() The new japan-made Gretsches really are superb, and worlds better than the USA 60's guitars. If anyone knows where there is one for $199 in a pawn shop, please send the phone number of said pawn shop- I'll drive there tomorrow. Rick |
Dave Mudgett Member From: Central Pennsylvania, USA |
![]() Yeah, Gretsches have the LOOK, but they also have that "GREAT GRETSCH SOUND", IMO. That's not all hype - it's different than anything else. Sorta' like a bright red '57 ragtop Eldorado - it'll get you there, and in style. ![]() Ahh, what's a roof? A little tarpaper should get you through to next spring. I've done it. A buddy of mine is a Gretsch dealer - they just had a special deal, and it's good time to be looking. I've had to slap myself a couple of times. I have two great ones, one new, one old. Hey, Donny - I'll double your money on any $200 Gents and Falcons you find in decent shape. |
Jack Stoner Sysop From: Inverness, Florida |
![]() Since the new (reissue) models are setup for the lighter gauge strings, I wonder what heavy gauge strings will do the neck and top over time? I must have had a "good one", judging from the comments about the old ones. I left it sit, one time, for two years (working overseas) and didn't release the tension on the strings and it didn't do a thing to the neck - and that was with the heavy gauge Gretsch Chet Atkins strings. |
Dave Mudgett Member From: Central Pennsylvania, USA |
![]() Jack, from what I've seen, I think the new ones are much better equipped to handle the heavier strings. I have handled a bunch of each over the years, and for most of the ones I've seen, the tops on the new ones are just a hair thicker and the construction more solid. I believe the old guitars used hide glue. On the new ones, I believe stronger, more modern glues are used. Don't get me wrong - I like hide glue, and it has a number of advantages, like being able to easily break the joint to reset the neck, and so on. But I don't think it's as durable. Of course, we're not going to know precisely how the new guitars will fare in the same time frame as the old ones for some time. Still, I used to trepidatiously string up .012-.052 flatwounds on my '56 6120 or 59 6119 and hope that the neck joint didn't give - they literally creaked every time I restrung. The 6119 just flat out came loose, and I had to get it reset. With my new one, it's no issue at all - .013-.056? No problem, it barely even notices. The slightly thicker top also means less feedback issues at gig volumes. The top on my '56 was so thin that it was only useful for extremely low-volume gigs. Don't get me wrong, it sounded amazing at low volume, but the top vibrated like crazy on a rockabilly gig, and the DeArmonds squealed at a very annoying high pitch. That's why I consider the modern ones better practical stage guitars. I believe that the reason they're sold with smaller gauge strings is that most rock-oriented players don't like heavier strings, and that seems to be the primary market for these guitars. Same with Teles, Strats, and Les Pauls, but there's no problem putting heavier strings on those either. That 6120W of mine sounds fine with .010-.046, but it really starts to sound right with the heavier strings, to my tastes. |
Rick McDuffie Member From: Smithfield, North Carolina, USA |
![]() If you don't have Gretsch fever, watch the Brian Setzer Orchestra live DVD, from Japan. |
Joseph Carlson Member From: Sacramento, California, USA |
![]() I love mine. It's just too nice to take out to the bars I play at. Between the steel and the Gretsch, it's just too much $$$ to have sitting on the stage! ![]() On a side note, check this out from the Gretsch site: |
Mike Perlowin Member From: Los Angeles CA |
![]() Joseph, there's a Korean company called PEERLESS that makes inexpensive but very good Gretsch knock offs. You might consider picking up one of these for bar gigs. ------------------ [This message was edited by Mike Perlowin on 17 May 2006 at 01:54 PM.] |
Stephen Gambrell Member From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA |
![]() Well, I got mine today--A new 6122-1962, and it's absolutely GORGEOUS!!! Sounds like it cost more tha a thousand dollars, and it DID! The guitar was built in Japan, first-rate finish and attention to detail---And it's got "that sound." Joseph, that's a nice arsenal. Is that a Charlie Christian pickup in the neck of the Tele? And, IMO, after having seen the Peerless guitars, mostly under different brand names, I'd say there is NO comparison, other than looks, and then only from a distance. The Samick guitars are very nice, but some of them can run into a little bit of money! |
Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever |
![]() Guild is a product of Fender, Guild is manufactured in Rhode Island. It has been told to me that Gretsch guitars (top of the line) are being manufactured in Rhode Island as well. edit for spelling. [This message was edited by Jody Carver on 17 May 2006 at 04:05 PM.] |
Joe Alterio Member From: Fishers, Indiana |
![]() I hear what you guys are saying....I was entranced with the 1956 reissue 6120 (the 6120DS model from 2004) and was able to get one in cherry condition. Moreso, it was my friend's, an expert luthier, who proceeded to ensure all frets were perfectly level and that the guitar played perfect. It did! I loved how that guitar looked and I bought it from him. Every time I opened the case I smiled. BUT...when I took the guitar to the stage, the magic faded fast. For the music we play, the guitar just was not bright enough to cut across the mix. I was forced to sit on the bridge pickup with the tone full on every set I played. I was heartbroken, as I just couldn't justify the cost of the guitar if I couldn't use it on stage...no matter how beautiful it was (and it WAS!!!). So, I traded it for a new Tele (which sounds GREAT!) and I haven't looked back. Much. |
Roger Rettig Member From: NAPLES, FL |
![]() My sympathies, Joe - that's how I feel about my 6120DSW. I've had fun sending photos of me holding it to my guitar-buddies, but it doesn't work for me. Around the same time I acquired a new cherry-red Gibson 'Lucille' (I really wanted an ES-355, but Gibson, in their wisdom, have scrapped the 355 in favour of this BB King 'signature' guitar Now I've totally scotched any chance of selling the 6120 here on the Forum RR [This message was edited by Roger Rettig on 17 May 2006 at 06:41 PM.] |
Jerry Erickson Member From: Atlanta,IL 61723 |
![]() Jody, Guilds are now made in the Pacific NW in the same factory as Tacoma, as Fender now owns Tacoma guitars too. |
Jody Carver Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever |
![]() Jerry, Thank you, seems as though Fender owns the world.That was not Leo Fenders plan. Leo wanted to keep the original company as it was but illness forced him to have Don Randall offer the Fender company for sale, thus CBS with the Merril Lynch company made the deal. Thank you for the heads up. Jody |
Tony Prior Member From: Charlotte NC |
![]() take a look at these 3 Gretsches ..In action... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYZ50PjDTi8&search=buddy%20miles [This message was edited by Tony Prior on 18 May 2006 at 11:44 AM.] |
CHIP FOSSA Member From: Monson, MA 01057 U.S.A. |
![]() Just great Tony. That sure takes me back, and to a more comfortable place, too. |
Papa Joe Pollick Member From: Pontiac, Michigan, USA |
![]() Go to the "Musicians Friend" web site and do a search for the "White Falcon",then enlarge the pic.and scroll through the views.You'll see "Made in Japan" stamped on the back of the head stock.If I had 3 grand I'd get one.Uh Huh. |
Jack Stoner Sysop From: Inverness, Florida |
![]() Here's a BW picture of my old 61 Gretsch. It was taken around 1965. The band was the "Sonny Lee" band out of York Pa. The steel picker is Harry "Hap" Hatterer. As you can see I was "fluffy" back then. |
Rick McDuffie Member From: Smithfield, North Carolina, USA |
![]() Tony, thanks for that link brother. This is the classic "Deja Vu" lineup- with Dallas Taylor and Greg Reeves. The bass player is so young he looks like a chick. Is that a Gretsch 12-string that D. Crosby is playing?? It looks almost like an Epiphone, but I couldn't ever get a good look at it. I saw this show live, real-time on network TV. What was that guy's name- David Steinberg? This is one of the events that made me believe that I had to have a Gretsch. I had several (both vintage and Japanese models), sold them, and miss them now. But you can't keep them all, can you? Steve Stills is da man. [This message was edited by Rick McDuffie on 19 May 2006 at 09:38 AM.] |
Tony Prior Member From: Charlotte NC |
![]() Rick, can't say..considering the era..I doubt Crosby would have had an Epiphone. If you look at the body, it is the classic Gretsch design with the BIG volume knob down by the lower cutaway..The headstock is odd..but the body says classic Gretsch all the way..at least to me... Those guys were really into the Country Gentleman/ White Falcon thing... And..the Epiphones looked like Gibsons rather than Gretsches back then I believe...more 335ish. t |
Rick McDuffie Member From: Smithfield, North Carolina, USA |
![]() I don't think it's a Gretsch- look at the position markers. I predict that Bill Hatcher or Jim Phelps will know what it is. And I'll be interested to find out!! Cool clip, man. Thanks. |
Tony Prior Member From: Charlotte NC |
![]() Rick I researched all the Gretsch Guitars I could find in the many BIG BOUND BOOKS my wife has given me for Christmas thru the years.. I never found the Guitar Crosby is playing but I did find several Gretsches with the same fret markers.. Couldn't find it with Epi's or Gibsons either, not even close. I wonder if Gretsch didn't make him a Guitar because he was known to be such a 12 stringer ? The Headstock is really puzzling though,couldn't find anything like it.. PUPS look to be the DeArmond that Gretsch did use...sort of have that Humbucker look... but at the end of the day.. what the heck do I know....? Absolutley nuthin'.. [This message was edited by Tony Prior on 19 May 2006 at 01:53 PM.] [This message was edited by Tony Prior on 19 May 2006 at 03:36 PM.] |
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