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Gary Atkinson
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From: Arkansas, USA

posted 26 June 2006 12:24 PM     profile     
Exactly what is it that gives an old telecaster it's great bite?Is it pick-ups,pots or switch or all three?What can I do to my made in Mexico telly to get more bite?I can't buy an old one,they cost to much.
ajm
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From: Los Angeles

posted 26 June 2006 12:34 PM     profile     
1) Do the strings go through the body? I believe that this is a major part of the sound.

2) Does the bridge pickup have a metal plate on the bottom of it?

3) Put on some new strings. This will make any guitar sound better.

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Tay Joslin
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From: Memphis, Tennessee (formerly of Newbern, TN)

posted 26 June 2006 12:52 PM     profile     
This may be useless information for you, but I, too, own a Mexican-made Telecaster. New strings will do it justice, but I invested in a new amplifier (Fender Princeton 65 DSP with a big 12" speaker), and that made a world of difference. I can relate to being forced to settle for whatever my income will allow for, and I can appreciate that fact that small tips like that can be helpful. I look forward to reading other posts concerning this topic. GOOD LUCK!

Your truly,
Tay Joslin

Papa Joe Pollick
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From: Pontiac, Michigan, USA

posted 26 June 2006 12:59 PM     profile     
Mine is a MIM too..I scraped the last 1/8th in.off of the wiper on the tone pot,so it would be out of the circuit when cranked.I also installed a 4 way switch,that helps.
But it's still mostly in playing technique. PJ
Gary Atkinson
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From: Arkansas, USA

posted 26 June 2006 01:11 PM     profile     
I should have said mine is the deluxe model with 3 pick-ups and a 5 position switch,I've had it for several years and went through many sets of strings.I have a fender stage 112 amp.Oh,it is a string thru body.
Tony Prior
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From: Charlotte NC

posted 26 June 2006 01:39 PM     profile     
you may spend a bunch of money here with no success.

The closest thing to it is a 52 RI and even they are not exact, but they are closer.

The wire used in the PUPS, the wood, the bridge, the saddles , electronics , the whole deal..

The Mexican made Tele which is similar is the 50's classics..

The Guitar you have I believe is called the Nashville Tele. You may want to try a QUALITY vintage PUP in the bridge and see if that helps as all...

IF you can find an 82 thru 89 / 52 RI you will come across about the closest thing to one of the early Tele's as possible. I don't really know what they did in the 90's but the guitars were not consistent at all.

have fun

t

[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 26 June 2006 at 01:42 PM.]

Curtis Alford
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From: Texas, USA

posted 26 June 2006 01:54 PM     profile     
Change the P/U's to the TEX-MEX with a center strat Tex-MEX P/U go to a 1Meg volume pot. If money is a reason just change the pot and see the difference right away. The P/U's will make it a lot hotter.
Kenny Burford
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From: Lexington, Missouri USA

posted 26 June 2006 02:06 PM     profile     
The answer is simple, go to this really big building downtown where they keep all the money and tell them you want a loan to buy an American Telecaster. You will improve the bite you are looking for in your sound, you will employ a US Worker, who will have enough money to pay for a ticket to come out and hear you play on your great sounding US Made Telecaster.

Next question please. P.S. Cut the neck into on your Mexican Tele so someone else won't get stuck with it and have the same problem you are having with it.

Larry Robbins
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From: Fort Edward, New York, USA

posted 26 June 2006 05:14 PM     profile     
Try a set of Seymour Duncan Vintage Stacks.
STK-T3B for lead and a STK-T1N for rhythum.
Twang to the bone and no 60 cycle hum....
oh, and a Fender Twin couldn't hurt!

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Mark Eaton
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From: Windsor, Sonoma County, CA

posted 26 June 2006 06:06 PM     profile     
"buy an American Telecaster"

I've had some guys tell me that are much better guitarists than I'll ever be that if you want to get a contemporary version of a Tele that's a lot closer to Leo's originals from the 50's - buy a G & L version of a Tele (the ASAT) and forget about Fender all together.

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[This message was edited by Mark Eaton on 26 June 2006 at 06:11 PM.]

Mark Fasbender
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From: Salt Lake City,Utah

posted 27 June 2006 12:47 AM     profile     
Play it real snappy and with conviction,it will "bite" just fine. Dont use really light strings. Put some relief in the neck so it can breathe. Use 3 saddles.Get a fender tube amp. Get rid of any effects. If these are not realistic options just play it real snappy and with conviction and it will "bite" just fine.

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Gary Atkinson
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From: Arkansas, USA

posted 27 June 2006 06:59 AM     profile     
Thanks for all the info guys.I'll try another pick-up,if that don't help guess I'll do some swappin'.Gary
Keith Cordell
Member

From: Atlanta

posted 27 June 2006 08:54 AM     profile     
Check out Jason Lollar for pickups, he makes some great ones. One thing you might consider is raising the action. If the action is too low you lose a bit in terms of "spankiness" and tone.
Chris LeDrew
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From: Newfoundland, Canada

posted 27 June 2006 09:27 AM     profile     
Bring your tele to the best guitar tech in town and get the guitar set up properly, with some nice workable action. There is a lot of technique behind a biting sound. However, the action can be set properly to make this kind of sound easier to obtain. I recently had the neck set on my tele, and the feel is now a lot more conductive to pull-offs and double stops. There's nothing like a good tech to bring life back to an instrument.

I should mention that I have a Lindy Fralin rewind in my bridge, and it sounds really hot. A great bridge pickup does account for some of that hot tele picking you hear live and on recordings.

Michael Johnstone
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From: Sylmar,Ca. USA

posted 27 June 2006 09:40 AM     profile     
The Teles with the lightest bodies and stout necks w/maple fingerboards and big frets always have more spank no matter where they're made or what brand they are. Good pickups help(no humbuckers allowed)but don't get them too hot or it will bulk up the tone and it will sound like P-90s on a Les Paul Junior instead of a Tele. For aftermarket,I like an SD Duckbucker in neck position and something close to stock in bridge position.You don't need 3 pickups - then the Tele becomes a hardtail Strat. Play it thru a blackface Fender tube amp like a Deluxe,Tremolux,Super or Twin. G&L ASATs are definately better made than any Fender and sound just like Teles if you get a lightweight one like the semi-hollow one w/one F-hole - otherwise heavier swamp ash ASATs can get a little hi-fi(which I like)compared to the classic Don Rich chicken tone.YMMV
Marlin Smoot
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From: Atlanta,Georgia, USA

posted 27 June 2006 11:40 AM     profile     
Try picking harder...like you're mad at it.

Tube amp (Fender Twin) and my choice is the Kinman Broadcaster pickups. Oh, and get a high dollar cord like a George L which a lot of guys seem to like or Planet Waves, Monster...whatever you can get a hold of.
Maybe try a nice aftermarket maple neck.
If your Tele does not have an Alder body, or the real light swamp ash, consider getting one.

Little things make a difference as well as the big ones. I really like the idea of getting a loan at the bank and just get the best you can afford. If none of this works...get a Les Paul Custom.

Good luck on the endless quest for tone...

Ben Slaughter
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From: Madera, California

posted 27 June 2006 01:30 PM     profile     
A good compressor and a slapback delay can help.

But ultimately, and not to be a smart a$$, but the tone is in you hands.

Tony Prior
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From: Charlotte NC

posted 28 June 2006 03:01 AM     profile     
Michael writes;

The Teles with the lightest bodies and stout necks w/maple fingerboards and big frets always have more spank no matter where they're made or what brand they are. Good pickups help(no humbuckers allowed)but don't get them too hot or it will bulk up the tone.
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And I think he is totally correct...

I mentioned above the 82 thru 89 /52 RI's as those guitars are light, have very slick maple necks (7.5 round not V ) with medium jumbo's and not so HOT pups..

whatever the formula was for that series at that time was excellent..

I would only comment that I string up with 9's, and I would argue the case with anyone about whether the guitar can kick butt with 9's...

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Mark Vinbury
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From: N. Kingstown, Rhode Island, USA

posted 28 June 2006 05:53 AM     profile     
I'm finding that the height of the frets makes a difference to my ears.
New guitars I've bought always seem to have more definition and musical harmonics till the frets get worn.
It makes some sense since the frets are really acting as a nut and the down angle behind the nut is important.
D Schubert
Member

From: Columbia, MO, USA

posted 28 June 2006 08:58 AM     profile     
Features common to original 50's Teles, custom shop Nocasters, 52' RI models, and 50's Classic models made in Corona, Mexico...

ash body
maple neck, small radius fingerboard
three heavy bridge saddles, brass or steel
250K vol & tone pots
simplest circuitry, no added resistors & etc.
strings thru body, 4-bolt neck, etc.
single coil pickups, not heavily overwound

These things all provide the best vintage Tele twang, IMHO.

Don't let anybody tell you that the 3-saddle bridges won't intonate. You can bend the length adjustment screws slightly (old-school) or purchase ready-made compensated s saddles where the length adjustment hole is drilled at an angle to compensate for string gages (hi-tech). I like the brass saddles better, some guys like grooved or threaded steel for even more bite.

Deviations from this checklist can make your Tele more versatile for gigging, but may also subtract from the basic twang equation. Also, to reinforce what Mark said, it's important to play it loud and proud!

[This message was edited by D Schubert on 28 June 2006 at 08:59 AM.]

Larry Robbins
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From: Fort Edward, New York, USA

posted 28 June 2006 12:05 PM     profile     

Gotta love Em'!!

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Tony Prior
Member

From: Charlotte NC

posted 29 June 2006 01:15 AM     profile     
it'll never sell..

it's all a marketing ploy...

t

Earnest Bovine
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From: Los Angeles CA USA

posted 29 June 2006 08:40 AM     profile     
Iin the upper right hand corner did they black out "Broadcaster" and print "Telecaster" above the line?
Jim Walker
Member

From: Florida Panhandle

posted 02 July 2006 04:11 PM     profile     
I have been playing Telecasters since I was 10 years old. The one I have now is a stock 1997 American Standard with the factory installed Parsons/Green B-bender in it. I bought it New. I use Rotosound guitar strings 10 to 46. I play it through a Line 6 Flextone II 112. I got MEGA Bite! If you are in the first 3 rows of tables, my rig has the ability to chew your head off and twang you through the roof. I often get Tele players, Strat players, even the occasional Les Paul guy to come up and compliment me on my tone.

I have taken my guitar to jam sessions played it and let other players play it through their amps and effects and always get the same results. IT SOUNDS GREAT LIKE A TELE SHOULD.

In My Honest Opinion, You get what you pay for. If you want $400 worth of tone buy MIM. A couple hundred dollars worth of pick ups is not going to help that much. If you want $1200 worth of tone and be done with it, buy MADE IN USA.

And in the words of Forrest Gump, "Thayat's Awl I Have To Sayee About Thayat!


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Doug Beaumier
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From: Northampton, MA

posted 02 July 2006 05:25 PM     profile     
My '68 tele has a lot of snap & pop. I don't know why, but I suspect it's a combination of the pickups, the old 3-barrel Saddles, and of course "strings through body".

I love the way the tone control goes instantly from all-bass to all-treble. That's great for the boo-wah effect. I play this guitar and my '94 tele on a lot of gigs (and my '76 Emmons PSG too!)

The '94 tele has slightly more sustain than the '68, but not as much bite.


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[This message was edited by Doug Beaumier on 02 July 2006 at 10:37 PM.]

Chris Walke
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From: St Charles, IL

posted 08 July 2006 10:48 AM     profile     
I've got a MIM tele and it bites just fine. I play the bridge pickup, open the tone all the way up, and then back it down a bit to find the "sweet spot" - not too bright, but far from mellow.

Picking style helps. I use a flat pick, but also use my middle & ring fingers to pull the strings upward. When I release, that strings strike the neck and that's the "bite-y-est" tone I could ask for.

BTW - I play thru a Blues Jr.

Tim Harr
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From: East Peoria, Illinois

posted 09 July 2006 03:26 PM     profile     
Chris.. I drove through St Charles just today.... On my way home from a friends home in Woodstock...to my home in Bolingbrook. Small world, eh?

Tim

Dave Mudgett
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From: Central Pennsylvania, USA

posted 09 July 2006 05:26 PM     profile     
The notion of "bite" is extremely subjective, and there is a very wide variety of Tele lead pickup "bite", "twang", "snap", "pop", or whatever you want to call it. But I'll add my views to the pile here. I have been playing Teles a long time, and have owned literally dozens of them, and have played around with different body woods, neck and fingerboard woods, pickups, electronics, bridges, bridge saddles, nut, you name it. But take this for what it is - my opinion.

There are a lot of things which give the Tele its characteristic sound. I like a light body - it specifically does not sustain as much, and that is part of the characteristic sound I like. I have had both maple neck and rosewood fingerboard models that have "the sound". I prefer the classic 52-67 wiring, but I usually put a 1000 pF capacitor across the volume control, like on the post-1967 circuit. I've played so-called "top-loader" Teles that had plenty of snap, crackle and pop - I prefer the string-through-body design, but that's more for a bit more sustain - actually, I found the top-loaders real twangy.

But four very important features that make a big difference to me are:

1. Make sure the lead pickup base plate is ferrous. I strongly prefer the classic design with 2-to-a-saddle bridge saddles. To test it, see if a magnet is attracted to it. This has a huge effect on the pickup's magnetic field distribution, and affects the tone drastically, IMO. If yours is not magnetic, it's generally pretty easy to find a repro which is. If it's an old pre-80s Tele with 2-to-a-saddle bridges or a US made reissue, it should be if it's original.

2. Look at the bottom of the lead pickup. There should be a copper-coated plate. Again, this is a big part of the classic Tele lead pickup sound. Again, pre-80s Teles and US reissues should have this type of pickup, and good replacement pickups of this type are pretty easy to find - Duncan, Fralin, Fender, and others make them. Of course, they should not be overwound, as indicated earlier, but a light wind isn't enough for me.

3. I strongly prefer the traditional 2-to-a-saddle bridge saddles. There's something about that design that sounds unique, even apart from the ferrous bridge plates that generally seem to come with them.

4. Pay attention to string gauges. I usually prefer not too heavy on a Tele, although YMMV - that part is heavily affected by touch. But I think it's easier to get that "snap" with a bit lighter strings - I usually use .010-.046 sets, but sometimes use a .009-.042 set on certain Teles. Now, I do like heavier strings on Teles sometimes, but usually for more jazz-inflected tone.

Of course, playing style and attack are critical here. Compression and delay are nice, but not essential, IMO, for a good smap. It is possible to get a reasonable snap without these 4 elements present, but I think one gets a much better snap with them, coupled with a nice light resonant body and classic Tele neck, along with the classic pickup wiring.

Usual disclaimer - my opinions, YMMV, etc. Also, edited for two typos.

[This message was edited by Dave Mudgett on 09 July 2006 at 11:38 PM.]

Doug Beaumier
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From: Northampton, MA

posted 09 July 2006 10:02 PM     profile     
I agree Dave. It's primarily the bridge saddles and the pickups, and possibly the wood. The term "bite" is somewhat nebulous. One man's bite is another man's bark.

Some of my students have recent Mexican Teles and those Teles have a surprising amount of pop and snap, certainly more than the American Teles of the 1980's, as far as I can tell.

The mid-80s Fenders vary widely in tone and quality because in 1985 Fender Co. was sold, and the new owners started all over with nothing more than the patents and the plans. No building and No machines were included in the sale. So all 1985 and 1986 Fender guitars were imported from offshore manufacturers, from India, Korea, China, and eventually Mexico. As far as I know there were no American made Fender guitars in 1986 and '87. By '87/88 Fender had new facilities in the USA (and Mexico).

Nowadays a Fender Telecaster can be ...a $200 Squire, a Mexican, Highway 1, USA, a $2500 Custom Shop, etc.

[This message was edited by Doug Beaumier on 10 July 2006 at 01:11 AM.]

Chris Spencer
Member

From: Mt Juliet, Tennessee, USA

posted 13 July 2006 06:39 AM     profile     
Well I just put Kinman pickups in my 62RI from the early 80s. Plenty of bite in the bridge plus real smooth neck pickup. The best thing about them is they're totally quiet. Really, no hum no buzz. They're expensive but they work.
Chris Walke
Member

From: St Charles, IL

posted 15 July 2006 09:31 AM     profile     
Hi Tim -
hey, I have friends in Woodstock too! Hmm... AND, I've been to Bolingbrook somewhat recently. Played a gig at Ditka's Sportsdome in June (rock/pop cover band, no steel).

I live a little north of St charles these days, just haven't changed my profile. But it's more likely someone will recognize St Charles, IL than South Elgin, IL. S Elgin's practically St Charles anyway. Just less expensive.

Jody Carver
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From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever

posted 15 July 2006 09:48 AM     profile     
Leo Fender just loved the bite of a Telecaster,I used to tease him and call him a

"Treble Maker"

Gabriel Stutz
Member

From: Chicago, USA

posted 09 August 2006 02:39 PM     profile     
I'm putting in another vote for the G&L ASATs. They are amazing guitars, and I'd say you can come pretty close to that tele bite you're looking for, but you've got a lot more variety in tones available than a Fender tele. Besides that I think they feel like they are much better made guitars.I will never sell mine.

Gabriel

Buddy Carter
Member

From: Chicago, IL

posted 09 August 2006 07:06 PM     profile     
Heyya Tim.

Heyya Gabriel.

I was passing through and saw your names; thought I'd say hi.

My tele? A '96 Japanese "90's Tele Special" (I think that's what it's called). Combines vintage and modern pretty well. I believe it's alder string-through-body with a maple neck, ebony fretboard, and some sort of upgraded oem pickups. Sounds lie a tele.

Buddy

Michael Hartz
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From: Decorah, Iowa, USA

posted 09 August 2006 08:13 PM     profile     
My 68' tele has EMG tele active pickups in it. I've always used EMG's. They have an incredible amount of bite. Our lead player has 2 American standard Teles with aftermarket pickups in both and he still complains they don't sound as good as mine.

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